Those Anglicans that choose to take the similar approaches do. How wide and varied is your Anglican touring?
Yet how many would not dream of using that affectation in a million years? I rather suspect that this is of most recent innovation in Anglicanism itself. Among Evangelical Anglicans like Truro Anglicans…
How is confidence in Christ’s Church an insecurity? You must have some real confidence in your own ability to be a pope. Congrats, Jane. Good deal! To heck with Peter and the college of the apostolic succession, to heck with all those early fathers and ancient writings. You don’t need that stuff! You’re “secure!”Oh wow - your irony was almost lost on me. It was so subtle - like a piano falling on our heads.
Rawb asks a simple question and now we have to read the normal drivel of insecurities and pettiness towards the Anglican Church. I am not surprised to read this post, I have come to expect it.
Happy Advent!
Nice post, Simple. I agree
Don’t flatter yourself.How is confidence in Christ’s Church an insecurity? You must have some real confidence in your own ability to be a pope. Congrats, Jane. Good deal! To heck with Peter and the college of the apostolic succession, to heck with all those early fathers and ancient writings. You don’t need that stuff! You’re “secure!”
Heck, we can all watch Oprah to learn right and wrong, not listen to Benedict XVI or JP2! Those darn Catholics are just full of rules and regulations, right and wrong. It’s an inconvenient truth
So a person who sticks to a moral code and gets angry with themselves when they leave their moral code like I did, that’s insecurity?
Good vocabulary word with “drivel” though. I like that. “Blather” is another good one. I know that you’re ok with abortion, Jane. I bet you think being pro-life is “drivel.”
I don’t own a piano, but I do have a lot of guitars. My Fender Stratocaster is pretty heavy. That’d leave a mark if I dropped it on ya. But, Jane, I wouldn’t drop it on you! I know my irony was not lost on you. But I think the faith of the early church fathers and 1500 years of church development, theology, and teachings were.
Out of curiosity, do you read the history of the Church of England? Do you know, for example, about Cranmer, Ridley, Pole, Cromwell, Edward VI, Lady Jane Grey, the Elizabethan Settlement, the Matthew Parker controversy, the non-jurors, the interegnam period, the Oxford Movement, etc. Have you gone beyond Schiori’s “drivel” (I still like that word!) and back more than 50 years into Anglican history? Have you ever studied medievel Catholicism? I know SIA hasn’t, that’s for sure! You and he are starting to have a lot more in common. I do have to give props to GKC. That Anglican knows his stuff! Man, he’s bright. He’s also willing to concede much beauty in Catholicism. I respect that guy. I like his name, too! Sounds…Catholicky!
And again, after all the anger and fire, your “Happy Advent” means a lot, right back at ya…Happy Advent!
Don’t flatter myself about what? You cut and paste a giant post and just put that after it? LOL…I don’t flatter myself at all. I was the one who foolishly left Catholicism for Anglicanism and made the stupid choice to rebel against my own conscience. I was the one that tried to do what you regularly do and bash Catholicism for my own personal edification. I have nothing to flatter myself about. I just take pride in the Church I’ve turned my back on and I gain strength from being one with the Rock again and not being set adrift on a raft in a water of nuts like Rowan Williams, katharine Schiori, Spong, Tutu, and all those other nut jobs…Don’t flatter yourself.
100% wrong again, SIA. The Pedophelia story was a deliberate knowing false hype job on the ideal Catholic Church. The Problem was late 1960’s, 1970’s as result of the false hype By Media that Priests may be allowed to marry (Never such a thought), Non-clerical clothing OK, etc, Etc. False media Hype.
Stepbrother in Christ Emeraldcoast:If TEC is so bad, why did you go back? Must be something there you needed…
If we are a bunch of unrepentant sinners, why do you waste the skin on your fingers typing about it? Your post comes across as narrow-minded and prejudiced, which won’t convince any of us to change - why waste your time? [SIGN]If you need someone to tell you EXACTLY what to think and feel and EXACTLY how your own personal relationships with God and your spouse should be conducted, I guess you are in the right place. Who needs to really think about these things when Big Brother (Sisters aren’t holy/smart enough to count, it sounds like) can give you orders [/SIGN]like a parent with a child. I am happy for you - just don’t try to rain on my parade.
For my part, I tend to side with Shakespeare that you “…doth protest too much.” Don’t worry - we will welcome you back with open arms when you are ready.
Happy Advent!
Do you think 107 convictions out of over 250,000 Priests last 70 years is many? Really? Why???
Wow… Gurney is the pot calling the kettle black. And he says I am uncharitable!
There is something blatantly wrong with those statistics. One in three Protestant clergy abuse children? I doubt if all of the sexual dalliances of Protestant clergy combined (including fornication or adultery between consenting adults) runs that high. Check the source on this one, and the methodology for arriving at the figures. Sounds fishy to me.
Please read THe Source of that number, and what I wrote: ‘The top Treator of Protestant Clergy Sexual Abuses’ (Not child abuse, Sexual abuse) 6 years ago, A Psychologists/Psychiatrist Lutheran Minister/Priest, on the National Public Radio Kojo Knambe (Sic) One hour callin, late 2002.
Not a particularly recent innovation. Dates back to the period of the Tractarians, followed by the Ritualist movment. Say, 175 years, more or less.
Well your name says it all—universalist. Sounds like everything is ok with you already! But then again, that which we call a rose, by any other name…You make me sound angry but you use CAPS a lot lol…
I don’t have “venom,” universalist. I just am tired of Anglicans believing that truth is relative, that you can be Catholic without the responsibilities of being Catholic, that a sad political convenience for an overweight and angry king in the 16th century wanting a divorce is on a par with Orthodox and Roman Catholicism, and that there are multiple truths. Your post itself makes it clear that truth is not clearly defined and cannot be clearly defined, ever. A person who believes that Christ is not the Son of God and a person who does can be in the same congregation. A person who believes a baby is not a human life until it takes x amount of breaths and a pro-lifer can be in the same church. A person who believes in Eucharistic benediction and a person who throws the Eucharist to the doves in the park after “mass” can be in the same church? Remember “Bishop” Spong? The guy denied Jesus’ divinity! He was a horrific blasphemer but in Episcopal circles he commanded great respect and has written a slew of disgusting books. Hey, Universalist, it’s your salvation. I truly pray and am concerned about Anglicans. Forgive my lack of charity but I have to call a spade a spade. You’re following a church with no theology, no sense of truth, no legitimacy in orders, and a “tent” of contradictions. This isn’t the House of Representatives where deals are struck, this is CHRIST’S CHURCH. You make church sound like a Senate sub-committee where we can come to the table and negotiate our own Jesus. I disagree. See, I only used caps once!I’m not only uncharitable, O.S., I have VENOM according to Universalist! RRRRGGH HISS!Wow… Gurney is the pot calling the kettle black. And he says I am uncharitable!
Awesome point, Sailka. These folks bust out the pedophilia boloney when their back is against the wall. They attend a church with lady priests under a “big tent” of contradiction and heresy. When you call 'em on it, they bust out the old vocabulary bank: