What do Baptists believe?

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So your belief is that the Bible has errors that must be corrected by tradition? Interesting.
I did not say that Calgar. I thank you for not putting words in my mouth.
As Ketherine said the differences are enormous eps culturally, and I think you are interppretting most of my words from your own stubborn fundamentalist POV.

I really have nothing else to say to you.

Adios
 
Calgar…

On the side here, reflecting on your terminology or manner of relating to the Word of God…in Post 186…you mentioned another Christian who was blatantly misusing God’s Word…this is good and just…

I tend to see it as someone is ‘blatanting misusing Him in His Word…’, the Word also implying His Will…

I am simply addressing cultural and ecclesial differences in how we relate to God…

I see Scriptures as essentially in essence, Jesus Christ…
Kathleen how was I “blatantanly misusing Gods word”? Just curious. The sacred scriptures are God’s word.

Jesus is God’s Word, please read the first chapture of John.

Surely you don’t worship a book too?
 
The irony is he is cheering on SBCs whose concept of salvation is very different from both Catholic and Episcopal, while lumping all Episcopals (to whom Catholics do share a common view of salvation) together.
Sorry - here is my cheer for Episcopals fighting the good fight:

Go Episcopals who fight the good fight!

And booooo/hisss to those SBC congregants who have a different concept of salvation from the Catholic Church…!
 
Sorry - here is my cheer for Episcopals fighting the good fight:

Go Episcopals who fight the good fight!

And booooo/hisss to those SBC congregants who have a different concept of salvation from the Catholic Church…!
Hey!

😛
 
Calgar,

Most of the New Testament was preserved by oral Tradition long before it was written. Keep in mind the Apostles/Disciples “preached” the Gospel.

Here are a few passages to consider. There are many more that point to Tradition.

Corinthians 11:
1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. 2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:
14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the** traditions** that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

John 20:
30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book
. . .

Luke 1:
1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

John 21:
25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

Acts 8:

26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert place. 27 And he rose and went. And there was an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning, seated in his chariot, and he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:

“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he opens not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken away from the earth.”

34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.

Philippians 4:
9 What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

Tradition is inescapable. We all yield to it one way or the other. There is an abundance of modern tradition. Is there a TV Evangelist who doesn’t have a book out?

Peace to you, my friend, 🙂
Anna
Good stuff, Anna. If you haven’t subscribed to Catholic Answers magazine, I highly recommend it. There is an article in the May-June edition regarding Sola Scriptura.
 
Peer pressure!

Anyway, as you know Calgar, my view is that the SBC view on salvation isn’t very helpful (we know we’re saved because we’re saved), and that some of the details on the SBC doctrine of salvation is very consistent with Catholic Doctrine - as I explained in this thread on the concept of “inaugurated eschatology.”
 
Peer pressure!

Anyway, as you know Calgar, my view is that the SBC view on salvation isn’t very helpful (we know we’re saved because we’re saved), and that some of the details on the SBC doctrine of salvation is very consistent with Catholic Doctrine - as I explained in this thread on the concept of “inaugurated eschatology.”
Yes, but are our differences enough for us to hold each other in enmity? Or are our agreements enough for us to love each other and politely discuss our differences?

So far in this thread I’ve been told I’m on drugs, my marriage isn’t a marriage, i’m anti-catholic, I worship a book, AND I’m a stubborn fundamentalist.

I didn’t think I was stubborn…😛
 
Good stuff, Anna. If you haven’t subscribed to Catholic Answers magazine, I highly recommend it. There is an article in the May-June edition regarding Sola Scriptura.
Stew,

When my son was in grade school, he was into doing stunts on his bike. He was a little daredevil (so difficult for Moms-especially when he would come home with dents in his helmet). My son wanted a particular stunt bike. His dad was overseas at the time. Every time my son talked with his dad, he told him he really needed this new bike. His dad kept saying no; but my son never gave up. When his dad returned to the states, he bought the bike. I was rather surprised. When I asked him why, he said, “I heard I was buying the bike so many times I finally believed it.”

Guess I should be careful on this Catholic forum. 😉 If I hear something long enough, I might actually believe it and buy the bike (and by bike, I mean Catholicism.) 😃

Peace,
Anna
 
Stew,

When my son was in grade school, he was into doing stunts on his bike. He was a little daredevil (so difficult for Moms-especially when he would come home with dents in his helmet). My son wanted a particular stunt bike. His dad was overseas at the time. Every time my son talked with his dad, he told him he really needed this new bike. His dad kept saying no; but my son never gave up. When his dad returned to the states, he bought the bike. I was rather surprised. When I asked him why, he said, “I heard I was buying the bike so many times I finally believed it.”

Guess I should be careful on this Catholic forum. 😉 If I hear something long enough, I might actually believe it and buy the bike (and by bike, I mean Catholicism.) 😃

Peace,
Anna
Anna, I really do love your posts. So often you say what I’d been thinking but hadn’t posted yet. We could probably be good friends. 😃 I think you rock!
 
Anna, I really do love your posts. So often you say what I’d been thinking but hadn’t posted yet. We could probably be good friends. 😃 I think you rock!
Dear Anna - I’d like to be friends with your son’s dad! Please send me his contact info, I’ve got a list of “bikes” that I’d like to send him. 👍
 
Anna, I really do love your posts. So often you say what I’d been thinking but hadn’t posted yet. We could probably be good friends. 😃 I think you rock!
maltmom,
We probably could be good friends.

Glad someone thinks I “rock.” Most of the time, I feel more like the Frasier Crane character who decided to host a part for his “internet fan club”—only to discover there were only 3 members. 😃

Anna
 
Hi, I have read through a lot of these posts , Now I am presuming most Baptists arguing against Catholic positions, do something that is called an altar call something Catholics do 24/7 all over the world. The prophet Malachi speaks of this in Malachi.

Gotta go God Bless
Onenow 1:):coffee:
 
Most baptist I have met are really good people, and they accept other christians. However, I have always felt secretly they are trying for you to become baptist, and be more “bible focused”. They believer other christian denominations are not so “bible focused” as they are. They believe in salvation by faith, and sola scriptura.
 
Andrew…
I am refering to the post 186 and Calgar’s reference to a Methodist woman who blantantly disregarded God’s Word…

I still blatant disregard of Scripture as against Him…not text in Word…that is how I read into Calgar’s statement…Revelation in text form rather than our living relationship with God…
 
Hmmmm… I’ve been a Baptist or more than 40 years and I’ve never seen anyone kneel at an altar during services. Not once, not ever.

I have attended Catholic services and of course kneeling is part of the service. I respect the actions of Catholic services and would hope that Catholics would offer reciprical respect. I think most do.

Still, kneeling in front of a statue does lend itself to misunderstanding for a non Catholic. Respect for each others’ practices goes a long way.
 
Hmmmm… I’ve been a Baptist or more than 40 years and I’ve never seen anyone kneel at an altar during services. Not once, not ever.

I have attended Catholic services and of course kneeling is part of the service. I respect the actions of Catholic services and would hope that Catholics would offer reciprical respect. I think most do.

Still, kneeling in front of a statue does lend itself to misunderstanding for a non Catholic. Respect for each others’ practices goes a long way.
Hi ForeverGrace,

I think each of us view things according to our experiences. I grew up in Southern Baptist Churches in which coming forward and kneeling was not uncommon. SB’s do not have alters. The focus was usually on the pulpit and pastor, with the choir behind him—that is until contemporary Christian music became such a big part of Baptist services. Then the “stage” accommodated the singers in a different way than the traditional choirs.

Most of Christendom uses some type of “graven image” or Iconography. I have heard many Protestants speak disparagingly about the statues in Catholic Churches --calling them “idols.”

As Protestants speak against Catholic statues, they forget the cross necklace they are wearing–also a graven image. Then there is the Jesus fish–also very common among Protestants. And–the pictures of Christ hanging in Baptist Churches–a white, blue-eyed man with light brown hair, who bears no resemblance to a Jewish man at the time Jesus walked the earth.

As I posted earlier, on an Easter Sunday (a number of years ago,) I was sitting in a Protestant Church service with my son. A large wooden cross had been erected on stage for the service. There was a sort of reenactment on stage, during the service. At one point, a man on stage knelt before the cross. My son leaned over and whispered to me, “Mom, isn’t he kneeling before a graven image?” Tough question. The man was literally kneeling before a cross; and the cross was literally a graven image-an image created by man that didn’t even include Christ.

My point is that we must be careful about judging one another; and it is important to understand what the actions of Christians mean.

Is kneeing before a statue any different than kneeling before a large wooden cross?

Peace,
Anna
 
Still, kneeling in front of a statue does lend itself to misunderstanding for a non Catholic. Respect for each others’ practices goes a long way.
I understand that we need to be mindful of how we appear to others, but I think that just a little bit of education for the non-Catholic will easily solve any misunderstanding.

And I must admit that I do find it curious that non-Catholics are so quick to assume we’re idolizing a statue, yet will be quite accommodating to scenes like this, and not assume that these folks are idolizing a box of kleenex. 😛

 
As if anyone cared, my computer has been having delays… my response to Andrew was when I see someone having blatant disregard to the Word of God, I tend to transcend that and see that as disregarding Him, the Lord…the living Person rather than in text form…

But acknowledge Calgar’s respect and reverence for God’s Word, nevertheless…
 
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