What do Baptists believe?

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The OP asked if Baptists teach that Catholics worship statues.
I once heard a Catholic apologist say, "I think if you ask even the most un-catechized, lump-in-the-pew nominal Catholic, ‘See that statue of Mary over there in your church? Do you worship that?’, even this clueless, hapless person will answer, ‘Um…no…I don’t think so!’ "

So it’s curious to me how Catholics can get accused of worshipping statues when we don’t even know that we’re doing it.

How can someone worship and not know he’s worshipping?

That’s just :whacky:
 
But I agree about %100 percent with Catholic teachings, much more than Baptist.
It’s that “about” part that is the issue.

If you believe that even one sentence of the Bible is wrong, then how can you believe any of it?
I don’t believe that God wrote or dictated the bible to human robots.

I don’t belive the bible is without human (name removed by moderator)ut. And I don’t belive that God prevented the human authors from mistakes historical or scientific.

I belive that God inspired the bible, but did not dictate it. I belive that God gave his word to fallible humans.
Are you “tradition alone”?
 
I was involved in a SBC congregation in Ohio that was very fundamentalist. Maybe it varies according to location?
It could be. Honestly, I think we’re using different definitions.

I’m thinking of the actual fundamentalist denomination, others here seem to thinking of political views.
 
It could be. Honestly, I think we’re using different definitions.

I’m thinking of the actual fundamentalist denomination, others here seem to thinking of political views.
Yes I realized that after reading a few posts. I was talking about the American Fundamentalist Movement containing these “fundamentals”

The inerrancy of the Bible
The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding Christ’s miracles and the Creation account in Genesis.
The Virgin Birth of Christ
The bodily resurrection and physical return of Christ
The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross
 
Yes I realized that after reading a few posts. I was talking about the American Fundamentalist Movement containing these “fundamentals”

The inerrancy of the Bible
The literal nature of the Biblical accounts, especially regarding Christ’s miracles and the Creation account in Genesis.
The Virgin Birth of Christ
The bodily resurrection and physical return of Christ
The substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross
Southern Baptists have historically confessed with all true Christians everywhere belief in the Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the full deity and perfect humanity of Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, His sinless life, His substitutionary atonement for sins, His resurrection from the dead, His exaltation to the right hand of God, and His triumphal return, and we recognize that born again believers in the Lord Jesus Christ may be found in all Christian denominations.
 
Southern Baptists have historically confessed with all true Christians everywhere belief in the Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the full deity and perfect humanity of Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, His sinless life, His substitutionary atonement for sins, His resurrection from the dead, His exaltation to the right hand of God, and His triumphal return, and we recognize that born again believers in the Lord Jesus Christ may be found in all Christian denominations.
I notice that “God is love” is missing from this confession.

I would hope that this, too, is part of your profession of faith, yes?

And that we are to love one another? Is that also not something you believe?

And that God is the Creator of the Universe?

And that there is an immortal soul?
 
It’s that “about” part that is the issue.

If you believe that even one sentence of the Bible is wrong, then how can you believe any of it?

Are you “tradition alone”?
Holy Tradition much more important in Orthodoxy, helps us to understand

And no I’m not tradition alone, but niether am I “solo scriptura”.
 
It’s that “about” part that is the issue.

If you believe that even one sentence of the Bible is wrong, then how can you believe any of it?

Are you “tradition alone”?
Not literal is not the same as “mistakes”.
 
I pray that the SBC remains “conservative” over the life of its existence. Not in the political sense, but in the socio-theological sense. The Good Lord knows we do not need any more protestant denominations putting their stamp of approval on important social issues such as homosexual marriage, abortion, divorce, etc. (looking at you Episcopals)…

Fight the good fight SBC!
Stew,
Why is it that no matter what the thread topic is, Catholics seem to find a way to slip in a dig aimed at The Episcopal Church? Not all Episcopalians believe in homosexual marriage, abortion, etc.

Anna
 
Stew,
Why is it that no matter what the thread topic is, Catholics seem to find a way to slip in a dig aimed at The Episcopal Church? Not all Episcopalians believe in homosexual marriage, abortion, etc.

Anna
The irony is he is cheering on SBCs whose concept of salvation is very different from both Catholic and Episcopal, while lumping all Episcopals (to whom Catholics do share a common view of salvation) together.
 
The irony is he is cheering on SBCs whose concept of salvation is very different from both Catholic and Episcopal, while lumping all Episcopals (to whom Catholics do share a common view of salvation) together.
JustaServant,
Yes, we do share a common view of salvation. I appreciate your recognizing that. 🙂

Peace,
Anna
 
Southern Baptists have historically confessed with all true Christians everywhere belief in the Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the full deity and perfect humanity of Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, His sinless life, His substitutionary atonement for sins, His resurrection from the dead, His exaltation to the right hand of God, and His triumphal return, and we recognize that **born again believers **in the Lord Jesus Christ may be found in all Christian denominations.
Calgar,

You cannot speak for all Christianity. I must understand what it is you mean by

Substitionary atonement and born again believers.

In order to speak for all Christianity I must know what you percieve this to mean and how you define it.

What is a born again believer? How does one become born again? If it does not involve or is not mediated by Baptism then you speak only for Christians that are CredoBaptists.

What is your notion of substitionary atonement? Is it a Ransom, Substitution or Penal? If you subscribe to Penal substitution then you do not speak for all Christians.
 
He has done that consistantly since he has been here. He keeps inferring we are liars about what we experienced in Baptist churches. Believe me, I have left the worst stuff out. Only skimmed the surface.
Suffice to say it wasn’t “Mayberrry RFD”,
More like Mayberry LSD.
I am still waiting for an answer to this.

My own experience is that I returned to the Catholic Church (in fact, I am returning) with the help of fellow baptists without they actually knowing.

My personal experience is in the prayer section, but in short. I was born and raised Catholic, and I attended a Jesuit High School. I lost my path, and sinned terribly, even contemplated suicide because of my guilt due to my sins. I started reading the bible (during my lost days a fellow baptist friend gave me a NIV bible), and I started praying with my baptist friend. Later, I attended bible studies, and make friends with this fellowship. I attended spiritual retreats, and events with my new baptist fellowship. I also attended once a baptist Church. I saw the rock bands, and the worship. Unbeknownst to them, the whole experience drove me directly back to the Catholic Church.

At the moment, I attend my Catholic Church regularly, and I do meet with them to talk about God, and study the bible. I am glad to share my CC teachings with them.

Also, my baptist friends opinions of the RCC are that we are ritualistic, we worship mary, and the saints. That we worship idols. I remember once I was talking about how the bible does not mention much of Mary after the passion, but I remember a baptist friend say that “perhaps the apostles didn’t want people to worship her” (sort of attributing it to catholics). They see the rosaries, and others as rituals, and that we seek others besides God through the communion of saints. However, they do read St. Augustine, St. Francis of Assisi, and books by other saints. I think through me they are learning that Catholics are not like they think they are. In my opinion, they are great people, and I am happy to be an example of a Catholic among them.
 
Calgar…

On the side here, reflecting on your terminology or manner of relating to the Word of God…in Post 186…you mentioned another Christian who was blatantly misusing God’s Word…this is good and just…

I tend to see it as someone is ‘blatanting misusing Him in His Word…’, the Word also implying His Will…

I am simply addressing cultural and ecclesial differences in how we relate to God…

I see Scriptures as essentially in essence, Jesus Christ…
 
Holy Tradition much more important in Orthodoxy, helps us to understand
I don’t believe that God wrote or dictated the bible to human robots.

I don’t belive the bible is without human (name removed by moderator)ut. And I don’t belive that God prevented the human authors from mistakes historical or scientific.

I belive that God inspired the bible, but did not dictate it. I belive that God gave his word to fallible humans.
So your belief is that the Bible has errors that must be corrected by tradition? Interesting.
 
Calgar…

On the side here, reflecting on your terminology or manner of relating to the Word of God…in Post 186…you mentioned another Christian who was blatantly misusing God’s Word…this is good and just…

I tend to see it as someone is ‘blatanting misusing Him in His Word…’, the Word also implying His Will…

I am simply addressing cultural and ecclesial differences in how we relate to God…

I see Scriptures as essentially in essence, Jesus Christ…
It truly makes my blood run cold when I hear arguments like hers. To be specific we were discussing Romans 1:26-28.

She claimed that the Bible has been translated so many times, by so many people with agendas that you cannot take any of it literally. And that HER god (little g becaue she has invented her own) would never disallow someone to behave the way they were CREATED to behave.

When I began to ask her how she obtained her expertise on the transmission of the Bible her arguments began unraveling. It was a little after this that she basically put her fingers in her ears and began humming loudly. 🤷
 
Calgar,

is the bible written tradition?
That is a very interesting question. One I have not researched before.

A quick Bible search on tradition (aren’t computers grand? 🙂 ) brings up a few verses.

Mark 7:7-9 NIV

7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” 9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
 
Yes, I do recommend doing a research on this.

Ask yourself, What are the traditions described inside the bible?

2 Thessalonians 3:6
And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us.
 
That is a very interesting question. One I have not researched before.

A quick Bible search on tradition (aren’t computers grand? 🙂 ) brings up a few verses.

Mark 7:7-9 NIV

7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” 9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
Yes, I do recommend doing a research on this.

Ask yourself, What are the traditions described inside the bible?

2 Thessalonians 3:6
And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us.
Calgar,

Most of the New Testament was preserved by oral Tradition long before it was written. Keep in mind the Apostles/Disciples “preached” the Gospel.

Here are a few passages to consider. There are many more that point to Tradition.

Corinthians 11:
1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. 2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:
14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the** traditions** that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

John 20:
30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book
. . .

Luke 1:
1 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, 2 just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, 3 it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.

John 21:
25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.

Acts 8:

26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert place. 27 And he rose and went. And there was an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning, seated in his chariot, and he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:

“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he opens not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken away from the earth.”

34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.

Philippians 4:
9 What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

Tradition is inescapable. We all yield to it one way or the other. There is an abundance of modern tradition. Is there a TV Evangelist who doesn’t have a book out?

Peace to you, my friend, 🙂
Anna
 
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