What Do Catholics Not Respect Non-Catholics?

[MrS]

Hi MrS. Was there proof one way, or another that they DID or DIDN’T ask to be released from their vows? If not, we can’t judge either way, can we?

First, I would think that IF there was evidence that he was released, it would have surfaced in the last 500 years.

Second, Luther was one to “avoid” the importance of authority if his needs were not being met… no reason to accuse, but it was often his reason to do what he did.

 

[KingAlfred]

This is my response to the threads that go "Why do (non-Catholic group name here) hate Catholics? However, I refuse to use the word “hate” as I was raised to believe that we should do our best not to “hate” anyone and I find it’s lose use on this forum somewhat upsetting.

Having been both a Protestant and a Catholic and now being pretty much neither, I read the posts here from a less biased point of view than some and I see a alot of uncharitable behavior on both sides. However, many Catholics, usually the same ones who wonder why so many folks are anti-Catholic, appear to be very arrogant and disrepectful of the faiths of others. Belittling and sanctmonious behavior are not Christ-like, IMO. Nor do they make for dialogue. To assume that people who hold sincere beliefs that differ from your own need only to “try harder” and they would see things your way is indeed an insult.

Thoughts?

Man has fought and killed over religion from the beginning of his existence. He always will. Religious is all-important, and dangerously so.

 

[Peter_J]

Then please Peary, show everyone the way and take the lead, I encourage you to be the very first person to officially ignore me!

If you choose to continue to pay me attention…

Hi OTP,

Although I definitely disagree with you on a lot of things, so far I haven’t seen you say anything that makes me want to start ignoring you. (Granted, I haven’t read every single thing that you’ve posted.) So, personally, I would say “Keep 'em coming.”

I have very high self esteem and I assure you that any comments you make, will be as if water of my back.

Have a good one.

Sweet.

 

[peary]

Hello Onetimeposter -

Compromise is a good thing but not when it comes to the Truth. Does God evolve? I believe we must stand firm when dealing with matters of Faith and Morals. Just because millions might compromise and accept moral degeneration and sub-cultures doesn’t make it right.

I would hate it if my husband came along and said to me, “I have evolved so I am going to trade you in for a younger model”. His love is constant and evolves into a greater love. We evolve into a greater and closer relationship with God as we get to know Him. We believe in the absolute Truth of the Bible and Christianity. If that makes me an “Absolutist” then so be it!

Don’t be so angry OnetimePoster - have an open heart and mind.

I would like to recommend a book - “The Science Before Science” A guide to Thinking in the 21st Century by Anthony Rizzi. I would love to hear how you evolve after that. (Rizzi is a distinguished physicist who solved an 80 year problem in Einstein’s theory)

:tsktsk: :dts:

In addition, why not recommend the book “Catholicism for Dummies” by Kenneth Triglio, PhD, and John Brighenti Jr., PhD.?

 

[onetimeposter]

In addition, why not recommend the book “Catholicism for Dummies” by Kenneth Triglio, PhD, and John Brighenti Jr., PhD.?

Read it about 8 years ago. Don’t have it any longer, gave it to away in a good will donation ages ago.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

 

[peary]

**CATHOLICS DIFFER, SO DO PROTESTANTS
**

   What surprised me is that so few Catholics seem to accept the idea that they belong to the only one, true apostolic Church. Unfortunately, some Catholic media (e. g., EWTN) seem to promote a Catholic triumphalism that gives non-Catholics the impressive that Catholicism is intolerant. I've heard that telecasts like "Journey Home" grate on Protestants who would like a warm ecumenical relationship among Christians. If one group says they have the only authentic Christianity, the only valid communion, the only true Church, etc - as Benedict XI stated last summer - warm ecumenism is difficult to achieve.

It depends on who was polled. If you poll practicing Catholic Christians who love their Faith and the Church, you are going to get a radically different response than polling Catholics who only show up once or twice a year at Mass and don’t practice or hand on the Faith to their children at home.

 

[placido]

I do respect non-Catholics - and I am Catholic. That is the danger of generalisation.

 

[onetimeposter]

It depends on who was polled. If you poll practicing Catholic Christians who love their Faith and the Church, you are going to get a radically different response than polling Catholics who only show up once or twice a year at Mass and don’t practice or hand on the Faith to their children at home.

Funny that the Church never takes those one or two Masses a year to inform them all that they are committing grave sins by not attending weekly.

I wonder why that is?

 

[Pier]

Catholics aren’t taught to be disrespectful to anyone.

 

[Marc_Aupiais]

The church generally lets us figure it out in confirmation

the Tridine mass was more theological.

P.s. I respect non-catholics, just don’t respect those whose beliefs make them feel entitled to persecute Catholics, these, I would only respect out of necessity, or formality, but never for their attributes, which are illogical and seem selfish to myself- in that they choose to persecute logic.

 

[benedictus2]

**CATHOLICS DIFFER, SO DO PROTESTANTS
**

   What surprised me is that so few Catholics seem to accept the idea that they belong to the only one, true apostolic Church. Unfortunately, some Catholic media (e. g., EWTN) seem to promote a Catholic triumphalism that gives non-Catholics the impressive that Catholicism is intolerant. I've heard that telecasts like "Journey Home" grate on Protestants who would like a warm ecumenical relationship among Christians. If one group says they have the only authentic Christianity, the only valid communion, the only true Church, etc - as Benedict XI stated last summer - warm ecumenism is difficult to achieve.

This is the one thing that puzzles me. If you do not believe that your Church is the one true Church that Christ established upon Peter, the Rock, what are you doing dilly dallying there. Shouldn’t you be out there searching for that Church. After all, surely if you love Christ and want to follow Him you would want to be in that Church that He established.

It’s got to be out there for He promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against it and that He will send the Holy Spirit to guide it into all truth. It’s got to have continuity throughout the centuries.

And yes He did say Church, not churches.

 

[benedictus2]

**CATHOLICS DIFFER, SO DO PROTESTANTS
**

If one group says they have the only authentic Christianity, the only valid communion, the only true Church, etc - as Benedict XI stated last summer - warm ecumenism is difficult to achieve.

Warm ecumenism I think is not what we are after. If one believes that one’s Church is the one true Church of Christ, he would be doing violence to his convictions to affirm otherwise. Furthermore, he would be lying.

And as I said in my earlier post, if the person does jot believe that his church is the one true church, then why bother? There is objective truth and it is knowable so shouldn’t that person be expending all his energy trying to locate Christ’s Church.

So what we Catholic says is yes, Protestants are our brothers. But separated brothers.

 

[Roy5]

ONE TRUE CHURCH?

 I have always doubted that there is one true church. My inclination is to think that good people of all faiths are equal in the sight of God, that when the 'judgement day' arrives, God will not evn take note of our church affiliation but look at our heart, our sincerity, our motives, and how closely we lived by the Golden Rule.

  Somedays I'm inclined to think that our problem is that we seem to really feel that theology saves us rather than Christ. If we believe the right things (doctrines of the church) then we have an advantage. Some Catholics hold on to the believe that only in their church can people gain salvation. Brilliant men and women over thousands of years have come up with all sorts of ideas re God, Christ, scripture, authority, whatever. With perhaps a few exceptions why can't we learn from them all and give them the respect they deserve?

  Then, of course, there is the debate over whether Jesus actually founded the Catholic Church specifically or the Christian church generally. I wonder if Jesus came back and saw our churches - Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant - would he recognize them as what he had in mind. Would that humble man of Galilee like our expensive altars, statues and vestments and all the repetitive ritual that has evolved since his time? Just asking.

 

[peary]

Funny that the Church never takes those one or two Masses a year to inform them all that they are committing grave sins by not attending weekly.

I wonder why that is?

**It’s better to err on the side of mercy than to push them away entirely. **

 

[Peter_J]

Some Catholics hold on to the believe that only in their church can people gain salvation.

I trust, however, that you’re aware of what the Second Vatican Council taught? (I’ve recently been debating with a Lutheran poster about whether VCII changed earlier teachings from e.g. Unam Sanctum and the Council of Florence, or simply clarified them. If you’re interested, see this thread.)

 

[distracted]

ONE TRUE CHURCH?

 I have always doubted that there is one true church.

it only makes logical sense that God would want ONe true Church, not 33,000… all teaching differing things… so if you dont’ believe the Bible where Jesus says he will build his Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail… (and etc…)… at least you can believe LOGIC, can’t you? And that God is the most logical of all?? You don’t have to read in the bible where it says that God is not hte author of confusion… It goes without saying… logically…
whether we understand god’s logic is another matter altogether…

My inclination is to think that good people of all faiths are equal in the sight of God, that when the ‘judgement day’ arrives, God will not evn take note of our church affiliation but look at our heart, our sincerity, our motives, and how closely we lived by the Golden Rule.

that is your subjective opinion. but what is the truth? The truth is found in the Church and Scripture (which never contradict ea other)… The truth is that some people are more holy than others because some love Jesus more than others… and those who don’t love Him at all end up separated from him in eternity… Those who know him but don’t do everything he asks will end up in Purgatory… Everyone is NOT in the same “place”, spiritually, as you imply…

  Somedays I'm inclined to think that our problem is that we seem to really feel that theology saves us rather than Christ.

If we don’t have Christ’s theology… it is hard to have Christ… No, wait… it is impossible to have christ without his “theology”… or at least not all of Christ…The bible says that he who does not have the doctrine of Christ… is not part of him…

  Then, of course, there is the debate over whether Jesus actually founded the Catholic Church specifically or the Christian church generally. I wonder if Jesus came back and saw our churches - Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant - would he recognize them as what he had in mind.

The Catholic Church has his very Presence There… something no human can destroy… ever… (St. matthew 16:18… st. Matthew 28:20, etc…)

 

[MrS]

ONE TRUE CHURCH?

I have always doubted that there is one true church. My inclination is to think that good people of all faiths are equal in the sight of God, that when the ‘judgement day’ arrives, God will not evn take note of our church affiliation but look at our heart, our sincerity, our motives, and how closely we lived by the Golden Rule.

Somedays I’m inclined to think that our problem is that we seem to really feel that theology saves us rather than Christ. If we believe the right things (doctrines of the church) then we have an advantage. Some Catholics hold on to the believe that only in their church can people gain salvation. Brilliant men and women over thousands of years have come up with all sorts of ideas re God, Christ, scripture, authority, whatever. With perhaps a few exceptions why can’t we learn from them all and give them the respect they deserve?

Then, of course, there is the debate over whether Jesus actually founded the Catholic Church specifically or the Christian church generally. I wonder if Jesus came back and saw our churches - Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant - would he recognize them as what he had in mind. Would that humble man of Galilee like our expensive altars, statues and vestments and all the repetitive ritual that has evolved since his time? Just asking.

I don’t think you are or want to be open to reasoning about the theological differences between the Catholic Church.

But perhaps you can think about all those men and women who are proud to state that they started their faith communities… in spite of Jesus’ intention.

 

[reteeks21]

I don’t think you are or want to be open to reasoning about the theological differences between the Catholic Church.

But perhaps you can think about all those men and women who are proud to state that they started their faith communities… in spite of Jesus’ intention.

Reasoning or accepting what you say as the cut-and-dry truth?

 

[MrS]

Reasoning or accepting what you say as the cut-and-dry truth?

There is one Truth, and you should know that. It is not scattered and intermingled with untruth at the will of the Lord. That mess was created by man cooperating with the evil one… parable of the sower.

The Holy Spirit is not a God of division, is He?

While He may, may, be leading you or another to Truth by way of any of tens of thousands of man-made communities… His goal could only be the one Truth, and where the fullness of that Truth can exist… not scattered… but together in the Church, only Church, founded by Jesus Christ.

I noticed that you claim to be a protestant… any specific theological persuasion?, or just a protestant in general? If specific, then what makes your theology better than, or more complete then, somebody elses faith community.

It is not the Authority of God… He alreadey gave that to Peter and the Apostles. They alone have the power to feed His sheep…

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[reteeks21]

There is one Truth, and you should know that. It is not scattered and intermingled with untruth at the will of the Lord. That mess was created by man cooperating with the evil one… parable of the sower.

The Holy Spirit is not a God of division, is He?

While He may, may, be leading you or another to Truth by way of any of tens of thousands of man-made communities… His goal could only be the one Truth, and where the fullness of that Truth can exist… not scattered… but together in the Church, only Church, founded by Jesus Christ.

I noticed that you claim to be a protestant… any specific theological persuasion?, or just a protestant in general? If specific, then what makes your theology better than, or more complete then, somebody elses faith community.

It is not the Authority of God… He alreadey gave that to Peter and the Apostles. They alone have the power to feed His sheep…

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I never said my theology was better or more complete. By your stating that we have or are cooperating with the evil one I think it is obvious who sees their theology better and more complete than that of others.

So, again, reasoning goes only as far as we are willing to accept the rcc, right? Otherwise we are cooperating with the evil one, correct?

Also, I am a Lutheran.