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Pro_Domina
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Uh how so?
I don’t believe I’ve said anything contrary to the teachings of the Holy Church.
So explain.
What you actually like kumbaya?
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I don’t believe I’ve said anything contrary to the teachings of the Holy Church.
So explain.
What you actually like kumbaya?
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Mannyfit75
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the graces comes from God. It is not controlled by the Church. You have a backward view of the Church as if it was separate from Jesus Christ himself.
Again we do not believe in work based faith. It is grace from God that saves. That is what the Church teaches. If you want to go indepth I suggest you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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Mannyfit75
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You didn’t but the ** onetimeposter ** make distorted views of the Catholic Church. He lacks the real meaning of what the Catholic Church teaches.
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Mannyfit75
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Now you have a point and our Protestant friend again thinks that there is no requirement to be saved. Jesus himself extorted us to believe, be baptize (be born again of water and spirit). I recall Jesus told the Apostles “Baptized them in the Name of the Father, and Of the Son, and Of the Holy Spirit. He also requires them to teach them all that He has taught the Apostles.”
Christianity is not wimp religion. God demands us to obey his commandments just as the Church teaches.
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MrS
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and please note that I worded it :
and the listener heard Jesus say
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because that is the stumbling block when one denies the Church and its teaching authority, the Magisterium… they are left with only what “they” hear or interpret. (well, they do have their hired pastors etc)
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Deconi
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Some of what you say is true. Clearly there is a variety of experiences growing up Catholic. You should have ‘remembered’ as a child, that the Scriptural passages for the week used to be on “notice boards” beside the pulpit or somewhere in view.
There was a time when the readings used to be “alternated”…the reader reads a verse, the ‘mass’ reads the next, and so on.
We were also not taught Scriptures in specificity, because the point is, to 'hear" the WHOLE BOOK, as EVERY WORD is God Breathed / Inspired. It matters not what Esther says, or Jeremiah, or Isaiah, Matthew, Paul or John!! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE WHO “IS SPEAKING” BECAUSE GOD IS THE AUTHOR !! There WAS no difference between the ‘writers.’
Reformers dwell on individual passages of Scriptures, because outside of The Book, they have no “legitimacy” to claim to BE OF CHRIST! Even with the best of intentions, they have, unwittingly assisted those OPPOSED to Christ, in dismantling His Gospel.
But God USES every free will choice we make to further His Purpose. That is, that ALL may know HIM and HIS LOVE for His Creation. What has occurred, is the ‘awakening’ of interest of attention to details contained within The Book. It coincides with the progress of the Messianic Age where ‘man’ begins to realise how smart he really is.
Before Christ (The Messiah) wisdom and intelligence was periodic, ‘sporadic’ and ‘splintered’ from people to people. Since ‘The Age’ began, intellect has been spreading like “A Light” and is becoming unified. Technology and all its ability is now GLOBAL. (Mirroring The Good News!)
You may, for instance and good research, reasearch on the WORLD WIDE WEB what Catholics actually do around the globe, for humanity. (You may be pleasantly surprised) The difference is Catholics DO NOT sing, dance and wave neon lights about it, because IT’S NOT ABOUT US! We do not do it to draw attention to US, or increase the membership. We DO IT, because of the Love of Our Founder Who just wants it DONE!!
For the record, I used to ‘agree’ with you, until I learned THE FACTS!
**MASS is boring and dull…IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA (OR FORGOTTEN) WHO IS PRESENT, AND TO WHOM IT IS BEING OFFERED!! **
Whilst every Christian ‘celebration’ is acceptable, I’m sure, What has been GIVEN as Perfect, by Perfection, must be conducted, Perfectly!
God Bless
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onetimeposter
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THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE WHO “IS SPEAKING” BECAUSE GOD IS THE AUTHOR !! There WAS no difference between the ‘writers.’
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There is a difference between the writers, writting styles, sentence structure, language used etc… much, much difference. The writings may have been inspired by God, but they were very much written by men living in a particular moment in history and their writings clearly reflect that fact!**
Reformers dwell on individual passages of Scriptures, because outside of The Book, they have no “legitimacy” to claim to BE OF CHRIST! Even with the best of intentions, they have, unwittingly assisted those OPPOSED to Christ, in dismantling His Gospel.
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Reformers dwell on a relationship with God through faith.**
You may, for instance and good research, reasearch on the WORLD WIDE WEB what Catholics actually do around the globe, for humanity. (You may be pleasantly surprised) The difference is Catholics DO NOT sing, dance and wave neon lights about it, because IT’S NOT ABOUT US! We do not do it to draw attention to US, or increase the membership. We DO IT, because of the Love of Our Founder Who just wants it DONE!!
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It is about what the Church decides is appropriate and in turn they tell the laity what is appropriate, the laity, believing that their Church infallible in faith and morals, must agree, without compromise. Salvation is held firmly in the hands of the Church, no salvation outside of the Church is a fact of the RCC.**
For the record, I used to ‘agree’ with you, until I learned THE FACTS!
I know the facts, and I do not agree with you.
MASS is boring and dull…IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA (OR FORGOTTEN) WHO IS PRESENT, AND TO WHOM IT IS BEING OFFERED!!
Everyone knows whom the Church claims is present, but many do not believe it. About 40% of RC’ don’t believe in the real presence ( Source - Catholic answers). Mass and the RCC have not brought me closer to God, rather the RCC has resulted in my experiencing greater anxiety, not because of my ignorance, but because of my knowledge of Church teachings regarding our salvation.
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I do not find Mass inspiring. I am them chastised for saying so and told that the Mass is not for my entertainment!**
**I do not believe the priest is able to summon the Holy Spirit on demand and turn bread into the flesh of the Son of God. **
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I am not looking for entertainment, I am looking for the sacred, for a relationship with God and for inspiration. The approach the RCC takes to facilitate that, simply does not work for me.**Too me, it is empty and leaves me feeling the same.
Whilst every Christian ‘celebration’ is acceptable, I’m sure, What has been GIVEN as Perfect, by Perfection, must be conducted, Perfectly!
The Church over time, created the formula’s for all of the rituals that you are deeming perfect. As is accepted within the RCC, Jesus did not prescribe the precise matter, form or formulas for the sacraments ( except baptism), so the Church took the liberty, claiming authority from God, to create / expand upon the rituals that we see today. The Church even decided what the words of absolution should be, having great debate of just what those words should be? Is that the Church inspired by the Holy Spirit directing these forumula’s or is it just men making decisions that bound the laity to their belief of how things should be?
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fbl9
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hi OTP don’t kid yourself every other church makes the claim they have God given authority for what they teach.
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MrS
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All the while they quote from the Scriptures given them by the Catholic Church, includeing the verse
“… I will build My Church…”
Jesus is the founder
It is His
There is only one, singular.
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onetimeposter
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MrS
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The Church is Jesus Christ.I’m learning not to get all wrapped up in rules, policies and institutional bureaucracies. It’s hard to learn to distance oneself from an institution that teaches that there is no salvation outside of the Church.
That ominous warning sure kept me coming back for years!
There is no salvation outside the Church.
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Marc_Aupiais
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It is the safeguard of the truth (I Timothy II verse XV- for those who don’t comprehend I Timothy 3 verse 15).
Seeing the historic context, it is easily misread, there is no doubt to the tendancy to not read it, which is why teaching, notes, etc is always so prevalent in many translations, and all of us learn n church and other areas, return, if not for the sake of trying it out, as to the OP, this is incorrect, I do not see much of this, but then again a belong to what was known as the Roomse Gevaar, the Roman Threat, to some at a stage, and religious intolerance is illegal in my country, yet this does not stop me hearing horrendous lies, so if I appear disrespectful, it is because I have already heard what a person has said, found it wanting, and am irritated at the lack of truth, the claims of many people would warrant arrest (or a fine) in other nations than their own, such as My own, or Australia.
Seeing the historic context, it is easily misread, there is no doubt to the tendancy to not read it, which is why teaching, notes, etc is always so prevalent in many translations, and all of us learn n church and other areas, return, if not for the sake of trying it out, as to the OP, this is incorrect, I do not see much of this, but then again a belong to what was known as the Roomse Gevaar, the Roman Threat, to some at a stage, and religious intolerance is illegal in my country, yet this does not stop me hearing horrendous lies, so if I appear disrespectful, it is because I have already heard what a person has said, found it wanting, and am irritated at the lack of truth, the claims of many people would warrant arrest (or a fine) in other nations than their own, such as My own, or Australia.
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MrS
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Point one… It is The Catholic Church. You may prefer Henry’s attempt to show distain and comtempt for the Catholic Church (he wanted to use Catholic to the exclusion of all others) by applying Romish, papish, and Roman.
The word stuck when we allude to the Catholic Church, but the title has not changed.
Point two… It is the Catholic Church which alone has received “power” to feed and teach, through the office of the holder of the keys (we call Papa, or Pope). That “power” was never abrogated, nor shared with any other faith community.
Point three… salvation is not so much institutionalized as it is now available to all. Salvation is not “from the Jews”, but rather it is “from the Jew”, Jesus Christ.
He has chosen to institute the means and the road in His Church. You may wander a different road, or you may veer off the true path… but eventually the decision must be made to accept what Jesus gives usor willingly reject it.
It appears you have chosen the latter.
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Peter_J
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I assume you’re referring to the fact that this is the “Non-Catholic Religions forum”.
If so, I think you are reading more into that title that is actually intended. “Non-Catholic” simply means “not in full communion with Rome”. It doesn’t deny those who are, if you will, “small-c catholics”. (I suppose the forum administrators could change the name to “Non Roman-Catholic Religions” to avoid offended people like you; but then that would offend some Catholics who don’t like to be called “Roman Catholic” – see for example post #175.)
I realize you would probably prefer that there be a forum specifically for small-c catholics who are not in full-communion with Rome, but:
- Even if the administrators were going to split the “Non-Catholic Religions forum” into smaller forums (which I have no reason to believe they’re going to do) then I think the most sensible thing would be to split it into a “Non-Catholic Christians forum” and a “Non-Christian Religions forum”.
- If they did create a small-c catholic forum, someone would have to decide who would be included in that description. Would it be just the Orthodox, Assyrians, PNCC, and Old Catholics, or would it also include some or all Anglicans and Lutherans?
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onetimeposter
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Pro_Domina
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Who is that idiot called a pastor to make up his own church?
That is a better question.
That is a better question.
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onetimeposter
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If I can experience the sacred, form a relationship with God and better my life…I will gladly join that idiots Church.
I experience and feel nothing in what you call the one true Church.
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distracted
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once i found the fullness of faith in the Catholic Church (and benefitted from its powerful “helps”… ) i was not at all interested in learning about what other “churches” teach…
Let me correct that… There is only ONE Church… I should have said “What other ecclessial communities teach…”
Once you have found the pearl of great price, you don’t need… agates… or what have you…
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