What Do Catholics Not Respect Non-Catholics?

[fbl9]

Went to weekly Mass until I was about 15. I listened, the Christian message was lost on me and I was never really aware that Priests have the uncanny ability, on demand, to turn a piece of bread into the son of God. I knew that it was important to do what the Church said.

i never knew that the priest had any ablity to turn the host into the Son.guess one never stops learning…this is an excellent example of what the op is getting at. some one spouts out a clueless notion and it get responded to in a harsh manner…just so you know onetime. the priest has no ability to do as you say,it is done by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[fbl9]

As an response to the op,myself i have a difficult time respecting some one who calls me a son of a whore,or any one who belongs to the same group…

 

[onetimeposter]

the priest has no ability to do as you say,it is done by the power of the Holy Spirit.

So the laity has power to turn bread into Jesus?

Why don’t they rotate it through the congregation so that everyone can have a turn performing transubstantiation!

 

[wanner47]

So the laity has power to turn bread into Jesus?

Why don’t they rotate it through the congregation so that everyone can have a turn performing transubstantiation!

The laity does not have the power to confect transubstantiation, and the poster you quoted did not say that they did.

The Holy Spirit grants that power to priests by virtue of their Holy Orders.

 

[Peter_J]

fbl9;3949373:

the priest has no ability to do as you say,it is done by the power of the Holy Spirit.

So the laity has power to turn bread into Jesus?

Why don’t they rotate it through the congregation so that everyone can have a turn performing transubstantiation!

Not that anyone’s asked me … but I think you’re both being a little too picky about words.

 

[Cinette]

So the laity has power to turn bread into Jesus?

Why don’t they rotate it through the congregation so that everyone can have a turn performing transubstantiation!

Hey OnetimePoster

One should come to Catholic Answers to enquire, listen and try to understand. It strikes me that you came to mock and insult. That is not a loving attitude.

:bigyikes:

 

[AlegreFe]

I was never encouraged to read my Bible and it was never stressed as something that we should do.

No one “encourages” me to read anything, much less, the bible. But if I don’t read it, it’s not anyone’s fault but my own.

Stop blaming others for your past mistakes. You’re an adult and you should take responsibility for your own faults. Start living in the “now” for your own sake and for the sake of those around you.

I learned that the Church was all about the Saints, the Priest, the Church, Mary, Baby Jesus and the Pope.

The Church is about all those things/people. But the Church is ALL about JESUS! Jesus is our CENTER! Our Eucharistist King is the source, center and summit of our Christian life. Without Jesus we would have none of the Saints, none of the Priests and we certainly would not have the Pope considereing Jesus appointed Peter as our first Pope and from there the office was always filled with successors to him.

 

[AlegreFe]

Went to weekly Mass until I was about 15. I listened, the Christian message was lost on me and I was never really aware that Priests have the uncanny ability, on demand, to turn a piece of bread into the son of God. I knew that it was important to do what the Church said.

When we are at Mass Jesus Christ is the one standing at the Altar. The Priest makes Christ sacramentally present among the congregation during Mass. This is possible by the power of the Holy Spirit. Christ incorporates Himself into the Priest because it is HIS (Christ’s) office. No one else can stand in for Christ other than the Priest when it comes to celebrating the Mass.

The prophetic and royal office of the Incarnate Word of God is a reality of the Priesthood of Jesus Christ. Jesus instituted the office of His Ministerial Priesthood so that we can partake of His flesh & blood in the Eucharist. This is not something that just anyone can do. Only a validly ordained Catholic Priest can stand In Persona Christi. It is only because of Jesus that it is possible we can eat His flesh & drink His blood; but he makes it possible through His Ministerial Priests.

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ETA: I just wanted to add this quote to my post. I saw this post (below) after I posted and I answered your snarky question for you before I knew you even asked.

So the laity has power to turn bread into Jesus?

Why don’t they rotate it through the congregation so that everyone can have a turn performing transubstantiation!

And you wonder why you THINK we do not respect non-Catholics? I think it’s the other way around.

 

[Pro_Domina]

Well to add a bit more.
Every side of a war has it’s captains.

Ours is the King of Kings.
Theirs is the Prince of Darkness.

One tactic the Devil uses and with success is to mock and ridicule.
Remeber the famous quote of men are more scarred of a laugh than a bullet. Well its true. Human Respect is one of the most crushing blows to a Catholic. How many young people are enthused by God and His Cause and propose to be moral Catholics, combatant Catholics, proud Catholics only to succumb out of cursed Human Respect.

“Oh you’re a church boy”…

"Oh you Catholics don’t even read the Bibl…

And that boy who had proposed to live a radical life becomes one of the rest of this cursed generation. How many of us won’t even make the sign of the Cross out of fear of being seen by others…

NO! We must be head to the lamentation of Our Lord when He said the sons of darkness are more astute than those of the Light.
We must be proud and radical Catholics.
Not lukewarm Sunday-goers!

 

[RAR]

This is my response to the threads that go "Why do (non-Catholic group name here) hate Catholics? However, I refuse to use the word “hate” as I was raised to believe that we should do our best not to “hate” anyone and I find it’s lose use on this forum somewhat upsetting.

Having been both a Protestant and a Catholic and now being pretty much neither, I read the posts here from a less biased point of view than some and I see a alot of uncharitable behavior on both sides. However, many Catholics, usually the same ones who wonder why so many folks are anti-Catholic, appear to be very arrogant and disrepectful of the faiths of others. Belittling and sanctmonious behavior are not Christ-like, IMO. Nor do they make for dialogue. To assume that people who hold sincere beliefs that differ from your own need only to “try harder” and they would see things your way is indeed an insult.

Thoughts?

Hi Swan,

“Respect” is what caught my attention.

I confess that I sometimes have a difficult time “respecting” Christians of other denominations or religions that I see as being built off of a “straw man.” There is obviously a character flaw here and I’m working on it. My only explanation is that I simply don’t understand how anyone can be Christian and not be Catholic. I was baptized, confirmed, and received first communion in college and the Catholic Church was the only church that held authority. Without that authority and witness, Jesus would have been just another man to me. Afterall, how could I have trusted in the Bible if it hadn’t been for the authority and tradition of the Catholic Church who gave it to us (I asked myself)?

Also, I feel Christendom was shattered with the Reformation and pray that it is one day reunited. Though I am blessed with many close friendships with non-Catholic Christians (and even LDS & Jehovah’s Witnesses), I don’t understand how they can recognize any authority other than the Catholic Church.

Sincerely,
RAR

 

[AlegreFe]

We must be head to the lamentation of Our Lord when He said the sons of darkness are more astute than those of the Light.
We must be proud and radical Catholics.
Not lukewarm Sunday-goers!

 

[AlegreFe]

I simply don’t understand how anyone can be Christian and not be Catholic.

I feel the same way.

I was baptized, confirmed, and received first communion in college and the Catholic Church was the only church that held authority. Without that authority and witness, Jesus would have been just another man to me. Afterall, how could I have trusted in the Bible if it hadn’t been for the authority and tradition of the Catholic Church who gave it to us

I wish everyone could see it this way.

Also, I feel Christendom was shattered with the Reformation and pray that it is one day reunited. Though I am blessed with many close friendships with non-Catholic Christians (and even LDS & Jehovah’s Witnesses),

I also have friends that are not Catholic. I pray for them. Please pray for me.

I don’t understand how they can recognize any authority other than the Catholic Church.

I hear you RAR.

 

[SwizzleStick]

Why do Catholics not respect non-Catholics?

Hmm. I am a cradle Catholic who was raised in and now also lives in a very Catholic community. I don’t disrespect other faiths. The truth is, I don’t even really think about other faiths, because I have no reason to do so. I know very, very little about what other denominations believe or don’t believe. I guess the closest I’ve come to being exposed to and actually talked to a non-Catholic about religion (other than on this forum which I only joined fairly recently) is when JWs come to my door and I am silly enough to answer and speak to them. One day a middle-aged JW rang my doorbell. She was hot and tired and on foot, so I offered her a bottle of water. That was an “in” for her, I guess, because she left me some literature and came back multiple times to give me some literature and speak briefly with me about religion. She came by for probably three months before we moved away. Another JW came by our new house, and I talked to her a few times, but then asked her to please stop coming because I was tired of the regular visits. I’m Catholic and will always be Catholic, she was JW trying to get me to convert and that was not going to happen, so what was the point? I know a Baptist couple. They are very nice, but we don’t talk about religion (except in a general way, like when we have a trivia night and they shine with Biblical trivia). My SIL of 16 years is a Lutheran, but we have NEVER discussed religion.

It appears that a lot of other people have opportunities to discuss religion a lot more than I do and I guess to also try to evangelize, In general, in day-to-day life, I just don’t have the opportunity because most of the people I know are already Catholic. I personally am not disrespectful to non-Catholics because I rarely interact with non-Catholics and have no idea what other denominations believe.

 

[Peter_J]

Hi Swan,

“Respect” is what caught my attention.

I confess that I sometimes have a difficult time “respecting” Christians of other denominations or religions that I see as being built off of a “straw man.” There is obviously a character flaw here and I’m working on it. My only explanation is that I simply don’t understand how anyone can be Christian and not be Catholic.

Hi RAR,

I think you hit the nail on the head, in terms of what the main issue is here: How can such-and-such Christian agree with me on many things, but not agree with me on everything?

For me one of the most painful things is when I see Christians calling each other hypocrites, especially when it’s Christians who are very close, e.g. Catholics and Orthodox.

To quote something Tantum ergo said earlier:

Sadly, we both have respect issues. Since we do have many commonalities, those issues where we disagree can often seem even more infuriating (how can somebody who believes in God, loves Scripture, knows Christ’s teachings, supposedly is bound to obey that teaching, be so wrong-headed, thick-skinned, sarcastic, nitpicky, blind, foolish, misguided, ill-informed, prejudiced, brain-washed, ritualistic, laissez-faire. . . etc. etc. etc. and be so wrong? we ask ourselves. How can our fellow Christians get X part of the gospel ‘right’ and Y and Z wrong?

…

Catholics and Protestants are Christians. We need each other. We are brothers and sisters. We might bicker and quarrel but when push comes to shove, the fact that we are family is going to unite us. . .and what a day that will be.

P.S. This may be a bit tangential to your post, but I think you might like to look at the results of this poll. (The first post explains what the poll is asking.)

 

[Lapell]

This is my response to the threads that go "Why do (non-Catholic group name here) hate Catholics? However, I refuse to use the word “hate” as I was raised to believe that we should do our best not to “hate” anyone and I find it’s lose use on this forum somewhat upsetting.

Having been both a Protestant and a Catholic and now being pretty much neither, I read the posts here from a less biased point of view than some and I see a alot of uncharitable behavior on both sides. However, many Catholics, usually the same ones who wonder why so many folks are anti-Catholic, appear to be very arrogant and disrepectful of the faiths of others. Belittling and sanctmonious behavior are not Christ-like, IMO. Nor do they make for dialogue. To assume that people who hold sincere beliefs that differ from your own need only to “try harder” and they would see things your way is indeed an insult.

Thoughts?

I guess the harshness of many can be explained by a desire not to yield to seductive reasons to water down the doctrines of the faith which has not found enough sense of security and strength which would allow them to express their views at least as firmly, but quietly and brotherly…

 

[Lapell]

And so I pray that soon all the posters in that situation (including myself) will one day come to such a point where they can remain firm without having to appear disrespectful, hostile and hateful to others. Also, I wish they would listen to the words of the other posters much more than to what they think they know of their religion or denomination… although it’s not bad to keep the teachings of their religion in mind! To be able to listen to the persons they are first and foremost… The efforts will be worth it, believe me!

 

[RAR]

For me one of the most painful things is when I see Christians calling each other hypocrites, especially when it’s Christians who are very close, e.g. Catholics and Orthodox.

I agree completely, painful. I’ve felt the same thing when I read argumentative posts between the Catholics and Orthodox. To be up front, it surprised me very much. I’ve always felt a real affinity to the Orthodox.

Thanks also for the link… I added a post there, too, though it might not be all that clear.

God bless!
RAR

 

[Swan]

Let me see if I can better articulate what it is I’m trying to say. From my experience as a spiritual seeker I have come to know that we are not all at the same place on our spiritual path. Just as vital to understanding this is understanding that God is in charge. We don’t know God’s plan for ourselves most of the time let alone what God has planned for others. Perhaps God has a reason for wanting people where they are. Perhaps their presence in that place will make a difference - ripples on a pond - you know? I’ve had some experiences that were something of a let down in what I expected to achieve - finally I realized that I had to take on faith that my time wasn’t wasted, that I can only see a tiny bit of the picture. God has the wide angle view, not me. I don’t know how my presence/actions play out down the pike. I don’t know what my influence might start/stop. Spirituality is a deeply personal thing, a large part of our self-identity. Generally, folks don’t decide what faith/doctrine/creed to follow lightly. Instead it is given much thought and prayerful consideration. God might need someone to be other than Catholic because it fits into his “big picture”. Let’s give folks, and God, the benefit of the doubt here. Perhaps those folks will learn a vital truth through someone they meet as a result of that turn on their spiritual path.

Last but not least, because spirituality is such a big part of who we are, insulting/belittling or otherwise making light of one another’s paths can be very damaging, both emotionally and spiritually. It can literally turn people off to God altogether. (please note that I am talking about folks whose spirituality is positive, I’m not speaking of folks who follow some creed that includes hatred, racism, etc. - these people do not respect the dignity of others so I pretty much just ignore them).

This is just my take on it and, as I said, I’ve been a seeker all my life (still am).

 

[RAR]

Let me see if I can better articulate what it is I’m trying to say. From my experience as a spiritual seeker I have come to know that we are not all at the same place on our spiritual path. Just as vital to understanding this is understanding that God is in charge. We don’t know God’s plan for ourselves most of the time let alone what God has planned for others. Perhaps God has a reason for wanting people where they are. Perhaps their presence in that place will make a difference - ripples on a pond - you know? I’ve had some experiences that were something of a let down in what I expected to achieve - finally I realized that I had to take on faith that my time wasn’t wasted, that I can only see a tiny bit of the picture. God has the wide angle view, not me. I don’t know how my presence/actions play out down the pike. I don’t know what my influence might start/stop. Spirituality is a deeply personal thing, a large part of our self-identity. Generally, folks don’t decide what faith/doctrine/creed to follow lightly. Instead it is given much thought and prayerful consideration. God might need someone to be other than Catholic because it fits into his “big picture”. Let’s give folks, and God, the benefit of the doubt here. Perhaps those folks will learn a vital truth through someone they meet as a result of that turn on their spiritual path.

Last but not least, because spirituality is such a big part of who we are, insulting/belittling or otherwise making light of one another’s paths can be very damaging, both emotionally and spiritually. It can literally turn people off to God altogether. (please note that I am talking about folks whose spirituality is positive, I’m not speaking of folks who follow some creed that includes hatred, racism, etc. - these people do not respect the dignity of others so I pretty much just ignore them).

This is just my take on it and, as I said, I’ve been a seeker all my life (still am).

Interesting Swan,

I know what you mean about “God might need someone to be other than Catholic because it fits into his Big Picture” and your talk about seekers. I think we’re all on a journey and the important thing is to remain open minded and sincere in our search.

So many of us are different from one another. I tend to think that God touches us in different ways and at different times. But I don’t think that God would have wanted his Church to be shattered, either. Still, he works with us in our choices and it could be on a cosmic level that the body of Christ is being strengthened before it finally comes back together gloriously.

I have these thoughts, but I’m always mindful that I’m not following my own pride.

RAR

 

[Peter_J]

Hi Swan,

I don’t really have any problem with what you just posted – as a matter of fact, I think I will read it over again tomorrow.

The problem that I have with your opening post/question is that you’re not really doing an apples-to-apples comparison.

What you ought to do is look at CAF and look at a typical sampling of Protestant and Orthodox discussion forums, and then ask “Is CAF any less respectful toward non-Catholic Christians than those other forums are toward Catholics?” If you do that, I think you’ll have to answer in the negative.