What do fortune cookies, sugar-free gum, jaywalking, and coffee before Mass have in common?

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They are all topics of current threads in this forum. Is this really what Catholic moral issues have come to? I have never once, not ever, seen a posting here regarding moral issues surrounding the failure to folllow Jesus’ command in Matthew 25 regarding caring for the hungry, the poor, the needy, the imprisoned. But lots of concern over caffeine and gum. I truly don’t understand. As Scripture says, “Jesus wept.”
 
I understand your frustration. If this forum was your only exposure to Catholicism you would think the most important issues are anything to do with gay people, the 2012 American Presidential election and issues like jaywalking, chewing gum and fortune cookies.

I would love to see this forum become more about leading other people to God and about serving God through serving others but those things don’t seem to generate as much interest.
 
This forum should not be taken as a representative cross-section of the Catholic Church.

In this particular case, you have noticed the tendency for people to ask about moral problems that are difficult for them to figure out. Adultery, for example, being wrong is obvious to nearly everyone, so why ask a question about whether adultery is ok or not? It’s less clear to many people whether chewing gum constitutes a violation of the Eucharistic fast, and so the question gets asked.
 
Well for starters social work is important, but cant replace Our LORD. Abortion, Obama and Homosexuality are very important things right now for good reason. Also, the EUCHARISTIC fast is very important as you dont just recieve bread, you recieve JESUS CHRIST. Its unfortunate that you think those issues are unimportant.

obama has launched a full scale assualt against the Catholic Church and Religious liberty, who isnt mad at obama??

gay people are destroying the family with their perverted lifestyle and bringing about the ruin of this culture as we know it.

Wheres the concern? Holy Mother Church has always done the MOST and BEST social work, more than any country could ever hope to. I have a very soft spot in my heart for the homeless, sick, abandonded and dying but obama and active homosexuals are a major threat to Our FAITH and society at large.
 
This forum should not be taken as a representative cross-section of the Catholic Church.

In this particular case, you have noticed the tendency for people to ask about moral problems that are difficult for them to figure out. Adultery, for example, being wrong is obvious to nearly everyone, so why ask a question about whether adultery is ok or not? It’s less clear to many people whether chewing gum constitutes a violation of the Eucharistic fast, and so the question gets asked.
Well, then to follow that logic homosexual acts are recognized as being sins to nearly everyone in the Catholic church, yet the discussion on that topic is endless.

I do agree that this forum should not be taken as any kind of representative cross section of the Catholic Church.
 
They are all topics of current threads in this forum. Is this really what Catholic moral issues have come to? I have never once, not ever, seen a posting here regarding moral issues surrounding the failure to folllow Jesus’ command in Matthew 25 regarding caring for the hungry, the poor, the needy, the imprisoned. But lots of concern over caffeine and gum. I truly don’t understand. As Scripture says, “Jesus wept.”
I agree.

Warren Lee Hill is set to be put to death by the state of Georgia today. I don’t see anything on CAF about that.

-Tim-
 
I agree.

Warren Lee Hill is set to be put to death by the state of Georgia today. I don’t see anything on CAF about that.

-Tim-
it seems to me that people post what they want answers to or to engage in discussion about… by all means start a post about mr hill if you want answers or want to engage in a discussion about that topic. 🤷
 
They are all topics of current threads in this forum. Is this really what Catholic moral issues have come to? I have never once, not ever, seen a posting here regarding moral issues surrounding the failure to folllow Jesus’ command in Matthew 25 regarding caring for the hungry, the poor, the needy, the imprisoned. But lots of concern over caffeine and gum. I truly don’t understand. As Scripture says, “Jesus wept.”
Yep, I feel your pain for some parts of this website. But I disagree with the poor; the unborn are the poorest of us all and we (as a society) are killing them off by the MILLIONS! :eek:
 
Why would we need to discuss what we already know to be true? If people are failing, correct your brother. Our Savior was a bit less vocal on the subject of chewing-gum, however.
 
I agree.

Warren Lee Hill is set to be put to death by the state of Georgia today. I don’t see anything on CAF about that.

-Tim-
Who is Warren Hill?

Googled him, and started thread in NEWS section.
 
They are all topics of current threads in this forum. Is this really what Catholic moral issues have come to? I have never once, not ever, seen a posting here regarding moral issues surrounding the failure to folllow Jesus’ command in Matthew 25 regarding caring for the hungry, the poor, the needy, the imprisoned. But lots of concern over caffeine and gum. I truly don’t understand. As Scripture says, “Jesus wept.”
What about Jesus’ command in Matthew 7:1?

I have seen topics about the issues you mentioned, although I think not in Moral Theology but in other places. And if you want to talk about those issues, why not start a thread about them, instead a thread about how bad other people are for not starting threads about them?

Sorry, looking back, that sounds a bit hostile. I really don’t mean to be, but I have seen plenty of threads like this one, complaining that people are too interested in X and not interested enough in Y, and they get my goat a little.

What I really mean to say is, if the people like yourself, who are most concerned with the plight of the poor and the imprisioned, don’t start threads talking about that, but instead start threads like this, where are the threads on that topic going to come from? Maybe you were brought to this community to contribute threads about helping the poor.

I mean, you can’t start a thread like a chewing gum thread, that says “Is it OK not to help the poor” or whatever because I don’t see how that would start much of a discussion. But you could start a thread about some other aspect, like what are the best ways, or how much time and money is enough or something. This is a community, not a broadcast.

And why can’t other people talk about fortune cookies if they want to? You don’t know that IRL they aren’t donating huge sums of time and money to the poor. Are they not allowed to talk about anything less important?

–Jen
 
They are all topics of current threads in this forum. Is this really what Catholic moral issues have come to? I have never once, not ever, seen a posting here regarding moral issues surrounding the failure to folllow Jesus’ command in Matthew 25 regarding caring for the hungry, the poor, the needy, the imprisoned. But lots of concern over caffeine and gum. I truly don’t understand. As Scripture says, “Jesus wept.”
Like Aelred said, there is the fact that major social issues are settled… we don’t NEED to ask if genocide is bad or charity is good. As far as the majority of Catholics (and, I would presume, the majority of western citizens) these things are settled questions.

So what we end up with are two types of questions:
  1. Questions of WHY the church teaches on something that is contentious, such as standing against the HHS mandate (and that fuels a lot of political discussions on the upcoming election), or WHY abortion is a tragedy in human history.
  2. Questions about morality that seem simplistic or unimportant, but actually involve subtle nuances within Canon Law, which some people have not read or may not know where to look for.
And one kind of plea:
  1. they’ve been entrapped into some sinful lifestyle that society promotes and/or throws in their faces constantly and they want to know how to resist it (such as the ever present self-gratification question)
There’s nothing wrong with that fact, that’s what people want to know. If you want to know something or want to discuss something, then by all means post a thread about it.

I would add to that, however, that there is another factor at play: the level of moderation on CAF. That’s both good and bad.

I used to participate in a Catholic Forum which is now closed down, the Lusenet Greenspun Catholic Forum. That was a very lightly moderated forum, and all sorts of core issues were discussed… that was the good part, and why I like less moderation (plus, people had to police each other and themselves for charity issues, rather than being told by a points system). The bad part was that you had all sorts of people with an axe to grind constantly rehashing the same core issues of “why is murder wrong?” It got a bit mundane at times, and the level of rhetoric was certainly much more… aggressive. That was the bad part, and why I like more moderation.

There’s a trade-off in any sort of discussion board, and taking the moderation route necessarily expels the more radical viewpoint that wants to discuss why they think core concepts of morality are wrong, but it also eliminates some wasted bandwidth space and saves people time from rehashing the same old issues over and over again.

So, to sum up: The discussions trend this way because the type of user who survives in a heavily moderated discussion forum is the one who generally accepts as valid the core moral constructs of the discussion board and at least views rational discourse as a possibility… leaving only those few issues that are less clearly settled (in the secular mind) and those which are minor but subtle and nuanced.
 
Like Aelred said, there is the fact that major social issues are settled… we don’t NEED to ask if genocide is bad or charity is good. As far as the majority of Catholics (and, I would presume, the majority of western citizens) these things are settled questions. .
I have had quite a few debates on CAF with people who think the genocide reported at Jericho was good, because it was commanded by God. I also thought the debate on my thread about sugar-free gum was interesting, and informative, and intellectually challenging.
 
I have had quite a few debates on CAF with people who think the genocide reported at Jericho was good, because it was commanded by God. I also thought the debate on my thread about sugar-free gum was interesting, and informative, and intellectually challenging.
One of those you had that discussion with was probably me… 😛
 
It was a pleasure to change your mind, and you were most gracious about it! 😃
 
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