What do Mormons believe will happen to Hinkley?

[Jerusha]

Since I don’t drink alcoholic beverages, and have been informed that I am quitting smoking, coffee drinking is an inherent right and privilege, that Catholicism has given me.

:coffeeread: And I offer more for all the others who choose to assert their right to drink coffee.

 

[talter]

Since I don’t drink alcoholic beverages, and have been informed that I am quitting smoking, coffee drinking is an inherent right and privilege, that Catholicism has given me.

:coffeeread: And I offer more for all the others who choose to assert their right to drink coffee.

Coffee good, beer good, cognac good, tobacco good … in moderation. Nothing link a good cognac and cigar every once in a while.

 

[J_C]

Well, I do go to the coffee hour after mass in my neck of the world

whyme is a LSD missionary lurking around Catholics looking for weak prey. He looks for them here at CA. Now we know that he also looks for them while they socialize after mass. i can imagine the conversations between whyme and the gazelles as he eyes them hungrily. So much for live andlet live, all religions are equal. his is just another missionary disguise. my opinion based on observation of written word over time.

 

[Jerusha]

Yes, how Why Me and Z could withstand the evidence we present, showing that LDS is a false religion, without changing, is beyond me. I think they are closeted non-believers who are doing it for money reasons.

 

[J_C]

whyme says

"Now I do hope that pope john paul could have appeared on larry king also to answer questions. But I did not see him nor do I see Pope Benedict."

no you will never likely see any Pope on Larry King or any other idiotic softcore interview program like it. Larry King is the King of the easy interview. He is not a deep prober, and GBH knew that. Any decent interviewer would hav well prepared for such an interview and would not have let GBH get away with such an ambiguous answer. (also LK has a morman wife who might not appreciate a whipping of the prophit by her wrinkled hubby.)

Did you say unscripted? I doubt that very mcuh. i would be amazed if all potential questions were not sent in writing to the profit well before the program and a corrected list sent back to LK so he’d know what is offlimits.

"It is not easy to be interviewed under the best of circumstances. I can only hope that if I live to be 88, my mind will be as intact at that age"

no, the profit had lived in the public eye for over a half century and was very comfortable on tv camera. your whyme mind may not be clear even today let alone at 88, but GBH was as shapr as a tack, and you know it. GBH went into LSD leadership immediately after he came back from his hard mission to england and never held a real paying job in his life but rather was coached and manicured for upper echelon leadership. whyme saying he was just an old scared man on tv is just a disguise.

 

[RebeccaJ]

whyme is a LSD missionary lurking around Catholics looking for weak prey. He looks for them here at CA. Now we know that he also looks for them while they socialize after mass. i can imagine the conversations between whyme and the gazelles as he eyes them hungrily. So much for live andlet live, all religions are equal. his is just another missionary disguise. my opinion based on observation of written word over time.

I dunno about that. First, I have been out of mormonism for more than two decades. For a while I feared that I would get sucked back in and because of this I was fiercely anti-mormon. That Anger at mormonism was my rocket fuel to get me as far as possible from the lies.

Now, I have learned about the True God and His Loving ways. And I work at learning what it means to be a Christian.

So excuse me whyme while I talk about you.

whyme is not really a mormon, and he not really a Catholic. He has made himself comfortable as being both while at the same time being neither.

It is a tough transition OUT of mormonism. There is much that keeps a person tied to it. Moving on can be more painful than anything imaginable. The fear of losing family, life long friendships, a way of life, an incredible social net, is sometimes too much for people to see themselves as being able to leave.

I don’t believe whyme is looking for mormon converts. Zerinus, yes, he most defiantly is proselytizing. No, I think whyme just wants both Catholics and mormons to tell him that he is ok, right where he is.

God calls all of us to Him. He is gentle, and if whyme keeps up his prayers and search for truth, God will gently lead him to where he should be.

In the meantime, it’s ok for Catholics to be patient with both God and whyme, and for us to pray for him. And, also help with the catechizing he has either forgotten or never received.

 

[J_C]

I see your point about whyme, and if i was over board then I apologize to him and to all. i have been observing the converstaion between whyme and others for many months, and have noted that he is so knowlegeable about theological points of mormanism and morman history. In fact I have learned a lot from him, adn read the book Rough Stone Rolling because he recommended it.

I now know enough about the LDS faith that I know that it can not coexist with Catholic faith. Seeing how whyme knows so much about mormon faith, enough that he defends it at great length, and seems also to know about Catholicism, I can’t believe that he doesn’t know the two can’t reconcile in such a way that one could have a foot in both worlds without being unfaithful to both. I have also seen him be asked repeatedly by some ex mormons how he can walk this walk, and I have not seen a reply from him. I restated that question to him a few days ago and got no reply that I have seen and said then that I thought he is playing a game here.

This also with the apparent fact that Zerinus who is so quick on the trigger with the apostasy accusation against mormon and Catholic alike, seems as if he would have come out strong against whyme claiming to live in both worlds. Seems unlikely that zerinus would be tolerant of such a one, and yet I have not seen much interaction on the board between the two, maybe I missed it.

These are some of the reasons I had concluded that whyme is a version of the missionary zerinus, a kinder and gentler zerinus though with the same mission. my understanding is that proseletytign is forbidden on these forums and so I have long wondered why such obvious activities seem to go unnoticed by many. Now knowing how important conversion out of other religions is for the LDS, it wouldn’t surprise me to see some organized bahaviors here or anywhere else.

still, I will try not to take things so much at face value, and try instead to read between the lines.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I see your point about whyme, and if i was over board then I apologize to him and to all. i have been observing the converstaion between whyme and others for many months, and have noted that he is so knowlegeable about theological points of mormanism and morman history. In fact I have learned a lot from him, adn read the book Rough Stone Rolling because he recommended it.

I now know enough about the LDS faith that I know that it can not coexist with Catholic faith. Seeing how whyme knows so much about mormon faith, enough that he defends it at great length, and seems also to know about Catholicism, I can’t believe that he doesn’t know the two can’t reconcile in such a way that one could have a foot in both worlds without being unfaithful to both. I have also seen him be asked repeatedly by some ex mormons how he can walk this walk, and I have not seen a reply from him. I restated that question to him a few days ago and got no reply that I have seen and said then that I thought he is playing a game here.

This also with the apparent fact that Zerinus who is so quick on the trigger with the apostasy accusation against mormon and Catholic alike, seems as if he would have come out strong against whyme claiming to live in both worlds. Seems unlikely that zerinus would be tolerant of such a one, and yet I have not seen much interaction on the board between the two, maybe I missed it.

These are some of the reasons I had concluded that whyme is a version of the missionary zerinus, a kinder and gentler zerinus though with the same mission. my understanding is that proseletytign is forbidden on these forums and so I have long wondered why such obvious activities seem to go unnoticed by many. Now knowing how important conversion out of other religions is for the LDS, it wouldn’t surprise me to see some organized bahaviors here or anywhere else.

still, I will try not to take things so much at face value, and try instead to read between the lines.

With the mormon view that truth can be found here and there and everywhere, and the way that belief is used and enforced where he has been hanging out (mormonapolgetics.org) It isn’t hard to see how he came to be where he is at. Many folks over on that forum are a mix of many different beliefs. As long as they can bend them inside of what they call a “mormon framework”, they can come to reconcile a lot of different beliefs, all mishmashed together into something that is nothing.

When I was active in the exmormon world, I saw this same thing going on, only outside of a mormon framework. A lot of people dumping religion and God altogether and seeking after truth wherever it can be found. Mishmashing this and that together. The only difference is, they rejected anything that came from mormonism.

It is a distinct mormon world view, but most mormons stick to the basics. What they are taught at church and what they read in mormon church-approved publications. When mormons start straying outside of that structure, anything can happen.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see organized mormon proselytizing here or any where else on the internet. Especially since their late prophet instructed all mormons that they should be using the internet to “fellowship”. I don’t believe a mormon church authority would organize such a thing, if they got caught that would be bad press. And there is the mormon eleventh commandment, “thou shalt not commit publicity”. That’s meant tongue in cheek, they don’t really have an eleventh commandment, but they are extremely bent on Good PR. No, mormons are extremely good at grass-roots organization. That is where any organized proselytizing would come from.

Anyway, whyme is a seeker. He is attending mass. Talking to priests. Trying to work out whatever it is he is working out. He has a lot of mormon thought and belief going on, which is at odds with Catholicism. Either he will keep going on with this assimilation of “truth” wherever it can be found, focused on his own definitions, or he’ll come to realize that God defines Truth, not whyme.

As for zerinus, he turns on anyone who doesn’t agree with him. whyme won’t be immune to this. It is only a matter of time.

 

[J_C]

thank you Rebecca, that is very informative for me, all stuff I was not aware of. I did not realize that there was such a strain of mormons that are like that, i guess I assumed they are all in doctrinal lockstep.

My apologies again to whyme for anything I said that was unkind.

A little explaination for why I care little for the missionaries: This past summer I attended a wedding between a young morman man and a young Catholic girl who comes from a strong Catholic family. I know the Catholic family, and they are very strong in faith. the young lady was being thrown away by the young momrna man because of her faith, so she relented and got baptized morman so he would marry her.

This caused mcuh grief in the family, but they gave their blessing since she was determined. She had many meetings with two young missionary boys, who I met at the wedding, they wearing their uniforms and badges. When they came to the party they set about bearing their morman testimony to every Catholic who would listen to them, passing out literature from their backpacks. I wasn’t the only one who was offended by this behavior of the missionarys. Some of the attendees, members of the Catholic family, carried the literature over and dumped it on the table of the grrooms’ family, who were not mingling very much at all.

I thought, if this is the type of manners to be expected of the mormon missionaries in mixed company, then they may be capable of very many other rudenesses. but I realize they are just kids, and we all do rude things when we are kids, so hopefully it was accepted in that spirit and forgiven. but it left a very bad taste in my mouth for the missionaries, and made me believe that they are instructed to be singleminded even at the expense of being considered rude.

I see I have a lot more learning to do before I open my big mouth! Going back to lurk mode for awhile.

 

[RebeccaJ]

thank you Rebecca, that is very informative for me, all stuff I was not aware of. I did not realize that there was such a strain of mormons that are like that, i guess I assumed they are all in doctrinal lockstep.

My apologies again to whyme for anything I said that was unkind.

I see I have a lot more learning to do before I open my big mouth! Going back to lurk mode for awhile.

Most mormons are in lock-step, though, the lock-step isn’t so much doctrinal, as circle the wagons and defend whatever doctrine it is that you call mormon. As long as a mormon doesn’t teach whatever they assimilated as official doctrine, or speak out against the Brethren (mormon prophet and apostles), they can believe whatever the hell they like.

I do think whyme is trying to bring that to Catholicism, which should be guarded against.

 

[Aramis]

Catholics have proven themselves more arrogant and cold hearted than I thought possible.
A good man died yesterday. Have a bit of respect.

A man who may be doing the Devil’s work, knowingly or not, who leads people away from the Church founded by Christ, and against which “the gates of hell shall not prevail.”

From the Catholic point of view, he’s a LOT of sins on him, and the question becomes “Just how ignorant was this man?”

I doubt he’s headed for heaven, but I can’t be certain.

 

[Paul_G]

here’s the transcript
lds-mormon.com/lkl_00.shtml

in Christ
Steph

Ok, I have read through this interview, where is the part indicating that Pres. Hinckley said that we do not teach eternal progression. Also you said “… I was still a Mormon when I saw this interview. Seeing him lie on national television was one reason why I left.” In the transcript you linked me to can you point out what “lie” you heard that became part of the reason you left the Church.

Paul

 

[Paul_G]

Well Paul,

To be Christian, you have to be baptized using the formula from the NT.
Your church does not follow this practice.

Being baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost by one having the authority to do so, I believe we do.

To be Christian, you must follow the tradition of accepting what we call the Bible as the final testimony of God’s covenant with His People: the nations of the world. This is the NEW Covenant (foreshadowed in the account in Genesis with Abram/Abraham).

Your church does not believe this.

Scripture does not say that the Bible would be the final testimony of God’s covenant. So who are you referring to that makes such an authoritative claim?

To be Christian, you must believe in the triune God and that Jesus is NOT a separate entity from the “Heavenly Father.”

Your church does not believe this.

No it does not, although many have built their doctrines around this central point, it is not communicated in the New Testament, and can not be supported in any other way but by tradition.

To be Christian is to deny ALL of what your church teaches through its ‘scripture’ and its ‘prophets.’

No Christian denomination reads the Book of Mormon.

Now you’re just making thing up.

I hope this clears things up about why your faith, albeit intending to follow Christ, does not and is not considered Christian.

Robert

I appreciate the effort

Paul

 

[Jerusha]

Although I am Catholic I was raised to respect RLDS. They now call themselves “Community of Christ” and no longer believe that the Book of Mormon is sacred scripture. However, they still read it, because it is not all garbage. I think they’re getting very close to the mainstream of Christianity. I would call them “The Church that Chose to Recover from Mormonism Together”

 

[why_me]

I would be humored by your defense of mormon doctrine, in a Catholic church, after mass.

Last I checked, coffee drinking was not a doctrine or dogma of the Roman Catholic church.

Actually, I don’t defend mormonism at all after mass. I am a good catholic during the week, doing much work to further catholicism in the parish. This is the truth.

I do my bit to keep people holy.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Actually, I don’t defend mormonism at all after mass. I am a good catholic during the week, doing much work to further catholicism in the parish. This is the truth.

I do my bit to keep people holy.

I don’t believe anything you have to say whyme.

J_C disregard everything I said, you are probably closer to the truth than I.

 

[Jerusha]

I’ve seen this before. Here is WhyMe’s line of reasoning:

The Catholic Church is in apostasy.
The LDS Church is not in apostasy.
Therefore, the Catholic Church is not the Catholic Church,
And the LDS is the TRUE Catholic Church,
Therefore, as a member of the LDS Church, I, [whyme] have the right to call myself Catholic.

 

[J_C]

J_C disregard everything I said, you are probably closer to the truth than I.

you are right and rightly Christian to give him benefit of doubt. For my part I hold back full trust of anyone who says they are morman thinking about becoming Christian. most of my arguing time is spent among the fundamentalists and I’ve seen them do the same thing (whatistruth being a good recent example). They will come on as if they are investigating and try to lead you down a line of reasoning THEY THINK is an ironclad case for their sect. maybe i have developed a sense of smell for these, and I detected that aroma in whyme many months ago.

I have always wondered why the fibbers are usually found in the sects and not among the Catholics. Maybe it is because people who know the full truth do not have to disguise themselves while people who suspect in their hearts that their religion is counterfeit feel they have to sneak up on people.

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

Actually, I don’t defend mormonism at all after mass. I am a good catholic during the week, doing much work to further catholicism in the parish. This is the truth.

I do my bit to keep people holy.

whyme:

You are a lying, deceitful troll.

You haven’t the first idea of what it is to be Catholic.

You lie to troll for converts. You deceive to lead others to an unChristian faith.

Shame on you,

Robert

 

[Jash]

First I want to say I am surprised at how many opinions there are about our beliefs! Being a “Mormon,” I hope to clarify some of the questions that seem to be being asked on this site to the best of my knowledge. The main questions that seem to be getting asked are:

1. Original Hinkley Question.
2. Do we practice polygamy?
3. Will we have multiple wives after death?
4. What do we believe about god.

1. Gordon B. Hinkley is presently in the spirit world. There he will continue in the work of the lord, teaching and admonishing as he did in this life. He will serve as he did on earth as he awaits the first resurrection, the millennium, and the day of judgement.
2. No. We do not practice polygamy at present although it was practiced in the past.
3. I don’t know. I do know that only those sealed to you in the temple on this earth will be your wife after death. So if you are sealed to one you will only have one. Those who are sealed to more than one will have more than one predicated upon their righteousness.
4. We believe in God, the eternal Father, in his son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. They are three separate personages who are one in will and purpose. We also know that God the Father and his son are identical in likeness. If you have seen the son you have seen the father.

If I have been unclear in any of these explanations please let me know. I will be happy to respond to any questions asked.