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zaffiroborant
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According to this article in the DN the do use the word Trinity. Not only that but they misrepresent Catholic teaching on the subject. I find this whole article deceptive:
Mormons and the Holy Trinity
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Mormons and the Holy Trinity
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adamhovey1988
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I am so confused by Mormon doctrine. People consider the traditional understanding of the Trinity confusing, but I think the LDS church’s view of God (or is it gods? D & C and the Book of Mormon say different things, I think). So are Mormons Polytheists or Modalists? Are they henothesists? Who knows, because it’s whatever their modern prophet says, even if it contradicts the “truth” that has already revealed. I think it may be a good idea to pray for the conversion of Mormons.
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zaffiroborant
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Fairmormon.org is not an official site of the LDS church so one can not get definitive answers on LDS doctrine from the site. And the church recently fired a teacher from BYU for saying things they didn’t like, without bothering to correct anything he did say, so for me BYU is not reliable either.
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zaffiroborant
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This, of course, but leaves out the teaching that everyone (God, Jesus, you, me) has existed forever as an intelligence with the same traits they have now. They’ll crow about this elsewhere as solving the “problem of evil”.
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adamhovey1988
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Pre-existent spirit children. Sigh.
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RebeccaJ
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This is a non sequitur.
A description of pagan idols is a description of pagan idols. You make a giant leap to apply what something is not, to something completely different and claiming that is what it is.
God’s nature is Spirit, Love and like a consuming fire. Pneuma is well known in Catholic theological thought, and the descriptions from scripture say to us, a creative nature is being ascribed, or recognized. We understand God’s nature is Creator. Creator being more than an action. It is Who God is.
There is no Scripture or Tradition for Mormon ideas of a paganized, anthropomorphic God. The Hebrews, early on, thousands of millenia ago struggled with paganism and pagan ideas about God. God has revealed Himself, and Israel was brought by the Holy Spirit to understand God as singular. Finally, coming to understand the old pagan gods do not exist, at all.
The first half of Deuteronomy, the Hebrew struggle with paganism is still forefront. Post exilic Deuteronomy, Israel is firm in their understanding of One God. Complete and exclusive monotheism, with no wandering ideas about even the existence of other gods.
Mormonism seeks a regression. Rather than viewing the struggle with paganism as something that has been overcome, by the grace of God. Mormonism seeks to reintroduce that struggle, as a truth that has been lost.
Follow the example of God’s People, who God has brought to Himself and Himself alone. Forsake pagan notions of God, as Israel did long ago.
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CarolNoel
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Could someone tell me what LDS believe about non LDS and what heaven they go to after death? Thanks.
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adamhovey1988
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If they are moral, terrestrial kingdom, if they are wicked, telestial kingdom. I think that’s correct.
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RebeccaJ
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If the soul of the dead accepts a Mormon proxy baptism, then celestial. Celestial is then itself split, to realms of married and not married, gods/goddesses and servants of them.
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adamhovey1988
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Now, we can start another thread about proxy Baptism, but nah. If Mormons believe that you can accept the Mormon Gospel in the afterlife, then why do they want people to become LDS during this lifetime?
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zaffiroborant
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No the intelligences that existed before the spirit children.
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adamhovey1988
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I am seeing a serious continuity error in LDS thought process
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RebeccaJ
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It’s about the same as a deathbed baptism. Why not wait until then?
With Mormons you would be better off not hearing about their religion until after you died.Also, I don’t see the point of this life, if, after you’re dead the entire life you led is essentially wiped out, by accepting a proxy baptism. An example, people we view as holy and now Saints, Mormons proxy baptize them, essentially, it says their life didn’t matter. All they need to be is Mormon. Proxy baptize a Saint or Hitler. It’s all the same to them.
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gazelam
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In a nutshell, anyone who would have embraced the Gospel of Jesus Christ in this life were they to have had the opportunity will receive Eternal Life. Also, all children who died before they are accountable for their actions will receive Eternal Life.
I hope this helps.
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RebeccaJ
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Wait, Only the ones you list have the possibility of becoming gods/goddesses. Those in the telestial and terrestrial kingdoms have eternal life. But they cannot become gods/goddesses.
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LivingWaters7
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LDS believe that when we die, before the resurrection, we all go to the spirit world. The spirit world has two divisions: paradise and prison. Non-LDS go to prison. LDS believe in post-mortal evangelization and ordinances. LDS believe that those that did not have the chance to accept the “restored Gospel” in this life will have that opportunity in the next. They also believe that ordinances require physical bodies, so all ordinances are performed in their temples for the deceased. Baptism, confirmation, priesthood ordination (for men), endowment, and sealing are all performed for the dead in LDS temples. They believe that performing such ordinances gives the deceased person the opportunity to accept or reject the ordinance performed on their behalf. This is all also based on the belief that only the LDS church has valid priesthood ordination and authority, and therefore only LDS baptisms and all other ordinances are valid.
So, a non-LDS person could die, go to prison, then accept proxy ordinances performed here on their behalf.
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adamhovey1988
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Or Stalin. Or Mao. Or Pol Pot.It’s about the same as a deathbed baptism. Why not wait until then?
Also, I don’t see the point of this life, if, after you’re dead the entire life you led is essentially wiped out, by accepting a proxy baptism. An example, people we view as holy and now Saints, Mormons proxy baptize them, essentially, it says their life didn’t matter. All they need to be is Mormon. Proxy baptize a Saint or Hitler. It’s all the same to them.
Or Blessed Mother Teresa, because, as you say, it’s all the same to them. Now, I bet they wouldn’t proxy-baptize the Apostles. Because they think they would have held LDS doctrine. But since they’re wrong (no evidence Jesus was the founded of the LDS movement), shouldn’t they proxy baptize the apostles?
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RebeccaJ
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The process is from the ground up, meaning any LDS member can submit any name, and they do. The BVM was proxy baptized and sealed as a spouse to the Mormon Heavenly Father in 2009. Why any Mormon would think that is necessary is beyond me.
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adamhovey1988
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Well that kind of disproves the “Mormons are Christian” argument. Wait, in Mormon theology, that would make God a Polygamist! (As I recall, there’s the “Heavenly Mother”)
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iepuras
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There are probably many heavenly mothers, which would explain why the LDS church doesn’t like to talk about her/them. That would be a difficult lesson to give the teenage girls.
Also, someone proxy baptized Jesus and had Mary Magdalen and Martha sealed to him as plural wives. I guess the baptism performed by John the Baptist just wasn’t good enough for the Son of God.
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