What do Mormons believe?

[adamhovey1988]

There are probably many heavenly mothers, which would explain why the LDS church doesn’t like to talk about her/them. That would be a difficult lesson to give the teenage girls.

Also, someone proxy baptized Jesus and had Mary Magdalen and Martha sealed to him as plural wives. I guess the baptism performed by John the Baptist just wasn’t good enough for the Son of God.

Have ya noticed our LDS friends have gotten silent?
Since this was about what they believe, shouldn’t they be more involved?
What about other Mormons, like FLDS? Or the Community of Christ? Or the Remnant Church of LDS? Or the Strangites? Or the Culerites? I have actually heard that Community of Christ has a traditional Christian understanding of the Trinity.

 

[Horton]

Now, we can start another thread about proxy Baptism, but nah. If Mormons believe that you can accept the Mormon Gospel in the afterlife, then why do they want people to become LDS during this lifetime?

Dead people can’t pay their 10%.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Dead people can’t pay their 10%.

Well, maybe that’s why they don’t visit me. Ten percent of nothing is still nothing
:whacky:

 

[JaminB123]

Could someone tell me what LDS believe about non LDS and what heaven they go to after death? Thanks.

The Mormon view of the afterlife is pretty rosy. We either go to the celestial kingdom (“first class” heaven), the terrestrial kingdom (“business class” heaven), or the telestial kingdom (“coach”). First-class heaven is for true-believing Mormons who have paid their tithing, had temple marriages, and otherwise did everything a TBM should have done. Business class heaven is for the good people who didn’t quite measure up. Coach is for the rest of the riffraff who aren’t fundamentally evil, but deeply sinful.

For those who are fundamentally evil (say, a Jeffery Dahmer-type who finally refuses to repent), you go to outer darkness. Most of us wind up with a resurrected body in the telestial kingdom, which is the lowest rung of heaven but still a degree of glory.

I’m an ex-Mormon, now-Catholic… so I’m probably destined for the celestial kingdom. I belong in coach for rejecting Joseph Smith but I’m not so evil as deserving outer darkness since I do genuinely try to be a good person and follow God to the best of my ability.

My brother-in-law is a Mormon bishop who pays his 10%, sends his kids on missions, and doesn’t drink coffee, so he’s your first class heaven guy.

You get the idea…

 

[adamhovey1988]

The Mormon view of the afterlife is pretty rosy. We either go to the celestial kingdom (“first class” heaven), the terrestrial kingdom (“business class” heaven), or the telestial kingdom (“coach”). First-class heaven is for true-believing Mormons who have paid their tithing, had temple marriages, and otherwise did everything a TBM should have done. Business class heaven is for the good people who didn’t quite measure up. Coach is for the rest of the riffraff who aren’t fundamentally evil, but deeply sinful.

For those who are fundamentally evil (say, a Jeffery Dahmer-type who finally refuses to repent), you go to outer darkness. Most of us wind up with a resurrected body in the telestial kingdom, which is the lowest rung of heaven but still a degree of glory.

I’m an ex-Mormon, now-Catholic… so I’m probably destined for the celestial kingdom. I belong in coach for rejecting Joseph Smith but I’m not so evil as deserving outer darkness since I do genuinely try to be a good person and follow God to the best of my ability.

My brother-in-law is a Mormon bishop who pays his 10%, sends his kids on missions, and doesn’t drink coffee, so he’s your first class heaven guy.

You get the idea…

No Coffee! That is the doctrine of demons!

 

[JaminB123]

No Coffee! That is the doctrine of demons!

Yes, but to be fair to the Mormons… I do drink a LOT of coffee.

In all seriousness, this does point to a severe moral disconnect within Mormonism. I’ve talked with Mormons who will defend polygamy, polyandry, and even divorce (all three morally wrong by the Christian view) with great passion, yet these same people would never dream of drinking a nice cold glass of iced tea or iced coffee on a hot summer day, which to any reasonable person is a morally neutral act at worst. This disconnect is bewildering to me, but to the Mormons I know, it makes perfect sense. I guess that’s the difference between Christian morality and Mormon morality.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Yes, but to be fair to the Mormons… I do drink a LOT of coffee.

In all seriousness, this does point to a severe moral disconnect within Mormonism. I’ve talked with Mormons who will defend polygamy, polyandry, and even divorce (all three morally wrong by the Christian view) with great passion, yet these same people would never dream of drinking a nice cold glass of iced tea or iced coffee on a hot summer day, which to any reasonable person is a morally neutral act at worst. This disconnect is bewildering to me, but to the Mormons I know, it makes perfect sense. I guess that’s the difference between Christian morality and Mormon morality.

Geez, you should see how much coffee I drink most weekdays. Speaking of consumption. What exactly is a fast offering? I know that is a Mormon thing but I have no idea what it means.

 

[CarolNoel]

If the soul of the dead accepts a Mormon proxy baptism, then celestial. Celestial is then itself split, to realms of married and not married, gods/goddesses and servants of them.

I see. Thanks for the info. Rebecca.

 

[CarolNoel]

In a nutshell, anyone who would have embraced the Gospel of Jesus Christ in this life were they to have had the opportunity will receive Eternal Life. Also, all children who died before they are accountable for their actions will receive Eternal Life.

I hope this helps.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

 

[CarolNoel]

LDS believe that when we die, before the resurrection, we all go to the spirit world. The spirit world has two divisions: paradise and prison. Non-LDS go to prison. LDS believe in post-mortal evangelization and ordinances. LDS believe that those that did not have the chance to accept the “restored Gospel” in this life will have that opportunity in the next. They also believe that ordinances require physical bodies, so all ordinances are performed in their temples for the deceased. Baptism, confirmation, priesthood ordination (for men), endowment, and sealing are all performed for the dead in LDS temples. They believe that performing such ordinances gives the deceased person the opportunity to accept or reject the ordinance performed on their behalf. This is all also based on the belief that only the LDS church has valid priesthood ordination and authority, and therefore only LDS baptisms and all other ordinances are valid.

So, a non-LDS person could die, go to prison, then accept proxy ordinances performed here on their behalf.

Thanks for the information.

 

[CarolNoel]

The Mormon view of the afterlife is pretty rosy. We either go to the celestial kingdom (“first class” heaven), the terrestrial kingdom (“business class” heaven), or the telestial kingdom (“coach”). First-class heaven is for true-believing Mormons who have paid their tithing, had temple marriages, and otherwise did everything a TBM should have done. Business class heaven is for the good people who didn’t quite measure up. Coach is for the rest of the riffraff who aren’t fundamentally evil, but deeply sinful.

For those who are fundamentally evil (say, a Jeffery Dahmer-type who finally refuses to repent), you go to outer darkness. Most of us wind up with a resurrected body in the telestial kingdom, which is the lowest rung of heaven but still a degree of glory.

I’m an ex-Mormon, now-Catholic… so I’m probably destined for the celestial kingdom. I belong in coach for rejecting Joseph Smith but I’m not so evil as deserving outer darkness since I do genuinely try to be a good person and follow God to the best of my ability.

My brother-in-law is a Mormon bishop who pays his 10%, sends his kids on missions, and doesn’t drink coffee, so he’s your first class heaven guy.

You get the idea…

Thank you also for your comments.

 

[Janderich]

Geez, you should see how much coffee I drink most weekdays. Speaking of consumption. What exactly is a fast offering? I know that is a Mormon thing but I have no idea what it means.

It is money given to the church to used to help members in need. We normally fast two meals once a month and give the money we would have spent. Isaiah speaks of the fast and it’s purpose:

Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh? Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy reward. (Isa 58:6-8) (

 

[iepuras]

The Mormon view of the afterlife is pretty rosy. We either go to the celestial kingdom (“first class” heaven), the terrestrial kingdom (“business class” heaven), or the telestial kingdom (“coach”). First-class heaven is for true-believing Mormons who have paid their tithing, had temple marriages, and otherwise did everything a TBM should have done. Business class heaven is for the good people who didn’t quite measure up. Coach is for the rest of the riffraff who aren’t fundamentally evil, but deeply sinful.

For those who are fundamentally evil (say, a Jeffery Dahmer-type who finally refuses to repent), you go to outer darkness. Most of us wind up with a resurrected body in the telestial kingdom, which is the lowest rung of heaven but still a degree of glory.

I’m an ex-Mormon, now-Catholic… so I’m probably destined for the celestial kingdom. I belong in coach for rejecting Joseph Smith but I’m not so evil as deserving outer darkness since I do genuinely try to be a good person and follow God to the best of my ability.

My brother-in-law is a Mormon bishop who pays his 10%, sends his kids on missions, and doesn’t drink coffee, so he’s your first class heaven guy.

You get the idea…

But will there be coffee in coach? So long as there is coffee on coach, I will be ok with that.

I do wonder where us ex-Mormons go. LDS teachings are not entirely clear on that point. Since we reject our Mormon baptism and other ordinances, does that mean we go to outer darkness? Or do we get relegated to the telestial no matter how moral we are otherwise? Is there a possibility for terrestrial if we are good? Do only apostate men do to outer darkness to become Sons of Perdition? I’ve never heard the term “Daughters of Perdition”, so maybe the ladies don’t go to outer darkness at all. Or as a female ex-Mormon, will I be sent to the celestial kingdom anyway to be a plural wife as punishment?

 

[Marie5890]

But will there be coffee in coach? So long as there is coffee on coach, I will be ok with that.

I do wonder where us ex-Mormons go. LDS teachings are not entirely clear on that point. Since we reject our Mormon baptism and other ordinances, does that mean we go to outer darkness? Or do we get relegated to the telestial no matter how moral we are otherwise? Is there a possibility for terrestrial if we are good? Do only apostate men do to outer darkness to become Sons of Perdition? I’ve never heard the term “Daughters of Perdition”, so maybe the ladies don’t go to outer darkness at all. Or as a female ex-Mormon, will I be sent to the celestial kingdom anyway to be a plural wife as punishment?

My understanding is that we former Mormons would only qualify for “outter darkness” if we denied the Holy Ghost after having a sure knowledge (ie received second anointing, ie second endowment)

(From Wiki for what it’s worth)

“Those in mortal life who “deny the Holy Ghost,” which is generally interpreted as rejecting and denying Christ after receiving a personal witness and a “perfect knowledge” of Jesus and that mere faith or belief in him is not enough. Joseph Smith, Jr. taught:
All sins shall be forgiven, except the sin against the Holy Ghost; for Jesus will save all except the sons of perdition. What must a man do to commit the unpardonable sin? He must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened unto him, and know God, and then sin against him. After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him. He has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it.[4]”

 

[adamhovey1988]

My understanding is that we former Mormons would only qualify for “outter darkness” if we denied the Holy Ghost after having a sure knowledge (ie received second anointing, ie second endowment)

(From Wiki for what it’s worth)

“Those in mortal life who “deny the Holy Ghost,” which is generally interpreted as rejecting and denying Christ after receiving a personal witness and a “perfect knowledge” of Jesus and that mere faith or belief in him is not enough. Joseph Smith, Jr. taught:
All sins shall be forgiven, except the sin against the Holy Ghost; for Jesus will save all except the sons of perdition. What must a man do to commit the unpardonable sin? He must receive the Holy Ghost, have the heavens opened unto him, and know God, and then sin against him. After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him. He has got to say that the sun does not shine while he sees it; he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened unto him, and to deny the plan of salvation with his eyes open to the truth of it.[4]”

I am curious what they would say about this guyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Gary_Bishop

 

[Marie5890]

I am curious what they would say about this guyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Gary_Bishop

Telestial kingdom. I highly doubt he ever receive the so-called “second anointing”

Telestial kingdom is for murders and other such.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Telestial kingdom. I highly doubt he ever receive the so-called “second anointing”

Telestial kingdom is for murders and other such.

I think it said he was ex-communicated, how would that fit in with that?

 

[Marie5890]

I think it said he was ex-communicated, how would that fit in with that?

It wouldn’t.

From what I remember from a religion class I had at BYU taught by Bruce R McConkie’s sister, (BRM was a member of the Q of 12) in order to be a son of perdision and sent to outter darkness one MUST have had their calling and election made sure (ie second annointing) because only then you are given a “sure knowledge of the truth” and thus are in a position to “deny the more sure word”

The only way one can commit the Unpardonable sin is to have had the second annointing first.

 

[adamhovey1988]

It wouldn’t.

From what I remember from a religion class I had at BYU taught by Bruce R McConkie’s sister, (BRM was a member of the Q of 12) in order to be a son of perdision and sent to outter darkness one MUST have had their calling and election made sure (ie second annointing) because only then you are given a “sure knowledge of the truth” and thus are in a position to “deny the more sure word”

The only way one can commit the Unpardonable sin is to have had the second annointing first.

Okay, so may I teach a class at Brigham Young University on archeology? I have absolutely no degree in it and, while an interest to some extent, have no reason to pursue it. I mean, I am totally unqualified, but I would think that I’d be perfect for that job then!

 

[Marie5890]

Okay, so may I teach a class at Brigham Young University on archeology? I have absolutely no degree in it and, while an interest to some extent, have no reason to pursue it. I mean, I am totally unqualified, but I would think that I’d be perfect for that job then!

Im not following your line of reasoning?