What do Muslim parents teach their children about Christianity?

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Sister_Amy said:
I am not the one who is having difficulty understanding what I’m saying.
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of course not, otherwise your sanity will be questioned 🙂 but not everyone understands a sentence like : So many prophets of Islam, and stories of Islam, are in the Bible, simply because the Bible existed before Islam/Quran/Muhammad and there is no Islam without “and Muhammad is his messenger”. If by Islam you mean submitting to God, the Bible doesn’t need Muhammad as well since the ones who submit to God are the ones who believe in His words, not people who call them corrupt because of a single man.
 
ralphinal said:
I think that inJesus is saying that in order for the story of Noah to have been missing the parts about him saying he is Muslim, the Jews must have known that 1,000 years later, there would be Muhammed and Islam.
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indeed. Seems Jews and Christians, specially Paul are all-knowing and omnipotent. Or rather, all of humanity conspired against Muhammad before his birth.
 
Sister_Amy said:
that’s not what i asked about. I asked why didn’t Jesus expose this famous corruption of scriptures, and your answer was that “not everything Jesus said is recorded”, yet you forgot that Jesus never ever said that the scriptures were corrupt, on the contrary. So how come Jesus didn’t expose it? or did He but Christians sided with Jews instead of Jesus? what is your answer/logic/argument?
I accept and believe in the scripture which Allah has revealed and preserved.
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i know, but you didn’t answer about the image and wisdom of Allah that you portray when you claim what you claim. A claim is easily made, but it has consequences and they are sometimes disastrous, and the image of the deity you are preaching is disastrous, a deity who is below faithfullness and sovereinty, who allows people to elevate his standards yet curse those who believe these high standards. We are not talking about a moody kid, or a wacko adolescent, nor a sadistic adult, we are talking about the faithful and sovereign God who thwarts the plans of the wicked.
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ralphinal said:
Why are they not there?

If the same God told Muhammed the story that Noah prayed to, why is the story not the same?
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Perhaps they were just lost in time, accidentally left out. There’s lots of things that could have happened without assuming malicious intent.
 
inJESUS said:
whose words are in bracket?
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The translator’s, obviously. To prevent people like yourself from drawing the wrong conclusion from that particular ayah.
am asking why would Jews delete Noah’s call to Islam unless they were all-knowing and forsaw the coming of Muhammad? like, why didn’t the Jews delete all the Biblical verses Christians use regarding Jesus if they were so all-knowing? only when it comes to Muhammad they interfere?
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I think this is called a straw-man, isn’t it? I never said the Jews deleted anything.
we have the OT and NT, you have none. You aren’t submitting to God but to Muhammad because God says, before Muhammad, that His words stand forever and we have the OT because Jesus called it God’s words. You are insulting both God, and Jesus whom you consider a prophet, unless you believe Jesus exposed the corruption but Christians sided with Jews.
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I have the Qur’an, silly.
the Jews who corrupted, before Muhammad came into existence, obviously, because after he preached what he preached, if Jews corrupted, our OT will expose them.
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You realize they have the same OT, don’t you? Anyway, I never said anything about Jews corrupting anything, and don’t know why you’re going on about it in the first place.
 
inJESUS said:
of course not, otherwise your sanity will be questioned 🙂 but not everyone understands a sentence like : So many prophets of Islam, and stories of Islam, are in the Bible, simply because the Bible existed before Islam/Quran/Muhammad and there is no Islam without “and Muhammad is his messenger”. If by Islam you mean submitting to God, the Bible doesn’t need Muhammad as well since the ones who submit to God are the ones who believe in His words, not people who call them corrupt because of a single man.
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Who is corrupt?
 
inJESUS said:
that’s not what i asked about. I asked why didn’t Jesus expose this famous corruption of scriptures, and your answer was that “not everything Jesus said is recorded”, yet you forgot that Jesus never ever said that the scriptures were corrupt, on the contrary. So how come Jesus didn’t expose it? or did He but Christians sided with Jews instead of Jesus? what is your answer/logic/argument?
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I don’t see how this is related at all. How on earth can you possibly prove Jesus didn’t say something, or that he should’ve said something, or why? The mind boggles.
i know, but you didn’t answer about the image and wisdom of Allah that you portray when you claim what you claim. A claim is easily made, but it has consequences and they are sometimes disastrous, and the image of the deity you are preaching is disastrous, a deity who is below faithfullness and sovereinty, who allows people to elevate his standards yet curse those who believe these high standards. We are not talking about a moody kid, or a wacko adolescent, nor a sadistic adult, we are talking about the faithful and sovereign God who thwarts the plans of the wicked.
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I look at scripture with different assumptions and biases than you. If you want to assume what you believe is true while trying to examine my position, and then get stuck, it’s not my problem. Really.
 
While I find all of this discussion fascinating (and that is not sarcastic, I really do!🙂 ), none of it addresses my original question. Unless all of this discussion is an example of conversations in Muslim households?😉
 
Sister_Amy said:
Perhaps they were just lost in time, accidentally left out. There’s lots of things that could have happened without assuming malicious intent.
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All of them assume that God had no power or took no action to insure that things weren’t left out. Right?
 
Sister_Amy said:
All of what? And why?
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If you say that things were left out of the story of Noah, for example, and these things were important, you are implying that God either had no ability to keep it from happening or he chose to allow important information to vanish from the story.
 
ralphinal said:
If you say that things were left out of the story of Noah, for example, and these things were important, you are implying that God either had no ability to keep it from happening or he chose to allow important information to vanish from the story.
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Huh?

If someone dies, does that mean that God had no power to prevent that death? Of course not.
 
Jay53 said:
I’m curious, I’ve read some statements in these forums that some Muslims think Christians believe in 3 gods since we believe in the Trinity. Is this what the majority of Muslims (not the extremists) teach their children (either at home or in school) about Christianity? And is this why there is so much animosity towards us - they think we are blaspheming their allah? If so, why aren’t the intelligent Muslims who actually understand Christianity and the Trinity correcting this gross misinformation? (I’ve seen the Trinity explained to other Muslim posters on these forums and some of them still don’t seem to get it - are they being deliberately obtuse, or is there something else that I’m not getting?) :confused: 🤷

Thanks.
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  1. Muslims don’t teach their children anything about christianity. they couldn find the time to teach islam, let alone Christianity.
2- There is no animosity towards Christians. It towards countries that oppress them or defame them. if they are christians then it just happened to be that way.
  1. without going much into details of the trinity and how to explain it, one of the simple reason muslims don’t believ in the trinity is that it is really not needed. Chrisians say god is one. Fine , we say that too. Full stop. Christians themselves can choose to describe the trinity as 3 persons or 3 parts or 3 characters or 3 sides or 3 entities of the same God. that is also fine. But muslims don’t need this and i am sure if God is really One God with trinitarian nature he wouldnt mind us simply beleiving in one God . I mean the jews believe exactly like the muslims any way.
4- When you believe in teh trinity you are not blasheming Allah. ( which is the name arabs and aramaic give to the God of Abraham) . we believe that Christians are forming their own understanding of God , in our opinion it is incorrect and it is including other separate creations like Jesus or the Holy Ghost to be of devine nature same as God is . Thus equating a creation with God ( which somthing God is never fond of in muslim belief )

The Christian God is called Jesus or I AM and he has 3 …( add what you like here ) . This god is a Christian God . Muslims don’t regard this shape of God to be their god that hey would feel christians blaspheming for .

5- Muslims don’t get that god has a trinitarian nature just like they wouldnt get god has 4 natures or 5 or 6 or 7 natures . it is controversial , risky , seems not needed, and the concept of a simple God is more logical and accepted to the mind.

6- There is alot that doesnt make sense in the christian narative , imagine the following dialogue inside a muslim mind
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''God sacrifices his own son for the sins of man .

Did he really sacrifice him?

No , his son died for 3 days and then he got up again.

But his son died on the cross a horrible death

yeah but so many c.r.a.p happened on this earth to so many people with so many horrible ways that is much more than bieng nailed on the cross.

but his son fealt pain !

imagine the pain of bieng eaten by a lion while alive , or by bieng burnt to death or bieng electricuted etc,…

But his son is holy

So?! i must have been easy for the holy son to take the pain knowing that he will be back in 3 days . since he is part of God . or even God himself , he must have known .

No he didn’t know.

Then he is separate person from the eprson who brought him back to life , if they were the same person he surly must have known .

jesus died to bear our sins.

God can forgive sins without anybody dying, he is the most generous. sometimes he demands sacrifice from humans to test their faith. But Gods mercy doesnt necessitate sacrifice…

In the bible jesus saidwords that imply hat he is god

In the bible as well he said and did things many times that just denies he can be God. Like praying to God or asking the man who came to him to ONLY call God good and no himself ( jesus).
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the above is just what comes to mind

hope i answered yr question
 
Sister_Amy said:
I don’t see how this is related at all. How on earth can you possibly prove Jesus didn’t

say something, or that he should’ve said something, or why? The mind boggles.
why is it mind boggling? Jesus did not teach/expose/say that the scriptures are corrupt, that’s it.
I look at scripture with different assumptions and biases than you. If you want to assume what you believe is true while trying to examine my position, and then get stuck, it’s not my problem. Really.
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Good Meedo. It is one thing to say you do not define God as Father, Word and Spirit ( because it is simpler to the mind or whatever reason), but it is another to equate it with polytheism or associating partners with God. We have to define it as such because we believe in Jesus and who He said He is, and we cannot talk about God without the Word or the Holy Spirit, because that’s what He revealed- You do not believe Jesus is the Word of God, or that He has no biological father for a reason, and you believe the Holy Spirit is an angel, fine since you are no Christians nor follow the OT and NT, but it doesn’t mean we believe in 3 gods- The Holy Spirit isn’t a Christian invention, and the Word is important in Christian belief because of Jesus, though the roots are Jewish so it isn’t the “Christian” God but the revelations of both OT and NT, and allow me to remind you that it is not simple to believe the Quran is the eternal and uncreated word of Allah yet not Allah, but it doesn’t mean we accuse you of polytheism.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Is that really what I’m saying?
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If you claim that Noah was the first Muslm, and that Islam is taught in the Bible, and I can find neither thing there, yes, it is what you are saying.

Unless you are saying that Islam is not important to anyones salvation
 
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