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Truthstalker
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So I ask myself. Stumped. What do you do with it?
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AngelRose81
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I don’t think Protestants acknowledge ANY Marian apparations, at least none of the Protestants I know do…
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Truthstalker
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What do you mean by acknowledge?
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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Protestants can not acknowledge any Marian apparition. It contradicts their faith. Unlike Catholics, who can accept or deny Marian apparitions and still be Catholic, Protestants have no choice in the matter. The day they accept any Marian apparition is the day they stop being Protestant.
That’s what happens when you idolize the bible; You put a limit on what God can do.
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bluestarsneyes
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Help me out here…so Lourdes is a vision or visitation of Mary?
I think the tone in the previous comment is simply insulting to Protestants. It’s too broad of comments and simply I’m not sure if this thread really wanted a response or was a baiting question.
Either way…as a raised Protestant/Possibly Converting Catholic…I am not against the idea of Mary coming in visions to people. I don’t see how this contradicts with any teachings of the Protestant religions I’ve been to in the past Methodist, Lutheran, Angelican…and well maybe the Baptist would be offended…lol…j/k
Mary is the mother of Jesus…if she’d want to visit me…I’m SURE I’d listen…and would think that it would be from God…otherwise seems like Satan would use someone more interesting to impersonate…like Paris Hilton…sorry kidding again! Gah this site is so serious sometimes!
I think the tone in the previous comment is simply insulting to Protestants. It’s too broad of comments and simply I’m not sure if this thread really wanted a response or was a baiting question.
Either way…as a raised Protestant/Possibly Converting Catholic…I am not against the idea of Mary coming in visions to people. I don’t see how this contradicts with any teachings of the Protestant religions I’ve been to in the past Methodist, Lutheran, Angelican…and well maybe the Baptist would be offended…lol…j/k
Mary is the mother of Jesus…if she’d want to visit me…I’m SURE I’d listen…and would think that it would be from God…otherwise seems like Satan would use someone more interesting to impersonate…like Paris Hilton…sorry kidding again! Gah this site is so serious sometimes!
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bluestarsneyes
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What and where do you base this information on? Just curious and if you say Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell I might have to laugh!
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episcogirl
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Did you know there is a PROTESTANT group called the Society of Mary? (societies.anglican.org/anglocatholic/som/aboutsociety.htm)
Talk to some anglo-catholics (read here especially Oxford Movement Episcopalians) and they believe in things like the Assumption, the Coronation, etc. The Episcopal Church I went to in Texas most certainly accepted Lourdes. We said Hail Marys between stations when doing Stations of the Cross during Lent. Even more mainstream Episcopals such as the church I attend (which, "coincidentally is St. Mary’s Episcopal Church
) subscribe to the basic beliefs about Mary and miracles at places like Lourdes.
So, you can’t lump “all” Protestant denominations together by any means.
Talk to some anglo-catholics (read here especially Oxford Movement Episcopalians) and they believe in things like the Assumption, the Coronation, etc. The Episcopal Church I went to in Texas most certainly accepted Lourdes. We said Hail Marys between stations when doing Stations of the Cross during Lent. Even more mainstream Episcopals such as the church I attend (which, "coincidentally is St. Mary’s Episcopal Church
) subscribe to the basic beliefs about Mary and miracles at places like Lourdes.So, you can’t lump “all” Protestant denominations together by any means.
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O.S.Luke
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What a bigoted (and untrue) statement.
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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It’s a bit hard for me to answer that question.
How about if I set up a challenge instead;
If you can find me one Protestant Web site that acknowledges a Marian apparition, I’ll show you a thousand that deny it. (Well, a thousand might be a bit much, but I’ll show you plenty.)
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Charlie_Zeaiter
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Ok, I suppose that’s fair enough.
But I am disappointed that no Protestant has answered the poll in this thread yet.
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episcogirl
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I would answer your poll, but I can’t find an answer that fits how I react to Lourdes…:whacky:
I can accept and believe in Marian visitations and so on. I know many Episcopalians who pray the rosary, and not necessarily the Anglican one…
Maybe I am just “Catholic Lite”
I can accept and believe in Marian visitations and so on. I know many Episcopalians who pray the rosary, and not necessarily the Anglican one…
Maybe I am just “Catholic Lite”
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A.Pelliccio
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Well it is hard to described the 30,000+ Prod denominations, which are often diametrically opposed to one another on the theological spectrum. One is right in saying that most Prod groups deny the ever - virginity of the Blessed Mother or her unique role in our salvation. The obvious exception to this is most High Anglicans and others. But then again you have the overwhelming majority of Prods who lump the Virgin Mary in with the rest of us, the evangelicals, bapitsts, etc. Its all how you define your particular flavor of Christianity. Protestantism … 30,000 different flavors, even Ben and Jerry’s cant compete!
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Cat
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I was evangelical Protestant for 47 years.
Most evangelical Protestants believe the Marian apparitions are pure superstition. Most evangelical Protestants believe that Mary was just another Christian who is is dead, in heaven, and that she will never, ever be seen on this earth again. They believe this about ALL Christians who have died. They believe that ANY manifestation of a human being who has passed on is probably a demon who is impersonating the dead person.
In other words, they believe that Catholics are being “flim flammed” by Satan during these supposed “Marian apparitions.”
Furthermore, most evangelical Protestants have never read anything about Lourdes or any Marian or saintly apparition, so they really don’t have enough information.
It is possible that Pentecostal/charismatic Protestants might give a different answer. This group of Protestants is much more open to miracles. However, most Protestants, except for those who have fallen in with the “New Age” teachings, believe that manifestations of humans who have passed on are Satanic deceptions or human hallucinations.
I will ask this question on a Protestant online forum and report back to you.
Most evangelical Protestants believe the Marian apparitions are pure superstition. Most evangelical Protestants believe that Mary was just another Christian who is is dead, in heaven, and that she will never, ever be seen on this earth again. They believe this about ALL Christians who have died. They believe that ANY manifestation of a human being who has passed on is probably a demon who is impersonating the dead person.
In other words, they believe that Catholics are being “flim flammed” by Satan during these supposed “Marian apparitions.”
Furthermore, most evangelical Protestants have never read anything about Lourdes or any Marian or saintly apparition, so they really don’t have enough information.
It is possible that Pentecostal/charismatic Protestants might give a different answer. This group of Protestants is much more open to miracles. However, most Protestants, except for those who have fallen in with the “New Age” teachings, believe that manifestations of humans who have passed on are Satanic deceptions or human hallucinations.
I will ask this question on a Protestant online forum and report back to you.
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AngelRose81
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I think that is what I was trying to say
Thanks!
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episcogirl
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Why does the phrase “Protestants can not acknowledge any Marian apparition. It contradicts their faith.” keep coming up?
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Why can’t Protestants acknowledge a Marian apparition? I have already demonstrated that there a Protestant organization devoted to Mary!!! The Society of Mary! “The Society of Mary was formed in 1931 by the union of its parent societies, the Confraternity of Our Lady (founded in 1880) and the League of Our Lady (founded in 1902). It has members all over the world and is not confined to Anglicans alone. In 1962 a group of American priests, knowing of two Wards functioning in the Episcopal Church and affiliated with the parent body, received permission from the General Council in England to set up a regional organization in the United States.”
I also have demonstrated Episcopal Churches celebrating the use of the rosary. And the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, which we know properly to be the conception of Mary and not of Jesus.
Ummmm…do you guys just keep ignoring me because I don’t fit in with your “everybody else hates Catholics” worldview? I’m getting very frustrated and upset!
Oh, and by the way, I accepted Marian visitations and apparitions when I was Catholic, and now that I’m Episcopal, it does not stop me. And as far as being Protestant, I think Episcopals can be classified as such, having been a kind of offshoot from the Church of England (I guess we “colonists” couldn’t continue calling ourselves the “Church of England” once we revolted, now could we?) which separated from the Roman Church, “protesting.”
So, does that make me a closet Catholic? I think not. I am a Protestant that not only accepts but believes in Marian apparitions. I pray the rosary daily, in fact, I pray a regular Catholic rosary more often than I pray the Anglican one because I find it easier (have you ever tried to look up Anglican rosary/prayer bead information online? Nobody can agree on how to use them, which is both a blessing and a curse!) and also I like to meditate on the Mysteries. Plus it is only appropriate as Mary is my church’s patron saint.
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Why can’t Protestants acknowledge a Marian apparition? I have already demonstrated that there a Protestant organization devoted to Mary!!! The Society of Mary! “The Society of Mary was formed in 1931 by the union of its parent societies, the Confraternity of Our Lady (founded in 1880) and the League of Our Lady (founded in 1902). It has members all over the world and is not confined to Anglicans alone. In 1962 a group of American priests, knowing of two Wards functioning in the Episcopal Church and affiliated with the parent body, received permission from the General Council in England to set up a regional organization in the United States.”
I also have demonstrated Episcopal Churches celebrating the use of the rosary. And the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, which we know properly to be the conception of Mary and not of Jesus.
Ummmm…do you guys just keep ignoring me because I don’t fit in with your “everybody else hates Catholics” worldview? I’m getting very frustrated and upset!
Oh, and by the way, I accepted Marian visitations and apparitions when I was Catholic, and now that I’m Episcopal, it does not stop me. And as far as being Protestant, I think Episcopals can be classified as such, having been a kind of offshoot from the Church of England (I guess we “colonists” couldn’t continue calling ourselves the “Church of England” once we revolted, now could we?) which separated from the Roman Church, “protesting.”
So, does that make me a closet Catholic? I think not. I am a Protestant that not only accepts but believes in Marian apparitions. I pray the rosary daily, in fact, I pray a regular Catholic rosary more often than I pray the Anglican one because I find it easier (have you ever tried to look up Anglican rosary/prayer bead information online? Nobody can agree on how to use them, which is both a blessing and a curse!) and also I like to meditate on the Mysteries. Plus it is only appropriate as Mary is my church’s patron saint.
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O.S.Luke
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And an agreement with a bigoted and untrue statement.I think that is what I was trying to say
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episcogirl
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A very bigoted statement, IMHO.
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episcogirl
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And I notice you did not respond to the REST of my post in which this snippet occurred…
And, I tried to “respond” to your poll YET you did not even give an option for “believing in Lourdes” or some such other poll answer option that would even give a Protestant the opportunity to respond in that matter.
Who’s limiting God now? Huh? If God’s omnipotent can’t He make a Protestant believe in Lourdes and Marian apparitions? Huh?
Some VERY bigoted statements are going around in this thread…
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ncgolf
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You must admit though you are in the minority … there are always exceptions and you are probably more devoted to our Lady than many Catholics. Most protestant denominations though have little use for the devotion Catholicism has for the Mother of God … that being said individuals will believe what they want to believe.
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Cat
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Just a quick report back from the results of my query on a Protestant online forum:
So far, only one person who has responded knows what I am talking about. The rest (seven people so far) think “Lourdes” refers to Mary’s sinlessness, so the thread is turning into a big debate on how this isn’t possible since the Bible says that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
I was right when I said earlier that most Protestants don’t know anything about “Lourdes” other than that the pop singer Madonna named her baby “Lourdes.”
The one Protestant on the online forum who DOES know what I’m talking about (she’s a former Catholic) says that it is superstition.
So it’s turning out pretty much the way I thought it would.
OP, if you want to know what Protestants think of Lourdes, you need to talk to Protestants who aren’t hanging around a Catholic online forum.
I’ll report back later if there are any new developments on that Protestant site.
So far, only one person who has responded knows what I am talking about. The rest (seven people so far) think “Lourdes” refers to Mary’s sinlessness, so the thread is turning into a big debate on how this isn’t possible since the Bible says that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”
I was right when I said earlier that most Protestants don’t know anything about “Lourdes” other than that the pop singer Madonna named her baby “Lourdes.”
The one Protestant on the online forum who DOES know what I’m talking about (she’s a former Catholic) says that it is superstition.
So it’s turning out pretty much the way I thought it would.
OP, if you want to know what Protestants think of Lourdes, you need to talk to Protestants who aren’t hanging around a Catholic online forum.
I’ll report back later if there are any new developments on that Protestant site.
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