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Rodrigo_Bivar
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Did you really think the Hezbollah would hand the kidnapped soldiers over? I, for one, never thought that likely. Israel made many claims but one they never pursued with any real vigor was that.
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Valke2
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with no vigor?? It was the express and sole reason that Israel invaded Lebenon.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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Not really. As I remember it, that was a claim they dropped pretty early on.
I think the rain of kathusya rockets had a lot to do with the war.
I think the rain of kathusya rockets had a lot to do with the war.
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Valke2
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They never dropped the claim.Not really. As I remember it, that was a claim they dropped pretty early on.
I think the rain of kathusya rockets had a lot to do with the war.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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I don’t know what you’re getting at, bud. This is not my recollections at all.
Israel has ruled out negotiations or a prisoner swap to secure the men’s release, but Goldwasser’s mother, Miki, said she would be open to talks and a prisoner exchange.
cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/29/world/main1945302.shtml
Israel has ruled out negotiations or a prisoner swap to secure the men’s release, but Goldwasser’s mother, Miki, said she would be open to talks and a prisoner exchange.
cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/29/world/main1945302.shtml
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Valke2
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there’s enough blood to go around. I’ve yet to see a country win a merit badge for its acitons/policy in the mideast.When provoked the IDF will win. Same with the USA. Unfortunately the ones with blood on their hands, the terrorists, seem determined to provoke us. I am betting with all their crowing about the dems electoral win that they will hit us again at home. All that will do is rain death and destruction on Muslims. The Muslims need to begin to reflect on where all this is headed.
Just today, again, the insane Iranian president is promising to destroy Israel.
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cestusdei
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We have at least tried to make some kind of peace. In 2000 Arafat was offered the deal of the century and turned it down. The Muslims do not want any peace that doesn’t include all the Jews dead.
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Loginus
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Exactly, we must stop religion everwhere, only then will there b world peaceWe have at least tried to make some kind of peace. In 2000 Arafat was offered the deal of the century and turned it down. The Muslims do not want any peace that doesn’t include all the Jews dead.
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Valke2
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That link is to an article that was published in the end of August, after the cease fire. And there’s a difference between post cease fire negotiations and stated goals during the war.I don’t know what you’re getting at, bud. This is not my recollections at all.
Israel has ruled out negotiations or a prisoner swap to secure the men’s release, but Goldwasser’s mother, Miki, said she would be open to talks and a prisoner exchange.
cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/29/world/main1945302.shtml
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cestusdei
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Log, Stalin stopped religion, was there peace?
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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What are you doing, bud? You really want your pound of flesh, don’t you? That was my recollection that they never pursued the freedom of those kidnapped soldiers with vigor, bud. It’s a long time ago and you really want me to trawl through the news reports?That link is to an article that was published in the end of August, after the cease fire. And there’s a difference between post cease fire negotiations and stated goals during the war.
If you think Israel lost and Hezbollah won - that is your opinion but if you are a Jew like you say you are then are there any rockets flying over Israel today? No. As you can see from my earlier post - even the Lebanese think Israel won.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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Is this what you’re after, Valke2?
After the soldiers’ abduction, Hezbollah demanded Israel open negotiations on a prisoner exchange. Israel rejected the demand, saying it would encourage more kidnappings.
Friday, July 21, 2006; Posted: 11:11 a.m. EDT (15:11 GMT)
cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/20/nasrallah.interview/
After the soldiers’ abduction, Hezbollah demanded Israel open negotiations on a prisoner exchange. Israel rejected the demand, saying it would encourage more kidnappings.
Friday, July 21, 2006; Posted: 11:11 a.m. EDT (15:11 GMT)
cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/20/nasrallah.interview/
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pro_universal
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Rodrigo,
You’re posting old news. Israel is negotiating as we speak through German intermediaries for the release of those two captured IDF soldiers.
As for “heavy losses”, this is more fantasy. Hizbullah lost about 30 more people than the IDF. Its command and control structure is in tact (it couldn’t have ordered a stop to the rockets all at once otherwise), and it is currently in the process of taking over the Lebanese government (something it wasn’t capable of doing before the war.)
You’re behaving like the Arabs did after the 73 war, Rodrigo.
You’re posting old news. Israel is negotiating as we speak through German intermediaries for the release of those two captured IDF soldiers.
As for “heavy losses”, this is more fantasy. Hizbullah lost about 30 more people than the IDF. Its command and control structure is in tact (it couldn’t have ordered a stop to the rockets all at once otherwise), and it is currently in the process of taking over the Lebanese government (something it wasn’t capable of doing before the war.)
You’re behaving like the Arabs did after the 73 war, Rodrigo.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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The UN says Hezbollah lost 2.5 times more men than the IDF. Where did you get the 30 more men statistics from?
Israel would not negotiate for the release of the soldiers THEN. That was made clear in the news reports I provided.
Israel would not negotiate for the release of the soldiers THEN. That was made clear in the news reports I provided.
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Loginus
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No no, it only works if it stops EVERYWHERE. Like end all religion, and youll have world peace. Reason it didnt work was cause ther was religion in the West. That has to go!Log, Stalin stopped religion, was there peace?
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pro_universal
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Let’s see the UN statistics. I got 30 more from the 180-odd funerals confirmed by the press reports I cited above. Every Hizbullah dead gets a public, celebratory funeral.The UN says Hezbollah lost 2.5 times more men than the IDF. Where did you get the 30 more men statistics from?
Israel is negotiating for them right now. It started negotiating within weeks. What was your point if you know that Israel is negotiating? Certainly not that Israel never wanted the prisoners back…so what is it?Israel would not negotiate for the release of the soldiers THEN. That was made clear in the news reports I provided.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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I know the Israelis negotiate NOW for the release of those kidnapped soldiers. Why don’t you read my posts instead of barging in? The contention was whether the Israelis pressed for their return THEN with any VIGOR. If you don’t understand what I wrote then you only have to ask.
The point I made was that the Israelis did not pursue their return with any VIGOR at the time.
As for the UN sources - I will provide the estimate when you provide the evidence for your claim. Fair enough?
The point I made was that the Israelis did not pursue their return with any VIGOR at the time.
As for the UN sources - I will provide the estimate when you provide the evidence for your claim. Fair enough?
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Valke2
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I think we misunderstood each other. When I was arguing that Israel was pursuing their return, I mean through military conflict, in that they were continuing the war because the soldiers had not been released.I know the Israelis negotiate NOW for the release of those kidnapped soldiers. Why don’t you read my posts instead of barging in? The contention was whether the Israelis pressed for their return THEN with any VIGOR. If you don’t understand what I wrote then you only have to ask.
The point I made was that the Israelis did not pursue their return with any VIGOR at the time.
As for the UN sources - I will provide the estimate when you provide the evidence for your claim. Fair enough?
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pro_universal
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Huh? They invaded Lebanon. The first casualties of the war were right after the captures…they sent a tank into Lebanon to chase the Israeli soldiers, and the tank was destroyed.I know the Israelis negotiate NOW for the release of those kidnapped soldiers. Why don’t you read my posts instead of barging in? The contention was whether the Israelis pressed for their return THEN with any VIGOR. If you don’t understand what I wrote then you only have to ask.
The point I made was that the Israelis did not pursue their return with any VIGOR at the time.
Really, your suggestion that Israel wasn’t pursuing this with vigor is just plain bizarre. What on earth do you think the war broke out over? Was it just coincidence that there was no full scale war before the capture, and there was one after?
It’s already there in the Asia times article. The reporters counted about 180 Hizbullah funerals. Read the article before you comment on what’s not in it.As for the UN sources - I will provide the estimate when you provide the evidence for your claim. Fair enough?
Edit: Here it is to make it easy for you…
From the first page asia times article:
That number may be revised upward: our most recent information from Lebanon says the number of Shi’ite martyr funerals in the south can now be precisely tabulated at 184.
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Rodrigo_Bivar
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Why don’t you read what I wrote instead of defending your misinterpretation?
Did I write that the Israelis DID NOT push for the return of the kidnapped soldiers? No. I said they did not push with ANY VIGOR. Both you and Valke2 have misinterpreted what I wrote.
The causus belli was the kidnapping - that was the straw that broke the camel’s back. But it is apparent to a rational observer (i.e. me) that the Israelis did not pursue their return with any vigor. They sent some forces to retrieve them in the short term but not very many - in the scheme of things. In the entire war the direct action to retrieve the soldiers were small by comparison.
Furthermore, I’d rather go with the UN estimate than some Asian reporters who are biased against the Jews.
Did I write that the Israelis DID NOT push for the return of the kidnapped soldiers? No. I said they did not push with ANY VIGOR. Both you and Valke2 have misinterpreted what I wrote.
The causus belli was the kidnapping - that was the straw that broke the camel’s back. But it is apparent to a rational observer (i.e. me) that the Israelis did not pursue their return with any vigor. They sent some forces to retrieve them in the short term but not very many - in the scheme of things. In the entire war the direct action to retrieve the soldiers were small by comparison.
Furthermore, I’d rather go with the UN estimate than some Asian reporters who are biased against the Jews.
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