pro:
Ah, a noted change in tune.
Qué? When have I ever denied your right or anyone else’s right to their opinions?
pro:
Rodrigo:
All I know is that the IDF made a list of over 440 Hezbollah casualties on the IDF website with names and addresses. Hezbollah has not even come up with a single refutation. But I hadn’t used it to refute pro as we all know what sort of “debater” he is.
A list doesn’t prove anything. I’m sorry, but a list put out by the IDF in this is just ridiculous. They also claimed to have captured Iranian troops and showed pictures of decrepit hunting shotguns as a “seized hizbullah weapons cache”. Some polls have shown that Hassan Nasrallah is more credible even in the Israeli public than the Israeli government (I didn’t make that up-Haaretz reported it along with the Jerusalem Post).
It is not just any list, bud. The IDF did not make up the list just for the Hezbollah to ridicule it. Hezbollah has not even shown a single name on that list to be false or not one of theirs.
The rest is just your ranting. Stick to the topic. Did the Hezbollah show the IDF list to be wrong? No.
pro:
Rodrigo:
No matter who makes the claims of victory, from whatever magazine or newspaper, which general or politician, all I re-iterate is that on the Israeli side there was minimal damage and fewer number of people killed. The damage has mostly if not entirely been repaired. Life in Israel goes on as usual - it’s great there - no Hezbollah rockets flying overhead.
The US wasn’t hit by the Vietnam war on its mainland either. Does that mean, by your reasoning, that the US won the Vietnam war?
What a silly argument. The US was fighting to preserve South Vietnam. The war was not between the US mainland and the North Vietnamese - so your argument is silly.
pro:
There were no Hizbullah rockets raining daily on Israel before the war either. The bombing campaign was the cause of the rockets.
From recolletion the events went like this:
- Hezbollah invades Israeli territory - kills 8 Israeli soldiers in an unprovoked attack and kidnapped two.
- IDF retaliates with airstrikes against Hezbollah targets.
- Hezbollah retaliates with rockets.
- War starts.
All I can say is that from the Israeli side - life is sweet. The damage from the Hezbollah rockets were minimal and have been repaired anyway. No rockets flying today.
From the Lebanese side - tons of rubble - still no rockets flying.
So who’s the winner?
pro:
Rodrigo:
On the other side of the border - the damage is still palpable. To the poor Lebanese caught in the cross-fire, who’s lost his/her home and personal belongings, all the family memories gone up in smoke - I don’t think life would taste like a Hezbollah victory. It is going to take years for Southern Lebanon to get back to where it was. More than a thousand civilians got killed. Hezbollah lost more than 500 fighters (by most rational estimates). Nazrallah expressed regret at starting the conflict. No Hezbollah rockets flying into Israel.
Which side do you think won?
Like I said, I guess you think the US won the Vietnam war and the Russians won the Afghanistan war too…right?
No. Of course not. The US lost because it failed to stop the Commies from taking over its ally South Vietnam. The Russians lost because they could not prevent their ally falling.
Israel won because it bombed the bejeesus out of Lebanon, entered the country for a short, sharp punitive expedition and got out. On their side there is prosperity and peace. On the other side there is only misery.
pro:
As for estimates of dead Hizbullah, you couldn’t come up with a single hard source…so no, that’s not a “rational estimate”
So where’s your source? I asked you and don’t see it. Note anyone can go to the IDF website to check for themselves the list of Hezbollah confirmed casualties which have not been denied by Hezbollah.
