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Is the Father omniscient? Is the Son omniscient? Is the Holy Spirit omniscient? Is God omniscient. I think that the Catholic teaching is that each is omniscient? But this is contradicted by the Scriptural passages
Matthew 24:36
Mark 13:32
Just because God has an ability it doesn’t mean he employs it at all times.

For instance, is God not able to stop all crimes and suffering before these occur? Of course. Does the fact that crime and suffering nevertheless continue prove that God has no ability to stop these things? Of course not. God chooses when to act and exercise an ability. Often God exercises forbearance, which means God holds back from acting or using his abilities.–See Romans 3.25.

Just because God has the ability to know everything doesn’t mean that he exercises that ability at all times. The fact that Jesus did not know “the hour” does not mean he didn’t have access to it. In fact Scripture suggests strongly that this is something the Son leaves for the Father to deal with. Regarding the time for the Kingdom, Jesus said that this was something “the Father has established by his own authority,” meaning this is obviously one of those things that the Trinity has agreed upon will be handled by the Father, just as judging is handled by the Son and not the Father as I pointed out earlier.
 
The fact that Jesus did not know “the hour” does not mean he didn’t have access to it.
God is omniscient means He is all knowing. Jesus, being God, would know the hour, contrary to what you claim here.
 
What no one can deny is that there is no scripture which shows that Christmas was celebrated…This is not to say that Jesus becoming flesh was not a great thing, but it is not by His birth that we are saved, neither are we told by God to celebrate it…Remember that the angels and the shepherds did not glorify the infant Jesus but gave all praise and glory to God. Even though there are no scriptures showing we must celebrate his birth there are scriptures that teach us of the importance of His sacrificing death. We commemorate His death at Passover annually…

explain this to me Matthew 6:7 - “When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words.” the rosary… Do you not say the same things over and over?
Your argument is, then, since the Bible doesn’t say we should commemorate the Nativity of the Lord then we shouldn’t, right?

The Bible doesn’t say that Jehovah’s Witness elders have the authority to officiate at a wedding. The Bible doesn’t say that only those in good standing get to be married at the Kimgdom Hall. But Jehovah’s Witnesses do these things anyway. Just because the Bible is silent on a matter doesn’t mean that the matter is thus forbidden.

And again, as mentioned above in the discussion of why Christmas is observed in the winter is that these days were meant to focus on the more important event, the Pasch of Christ: his Passion, Death and Resurrection. Catholics use a cycle of Bible readings called the Lectionary that takes them through the entire life and ministry of Christ each day of the year, with the events of the Passion, Death and Resurrection being the pinnacle. Catholics begin focusing on this date with the celebration of Advent, which begins four Sundays before Christmas, then extends 40 days before Good Friday, called Lent, culminating in Easter which is observed for 50 days. So Catholics do this commemoration you speak of, albeit in a form different from Jehovah’s Witnesses. We also observe all the other occasions in his life too through the Liturgy. We don’t remember the miracle of Christ’s birth because we claim that will grant us salvation. Christ saved us by his Passion and Death.

As for Matthew 6.7, it does not say that we cannot use the same words over and over. It says we are not to do so the way people of the “nations” do, meaning in the way the heathen Gentiles of Jesus’ day did this.

The official prayer book of the Jews is the Psalms. They have been recited daily since antiquity, and they still are today. The Holy Spirit inspired repitition in many of the Psalms, most notably Psam 118 where the phrase “his mercy endures forever” gets repeated between every other line. If Jesus was saying that mere repition was forbidden then this Psalm should be taken out of the Bible. Don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses repeat refrains or choruses in their songs that appear in their songbooks? How many times do you repeat “We’re Jehovah’s Witnesses! We speak out in fearlessness! Ours is the God of true prophecy, what he foretells comes to be!” (or something similar). If it is wrong to repeat things in worship then JWs do it when the sing praises to Jehovah at their meetings and assembles.

No, Jesus was speaking about a practice of the heathen Gentiles. They believed that if they did not use the name of a god in prayer or their title, then that deity would not hear them. They also believed that if they mispronounced the name that their prayer would not be heard. So they had a system of repeating the name of their gods frequently in prayer, including not only proper titles, but a list or possible pronunciations. It sounded like babbling, and this is why some translations say “do not babble like the pagans” instead of the way you quoted it. Repeating a prayer or phrase or the chorus of a song is not wrong because it is not this type of repition done by those of the nations or Gentiles.
 
God is omniscient means He is all knowing. Jesus, being God, would know the hour, contrary to what you claim here.
Is not God all-powerful? If he is, then why does he not use this power to stop innocent people from suffering? If God is all-powerful, does that also mean he uses all his power all the time? If it did, why are people starving to death right now? Why is ISIS running rampant in the Middle East? Why is there evil? “All-powerful” obviously does not mean God is using all his power all the time.

In the same way, being “all-knowing” doesn’t imply that God uses this ability all the time either. If it did, then the same arguemet would hold for the phrase “all-powerful.”
 
Why is there evil?
This is a question that many atheists ask. They will ask: if God is all Powerful and all Merciful and all Good, and He hears all our prayers, then why does He allow young children to suffer horrible painful deaths from starvation and sickness.
 
Is not God all-powerful?
I don’t know if there might be a limitation on His Power. But in any case, the Catholic teaching is that God is omniscient and omnipotent. It seems anomalous that God the Father would know the day and the hour, but God the Son and God the Holy Spirit would not know the day and the hour?
 
Your argument is, then, since the Bible doesn’t say we should commemorate the Nativity of the Lord then we shouldn’t, right?

The Bible doesn’t say that Jehovah’s Witness elders have the authority to officiate at a wedding. The Bible doesn’t say that only those in good standing get to be married at the Kimgdom Hall. But Jehovah’s Witnesses do these things anyway. Just because the Bible is silent on a matter doesn’t mean that the matter is thus forbidden

I think you confusing Bible principles with Bible commands… there is a difference between a command and a principle, Principles help you to arrive at a conclusion. Same like the Bible does not say we musn’t smoke but we know it’s wrong because of the principle in the Bible. Ecclesiates 7:1 says “a good name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of birth.” there’s no command in that verse but what’s the principle? What can we conclude from it?
Why make a big deal about it, Jesus never did, even about his own birth he didn’t… When Jesus specifically never mentions the importance of birthdays even his own what respect is a person showing for him taking it upon their own deciding it “couldve” been something he would’ve liked?
I’ll encourage u to do some research on birthdays and then you can maybe have a better understanding of it

2 Timothy 4:3,4 says - “3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”
In principle, the expression “false stories” can apply to any religious lie or myth that could turn us “away from the truth.”
Christmas is regarded as a religious holiday… No matter how you look at it, people go to church on that day too… Are you aware of all the false stories surrounding Christmas?.. The date… Pictured often depict 3 wise men visiting Jesus in a manger when we know that the Bible doesn’t say how many men it was, it doesn’t even mention there names, they didn’t bring gifts to Jesus for his birth it was customary for people visiting kings to bring them gifts, the magi’s knew Jesus would be king of the Jews they told that to herod. they picture them visiting Jesus as a baby when according to the Bible he was a child and they weren’t in a manager anymore… How do one accept all that and justify it to be okay… Your kids grow up believing in Santa how does Santa even fit in to the whole thing, the elf’s, the tree… There’s so many things about Christmas that’s made up none of it is biblical it’s all fables… If you agree that most of it is made up fables, then how do u overlook all of that and justify it by saying it’s for Jesus…
 
This is a question that many atheists ask. They will ask: if God is all Powerful and all Merciful and all Good, and He hears all our prayers, then why does He allow young children to suffer horrible painful deaths from starvation and sickness.
Ad hominem–your comment is a logical fallacy.

I am not saying that I believe in the same thing atheists do. I am saying your line of reasoning, that “all-knowing” automatically means that God uses his ability to know everything at all times causes this argument to be equally true about “all-powerful.”

As Christians we know that suffering is NOT proof that God is not “all-powerful,” because “all-powerful” does not mean that God uses all his power all the time.

In the same way, “all-knowing” does not mean God uses his ABILITY to know everything all the time. In fact with this view official Jehovah’s Witness doctrine agrees. The teaching from the Governing Body is that God’s ability to know all is like having a radio with the ABILITY to listen to every station. This does not mean that God does or is forced to listen to things he doesn’t want to listen to. This view is compatible with the Catholic view that omniscience does not imply that God chooses to know everything, even having evil plots and thoughts thrust upon his consciousness from others. No, instead the fact that God CAN know everything is not saying that he DOES. With this JW theology agrees.
 
Is the Father omniscient? Is the Son omniscient? Is the Holy Spirit omniscient? Is God omniscient. I think that the Catholic teaching is that each is omniscient? But this is contradicted by the Scriptural passages
Matthew 24:36
Mark 13:32
Greetings Tom,
Can you show where the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is omniscient? I think quite the opposite is the case when the church professes and is clear on the teaching on the aspect of the Trinity of He (Jesus) is fully human.

Peace!!!
 
I don’t know if there might be a limitation on His Power. But in any case, the Catholic teaching is that God is omniscient and omnipotent. It seems anomalous that God the Father would know the day and the hour, but God the Son and God the Holy Spirit would not know the day and the hour?
So now your argument is that you know the Catholic teaching better than I do?

No, you have the Catholic teaching wrong. I’ve been telling you what it is all this time. The Catholic teaching is that your example does not invalidate the Catholic teaching about God on the basis of all that I’ve mentioned beforehand.

You cannot argue that I am not supporting the Catholic teaching or accurately representing it because that is what I’ve been doing all this time.

It is okay that you do not wish to accept it, but you can’t keep pressing the issue for another answer as if the one this forum is offering you is not in line with Catholicism.
 
I think you confusing Bible principles with Bible commands… there is a difference between a command and a principle, Principles help you to arrive at a conclusion. Same like the Bible does not say we musn’t smoke but we know it’s wrong because of the principle in the Bible. Ecclesiates 7:1 says “a good name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of birth.” there’s no command in that verse but what’s the principle? What can we conclude from it?
Why make a big deal about it, Jesus never did, even about his own birth he didn’t… When Jesus specifically never mentions the importance of birthdays even his own what respect is a person showing for him taking it upon their own deciding it “couldve” been something he would’ve liked?
I’ll encourage u to do some research on birthdays and then you can maybe have a better understanding of it

2 Timothy 4:3,4 says - “3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”
In principle, the expression “false stories” can apply to any religious lie or myth that could turn us “away from the truth.”
Christmas is regarded as a religious holiday… No matter how you look at it, people go to church on that day too… Are you aware of all the false stories surrounding Christmas?.. The date… Pictured often depict 3 wise men visiting Jesus in a manger when we know that the Bible doesn’t say how many men it was, it doesn’t even mention there names, they didn’t bring gifts to Jesus for his birth it was customary for people visiting kings to bring them gifts, the magi’s knew Jesus would be king of the Jews they told that to herod. they picture them visiting Jesus as a baby when according to the Bible he was a child and they weren’t in a manager anymore… How do one accept all that and justify it to be okay… Your kids grow up believing in Santa how does Santa even fit in to the whole thing, the elf’s, the tree… There’s so many things about Christmas that’s made up none of it is biblical it’s all fables… If you agree that most of it is made up fables, then how do u overlook all of that and justify it by saying it’s for Jesus…
Show me the Scripture that teaches that there is a difference between Bible principles and Bible commands.
 
I think you confusing Bible principles with Bible commands… there is a difference between a command and a principle, Principles help you to arrive at a conclusion. Same like the Bible does not say we musn’t smoke but we know it’s wrong because of the principle in the Bible. Ecclesiates 7:1 says “a good name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of birth.” there’s no command in that verse but what’s the principle? What can we conclude from it?
Why make a big deal about it, Jesus never did, even about his own birth he didn’t… When Jesus specifically never mentions the importance of birthdays even his own what respect is a person showing for him taking it upon their own deciding it “couldve” been something he would’ve liked?
I’ll encourage u to do some research on birthdays and then you can maybe have a better understanding of it

2 Timothy 4:3,4 says - “3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”
In principle, the expression “false stories” can apply to any religious lie or myth that could turn us “away from the truth.”
Christmas is regarded as a religious holiday… No matter how you look at it, people go to church on that day too… Are you aware of all the false stories surrounding Christmas?.. The date… Pictured often depict 3 wise men visiting Jesus in a manger when we know that the Bible doesn’t say how many men it was, it doesn’t even mention there names, they didn’t bring gifts to Jesus for his birth it was customary for people visiting kings to bring them gifts, the magi’s knew Jesus would be king of the Jews they told that to herod. they picture them visiting Jesus as a baby when according to the Bible he was a child and they weren’t in a manager anymore… How do one accept all that and justify it to be okay… Your kids grow up believing in Santa how does Santa even fit in to the whole thing, the elf’s, the tree… There’s so many things about Christmas that’s made up none of it is biblical it’s all fables… If you agree that most of it is made up fables, then how do u overlook all of that and justify it by saying it’s for Jesus…
The angels celebrated Jesus birth and the Shepherd’s brought a lamb.

Do you think God reserves punishment for people who tell their children stories or myths and calling religious leaders ‘father?’
 
Why make a big deal about it, Jesus never did, even about his own birth he didn’t… When Jesus specifically never mentions the importance of birthdays even his own what respect is a person showing for him taking it upon their own deciding it “couldve” been something he would’ve liked?
I’ll encourage u to do some research on birthdays and then you can maybe have a better understanding of it
This is what is known in apologetics as a “straw man argument.” It would work if Christmas were a celebration of a birthday, but as explained the Catholic Church isn’t celebrating a birthday at the Nativty. You can say we are all you want, but that would be lying. Misrepresentation of Catholicism would be spreading a falsehood, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are lovers of truth. Christmas isn’t a birthday, so all your arguments about the observence of birthdays cannot be applied.

In fact birthday celebrating depends on cultural background of an individual Catholic, and some cultures don’t observe birthdays. Hebrew Catholics might not celebrate birthdays because it is not part of their culture, but this doesn’t mean they aren’t Catholics. Birthday celebrations are a conscientious choice. The Catholic Church does not demand you give up your culture where this doesn’t conflict with Catholic teaching.
Are you aware of all the false stories surrounding Christmas?.. How do one accept all that and justify it to be okay… Your kids grow up believing in Santa how does Santa even fit in to the whole thing, the elf’s, the tree… There’s so many things about Christmas that’s made up none of it is biblical it’s all fables… If you agree that most of it is made up fables, then how do u overlook all of that and justify it by saying it’s for Jesus…
Many people like you confuse secular Christmas customs associated with some cultures with the Catholic observance of the date. The things you mention are not a part of the Church’s observance of Christmas. And, guess what! Catholics are NOT okay with a lot of these things you mention. We are also NOT OKAY with the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses like you refuse to educate yourselves about these important differences.

Did you know that non-religious people are the ones who observe Christmas in the way Jehovah’s Witnesses always criticize, but that you unfairly and ignorantly keep applying these things to us?

For instance: Catholics do not officially begin singing Christmas carols until December 24. They continue singing them through mid-January, in some cases even up to a date known as Candlemas in February.

Christmas decorations were generally never found in Catholic homes until noon on December 24, and they were kept up until January 6. The USCCB has recently asked Catholics to stand firm with this custom and avoid being like the world that puts up their trees around Thanksgiving and takes them down on December 26.

Christmas trees are not a universal Christian trapping for Catholics. In Italy and most Catholic homes it is the Crèche or manger scene. In Latin countries decor goes up on December 16th in expectation of Christmas, and the day is observed with fireworks.

I can go on and on. However the main point is that false stories and bad actions of others doesn’t make Christmas bad. That is like saying Jehovah’s Witnesses are evil because of all the false stories that get spread about their religion. Should JWs as a whole be judged as well because recently some among them have been involved in sexual child abuse scandals? Of course not! False stories and practices of others doesn’t change the value of something good. If it does, then not only is Christmas evil according to this logic, then so is your religion…and we both know that is not so.
 
Greetings Tom,
Can you show where the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is omniscient? I think quite the opposite is the case when the church professes and is clear on the teaching on the aspect of the Trinity of He (Jesus) is fully human.

Peace!!!
The Church does indeed teach and believe that Jesus is omniscient. In fact, by examining what Scripture teaches on the subject one can see clearly that the Persons of the Trinity are selective with this ability to be “all-knowing.”

Scripture shows that the Son has the ability to know what is truly in the hearts of men. (Matthew 9.4; Mark 2.8; Luke 5.22; 9:47; John 2.25) At Revelation 2.23 the Son states: “I am the searcher of hearts and minds.”

But apparently the Church has never defined this to mean that the Son is constantly aware of everything that everyone knows or feels. As pointed out on this thread, Jesus himself said regarding of the Coming of the Son of Man or (as more commonly referred to by Catholics as) the Parousia:

But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
—Matthew 24.36.

Despite having heard Jesus say he didn’t know this information, the Apostles still attributed omniscience to Jesus. At John 16.30 the disciples tell Jesus: “We realize that you know everything.” And even Peter, who was one of the few present when Jesus uttered the words at Matthew 24 is reported as saying to Jesus: “Lord, you know everything.”—John 21.17.

Thus the Bible tells us that the Apostles themselves believed that Jesus ‘knew everything’ or was omniscient even though they had heard him say he wasn’t privy to some information that the Father alone had access to.

This is the Roman Catholic and Scriptural teaching regarding the omniscience of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Omniscience doesn’t include that God uses this power all the time and in all situations. It only means he has the ability to know everything. In reference to the Parousia, apparently the Son is quite content to let the Father keep this information to himself despite sharing omniscience with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
 
The angels celebrated Jesus birth and the Shepherd’s brought a lamb.
I’ve seen someone say this before and I might not be too familiar with your Christmas beliefs and understandings… But where does it say that the Shepherd’s brought Jesus a lamb? Please share that verse with me so I can see
 
minkymurph;13054181:
The angels celebrated Jesus birth and the Shepherd’s brought a lamb.
I’ve seen someone say this before and I might not be too familiar with your Christmas beliefs and understandings… But where does it say that the Shepherd’s brought Jesus a lamb? Please share that verse with me so I can see
Yes, I have to agree with ChosenOne7 here. Neither the Bible nor Church Tradition tell us that a lamb was brought by the shepherds to Jesus when he was born.

In fact both Scripture and Tradition imply that since Jesus was born in a stable that there were likely animals around him. Customs associated with building a Nativity crèche often include a lamb because it was the most common animal kept in stables during the period, but there is no evidence or practice that teaches such a gift was given by the shepherds.
 
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minkymurph;13054181:
The angels celebrated Jesus birth and the Shepherd’s brought a lamb.

Yes, I have to agree with ChosenOne7 here. Neither the Bible nor Church Tradition tell us that a lamb was brought by the shepherds to Jesus when he was born.

In fact both Scripture and Tradition imply that since Jesus was born in a stable that there were likely animals around him. Customs associated with building a Nativity crèche often include a lamb because it was the most common animal kept in stables during the period, but there is no evidence or practice that teaches such a gift was given by the shepherds.
Yes… That’s what I was thinking… Thought I missed that verse lol… But yeah as far as I also know there’s no verse stating anything about a lamb… I would like to know where minkymurph came up with that idea though who told you that?

DelsonJacobs you said your name is?
Let’s get onto the same page here… Just correct me where I’m wrong okay, but based on what u said I got this… As a Catholic you saying that the way you celebrate Christmas is correct and the other Christians who also celebrate Christmas is incorrect because they not doing it the Catholic way?.. I was not aware that Catholics have a different tradition as to the normal tradition… In short what’s the difference between they way you do it and the Protestants do it?
 
What no one can deny is that there is no scripture which shows that Christmas was celebrated by anyone or that it was a custom like it is today, today
I didn’t say there was scripture showing Christmas, celebrated as it is today, there doesn’t have to be. Its not a matter of faith or morals its a custom, tradition with a small t. I have answered this before with my own list of WT doctrines not found anywhere in the bible. Not only are they not found in the bible they contradict the bible. I notice you posted no scriptures teaching any of them. The reason being they can’t be found anywhere in the bible. Otherwise you would have posted them.

There is no scripture condemning celebrations. In fact Paul says let no man judge another in such thing.

[Col2:16 **Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:]

The WT’s aversion, to holidays, is pure superstition. Your remark is like the skillet calling the pot black. Did you know JW’s celebrated Christmas through 1926? I guess someone had new light. New light isn’t supposed to contradict old light. Yet it did. Do celebrate Christmas don’t celebrate Christmas that’s a contradiction and flip flop in teaching not a development of a teaching.

[Christmas is so important, regardless of the date. WT 12/15/1926, p. 371] Source Index of Watch Tower Errors, Editor David A. Reed, Complied by Steve Huntoon & John Cornell.

The WT had no problem with Christmas till after 1926. Isn’t it a little hypocritical to judge others guilty, when the WT is guilty of doing the same many times over?

For instance the bible never mentions anywhere Christ invisibly returning in 1914. In fact the bible teaches every eye will see him when he returns. Yet the WT has constantly tried to justify that doctrine with many reasonings. Claiming the generation of 1914 would not pass away before armageddon. Using the phrase, Millions now living will never die.

[Rv1:7 Behold, **he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ]

Rv1:8 also tells us, he, which is to come is the Almighty. Who was pierced? Who is to come? Who is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending? Who is the Almighty? Answer, Jesus our Lord and God as Thomas rightly names him.

[Jn20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And **Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.]

Also the bible never mentions anywhere the Man Jesus Christ went out of existence when he died on the cross and was raised a spirit being Michael. In fact its just the opposite, scripture clearly teaches, the man Jesus Christ was bodily raised and is in heaven.
[Jn2:19 **Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. ]

[Lk24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 **Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.]

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Once again the bible never mentions anywhere that Christ’s body was dissolved. Again the WT contradicts scripture with a tradition of men not found anywhere in the bible.
[1Tm2:5 For there is one God, and **one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;]

In 1Tm2:5 the word used for men and man in Greek is anthropos=human being, whether male or female. Strong’s Greek definition #444. According to the bible Christ our mediator is a human being in heaven. According to the WT a human being is a body only. If the man Jesus was not bodily raised from the dead, after dying, then what was raised after dying? What else could be raised from the dead, if a human being is body only as the WT teaches? How could scripture call Christ in heaven a human being if he doesn’t have a human beings body now glorified?

[Acts17:31 Because **he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.]

In Acts17:31 Iman=aner in Greek is man=individual male. Again we see Jesus, raised from the dead, is a man in heaven who is appointed to judge the world. Once more the WT is contradicting the bible with a tradition of men not found in the bible.

The bible never mentions anywhere only 144 thousand, the only ones to be born again according to the WT, will be in heaven and the rest of JWs, the great crowd, who aren’t saved (born again) but considered dead by the WT, can only hope they will be saved by their works and being found good enough to live on earth forever.

Yet again The bible never mentions anywhere heaven was closed in 1935 to anyone born after that year. The bible never mentions only 144 thousand could take communion. All this was simply made up by Rutherford.

Nowhere is it found in the bible, the WT’s view of the great crowd, who the WT considers not born again, But having only the hope of being saved and live on the earth never going to heaven. In fact that WT teaching condradicts the bible. We clearly see in Rv19:1-6 and Rv7:9 the great multitude or crowd are actually in heaven Rv19:1 flat out says so.
[Rv7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a **great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and ]b]before the Lamb]/b], clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;]

[Rv19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of **much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 … 3 … 4 … 5 … 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.]

According to Strong’s Greek definition #4183 the word in Rv19:1 much=polus the same Greek word used in Rv7:9 & Rv19:6, great=polus. In Rv19:1 people=ochlos=multitude same word used in Rv7:9 multitude=ochlos and in Rv19:6. Strong’s Greek definition #3793.
 
I didn’t say there was scripture showing Christmas, celebrated as it is today, there doesn’t have to be. Its not a matter of faith or morals its a custom, tradition with a small t. I have answered this before with my own list of WT doctrines not found anywhere in the bible. Not only are they not found in the bible they contradict the bible. I notice you posted no scriptures teaching any of them. The reason being they can’t be found anywhere in the bible. Otherwise you would have posted them.
I think I did say we will take it one by one… And I did answer one of your questions… If you didn’t see the post then please check all the pages… If we want to learn from each other it would be best to stick to one topic otherwise we will be jumping around getting to no conclusions… Atleast that way we can walk away having a better understanding of each other’s beliefs
 
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