What do you prefer in a church building from a liturgical sense?

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I can spot the altar immediately in the St. Vincent de Paul church, but even after looking repeatedly at the picture of the COLA I can’t spot an altar anywhere.
Look to the right of the Crucifix with Corpus where you see the man in black standing, right in front of the altar. It has a narrow base and wide top.

Closer view from the back:

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No kneelers in the new Cathedral? Those tile floors would serve ans an extra mortification.

I love the old mission churches. It is amazing what was created with only an axe, a saw and an augur in churches such as The Sacred Heart in Cataldo, Idaho

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Mission_State_Park

or the Saint Ignatius mission in Ravalli, Montana. (scroll down for interior pictures.

visitmt.com/listings/general/national-historic-site/st-ignatius-mission.html

California missions (I’ve never forgotten San Gabriel Arcangel)
missionscalifornia.com/keyfacts/san-gabriel-arcangel.html

and San Xavier del Bac have served a pilgrimage sites during vacation.

sanxaviermission.org/
 
Cathedral Of Our Lady Of The Angels Church (555 W Temple St, Los Angeles, CA 90012):
Built 2002
https://images.fineartamerica.com/i...els-church-los-angeles-ca-david-zanzinger.jpg

St. Vincent de Paul Church (621 W Adams Blvd, Los Angeles, California 90007):
Built 1925, second Roman Catholic church in Los Angeles to be consecrated.
http://www.stvincentla.net/church/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/St-Vincent-Inside-e1466709831849.jpg
One holds 3,000+, has a large plaza to handle very large crowds,room for more than 300 clerics in its sanctuary, sufficient parking and in the center of LA’s civic center.

One holds less than 1,000, has little place to fellowship, limited parking and it’s in a fairly scary part of the City of LA.

Nice photos though.
 
No kneelers in the new Cathedral? Those tile floors would serve ans an extra mortification.

I love the old mission churches. It is amazing what was created with only an axe, a saw and an augur in churches such as The Sacred Heart in Cataldo, Idaho

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Mission_State_Park

or the Saint Ignatius mission in Ravalli, Montana. (scroll down for interior pictures.

visitmt.com/listings/general/national-historic-site/st-ignatius-mission.html

California missions (I’ve never forgotten San Gabriel Arcangel)
missionscalifornia.com/keyfacts/san-gabriel-arcangel.html

and San Xavier del Bac have served a pilgrimage sites during vacation.

sanxaviermission.org/
There are kneelers. That floor is amazing – the tiles radiate out from the center of the altar. Expensive though I’m sure.

I also love the sloped floor. It’s barely noticeable, but it allows a great view of the sanctuary.
 
another alternative would have been to erect a couple of new dioceses out of LA’s land area. the existing buildings could handle a smaller task for each.

all of the dioceses in america broke off from another at one time or another, Pittsburgh was part of philadelphia until 1843
That should happen. People in Santa Maria, CA have little in common with people in say Pasadena, CA over 200 miles away in a completely “different world.”

It did happen in the case of the Diocese of Orange County.

Each of LA’s five pastoral regions (with the possible exception of Santa Barbara) are large enough to be very good-sized dioceses on their own. Some would be larger than Orange County.
 
Look to the right of the Crucifix with Corpus where you see the man in black standing, right in front of the altar. It has a narrow base and wide top.

Closer view from the back:

https://liturgyguy.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/our-lady-of-the-angels-sanctuary.jpg
That overall altar is truly amazing in person. The mensa is a 6 ton slab of laguna rosso marble from Turkey. I believe it’s 15’x15’. It’s at its best when it’s surrounded by clergy at the Chrism Mass.

The stipes of the altar is not very impressive.

Even from the very back of the cathedral, it’s very clear where the altar is located. Photography can be deceiving.
 
That overall altar is truly amazing in person. The mensa is a 6 ton slab of laguna rosso marble from Turkey. I believe it’s 15’x15’. It’s at its best when it’s surrounded by clergy at the Chrism Mass.

The stipes of the altar is not very impressive.

Even from the very back of the cathedral, it’s very clear where the altar is located. Photography can be deceiving.
I looked at several pictures, not just those here, and to me it seems it is a large grey space. In almost all the photos the alter is difficult to spot in all the grey. Most of the Cathedrals I saw in Italy had amazing stone floors, done in patterns that had significance to the Catholic faith. From the outside there is no doubt it is a Catholic church building.

The Cathedral in my diocese is magnificent. Built in the last century, it has amazing stain glass, the alter is recognizable from any entrance, and there is no doubt it is a Catholic cathedral.
 
I looked at several pictures, not just those here, and to me it seems it is a large grey space. In almost all the photos the alter is difficult to spot in all the grey. Most of the Cathedrals I saw in Italy had amazing stone floors, done in patterns that had significance to the Catholic faith. From the outside there is no doubt it is a Catholic church building.

The Cathedral in my diocese is magnificent. Built in the last century, it has amazing stain glass, the alter is recognizable from any entrance, and there is no doubt it is a Catholic cathedral.
Thinking of my own Cathedral (which isn’t Catholic, yet which is very often mistaken as such) we should play a game. Spot the Catholic Cathedral… If I get time I’ll start a thread on it in Non-Catholic Religions.
 
Thinking of my own Cathedral (which isn’t Catholic, yet which is very often mistaken as such) we should play a game. Spot the Catholic Cathedral… If I get time I’ll start a thread on it in Non-Catholic Religions.
I would certainly participate!

I always get a little annoyed when I see beautiful Episcopal churches with proper altar rails and even ad orientem altars. Why can’t we Catholics have nice things?
 
I looked at several pictures, not just those here, and to me it seems it is a large grey space. In almost all the photos the alter is difficult to spot in all the grey. Most of the Cathedrals I saw in Italy had amazing stone floors, done in patterns that had significance to the Catholic faith. From the outside there is no doubt it is a Catholic church building.

The Cathedral in my diocese is magnificent. Built in the last century, it has amazing stain glass, the alter is recognizable from any entrance, and there is no doubt it is a Catholic cathedral.
There’s no grey. The floor is a cream color. The altar mensa is red. The furnishings are cherry wood. The altar is HUGE and can be very clearly seen from the back of the HUGE structure.
 
There’s no grey. The floor is a cream color. The altar mensa is red. The furnishings are cherry wood. The altar is HUGE and can be very clearly seen from the back of the HUGE structure.
You ask for other’s thoughts about something and when given, you tell them how wrong they are. I stand by my original statements. I do not feel it is a beautiful building, inside or out, it’s all just a lot of grey, and the alter isn’t instantly recognizable. Bigger isn’t better. From your many posts on this cathedral it appears you love it. That is ok, but you don’t have the right to tell anyone else to love it.
 
First, let me state that a parish lacking these details isn’t a “deal breaker.” My parish is my parish. In most cases, there a more important things. If I could have my personally perfect parish, the tabernacle would be center, an appropriate crucifix visible, I think I’m leaning towards a return to altar rails, and definitely no shying away from liturgical art. This doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be ornate carvings or stained glass or what have you. But I like eastern iconography, and I like the depictions of the heavens, saints, and appropriate Biblical imagery in the Church. The level of ornateness can vary depending upon the parish’s wealth, but I think liturgical art, scaled for the parish’s funds, can assist in lifting a person to a reverant state.

Also, I do like larger baptismal founts. Maybe not full immersion, per say, but one someone can step into and kneel in while the water is poured over them.
 
I like what they did to #3. St. Peter the Apostle, Lake Charles, LA and #6. St. Mary’s: Fennimore, WI. Having lived with the altar rail for years now, and having seen old Catholic churches with them, a sanctuary just looks incomplete without one.

Catholic Church not too far from my neck of the woods, St. Anne’s, went full circle the last 30 years.

Here was it in the 60’s…

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Here it was in the early 2000’s

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And here’s what it looks like today

http://www.stannes-sandiego.org/sites/default/files/images/Sanctuary.jpg

Obviously not a striking a change as some of those others… but big changes none the less.
 
You ask for other’s thoughts about something and when given, you tell them how wrong they are. I stand by my original statements. I do not feel it is a beautiful building, inside or out, it’s all just a lot of grey, and the alter isn’t instantly recognizable. Bigger isn’t better. From your many posts on this cathedral it appears you love it. That is ok, but you don’t have the right to tell anyone else to love it.
No, no. I was just pointing out that the altar can be CLEARLY see even from the back of the cathedral near the baptistery and that there’s next to no grey. That’s all.
 
That’s interesting. I like Gothic churches for the opposite reason: they bring in lots of light. Any well-designed gothic church will be filled with light on any sunny, or even not so sunny days. I’ve been in gothic churches where the evening sun shines through, and the result is incredible.

In church architecture, we seem to be moving away from modernism and post-modernism and back toward more traditional styles. We seem to particularly be seeing a resurgence of Romanesque Revival architecture, but not so much Gothic, which I think is a shame.
Most of the Gothic-style churches I have visited are located in areas where the surrounding buildings are much taller and have overshadowed the church, thus providing little sunlight to the stain glass windows.

As for church architecture, it seems more like a caricature of the Romanesque Revival, like similar structures in Las Vegas made to imitate the architecture; a sort of sterile “Disney” version.
 
Most of the Gothic-style churches I have visited are located in areas where the surrounding buildings are much taller and have overshadowed the church, thus providing little sunlight to the stain glass windows.

As for church architecture, it seems more like a caricature of the Romanesque Revival, like similar structures in Las Vegas made to imitate the architecture; a sort of sterile “Disney” version.
Ah, yes, tall buildings can be a problem (though this has nothing to do with Gothic architecture in and of itself).

I’m interested in your view that modern Romanesque revival churches are caricatures.
 
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