What do you think about Christian Zionism?

[Lev23]

BY GOD

AND WE CANNOT BRING THIS ABOUT

agreed

Im glad we can agree on this!

 

[Athanasiy]

So what is this “evil” you refer to?

Lev 23 !
I think that its not good to believe that human responsibility about salvation is changing from dispensation to dispensation.
Also to have the negative atitude to the law as opposite to the grace.
Its not good to believe that the grace is limited by the periods of the Church.

 

[bengal_fan]

Im glad we can agree on this!

the problem is that you think the state of Israel as it is today is set up by God. it isn’t. it was set up by man, with the jewish leaders having no regard for the Messiah. that was the big criticism when it was taking place by the more orthodox (especially hasidic) jews. Christians should not support Israel (as it is today) anymore than any other state. therefore we should have just as much support for the palestinians whose homeland was ripped from them.

 

[AgnosTheist]

the problem is that you think the state of Israel as it is today is set up by God. it isn’t. it was set up by man, with the jewish leaders having no regard for the Messiah. that was the big criticism when it was taking place by the more orthodox (especially hasidic) jews. Christians should not support Israel (as it is today) anymore than any other state. therefore we should have just as much support for the palestinians whose homeland was ripped from them.

what about those so called prophecy in the bible about the re-establishment of israel? isnt the israel state today the fulfillment of that?

 

[bengal_fan]

what about those so called prophecy in the bible about the re-establishment of israel? isnt the israel state today the fulfillment of that?

are you joking?? i like a lot of your posts and i know you are sarcastic from time to time (i get it too! ) so i don’t know if you are serious here since i’ve said this like 10 times already.

but here it goes again:

no, it is not the fulfillment of that prophecy because the re-establishment of Israel will be done by the Messiah. He is to come and set up His throne forever. Israel has not been re-established by the Messiah, therefore it doesn’t fulfill prophecy.

 

[Lev23]

are you joking?? i like a lot of your posts and i know you are sarcastic from time to time (i get it too! ) so i don’t know if you are serious here since i’ve said this like 10 times already.

but here it goes again:

no, it is not the fulfillment of that prophecy because the re-establishment of Israel will be done by the Messiah. He is to come and set up His throne forever. Israel has not been re-established by the Messiah, therefore it doesn’t fulfill prophecy.

I guess you’ll never get it.

After all, you’re a Bengal fan living in Jacksonville, FL.

It is a fulfillment of prophecy. The Messiah will come back to the nation of Israel, in the land of Israel. A nation that will be in trouble with no way out except for the Messiah coming to save them. This fact is all over prophecy. I’ve said over and over that the nation as a whole now does not seek their God to be in his will, not their own. They are still worldy like every nation.

 

[bengal_fan]

I guess you’ll never get it.

After all, you’re a Bengal fan living in Jacksonville, FL.

It is a fulfillment of prophecy. The Messiah will come back to the nation of Israel, in the land of Israel. A nation that will be in trouble with no way out except for the Messiah coming to save them. This fact is all over prophecy. I’ve said over and over that the nation as a whole now does not seek their God to be in his will, not their own. They are still worldy like every nation.

and that’s where we disagree. i see the bible as saying that the Messiah comes back to establish Israel (the true Israel, fulfillment of prophecy). this has nothing to do with the state of Israel (not a fulfillment of prophecy). i can agree to disagree until Christians start spouting that we should support Israel because “Gawd says so”. it’s just not in the scriptures that way. we should support the Israel that is established by the Messiah, that’s where the test will come. i guess you’ll never get that we cannot speed up God’s return by returning the Jews to Israel.

 

[Athanasiy]

What is the diference between Christian racism and Christian Zionism ?