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Pattylt
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I agree with you but it’s going to be a long slow slog to get Americans to agree with it. Our early nuclear plants are not an example of the technology available today. We’ve learned much and can really build safe effective plants and handle the waste in a completely safe manner. The current new movie Chernobyl just sets us back even further.
I also think we need to continue to promote wind and solar power. We need multiple solutions to our energy thirst and should not neglect any one of them for another. I’m old and climate change will not directly effect me before I die but I have children and grandchildren and would very much like them to not have to live in fear of our wonderful planet turning against us because we ignored it or found it too costly or interfered with our political views.
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steve-b
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I can play that game toosteve-b:
Science journals. I’m not going to do all your research for you. But I will make two suggestions:steve-b:
LeafByNiggle:
OK
what journals? Reference(s) please, properly referenced
- Start with the NASA website where this data is presented and see if they reference any research.
- Go to your local public library and ask to see the reference librarian. Their job is to help people find information, and they will go to great lengths to help you find the information you need.
I went there, Found no consensus.
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Theo520
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Forbes article does a good job of sifting through the BS
LeafByNiggle
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I thought you were asking about the age of the earth and how the scientists came up with their numbers.LeafByNiggle:
I can play that game toosteve-b:
Science journals. I’m not going to do all your research for you. But I will make two suggestions:steve-b:
LeafByNiggle:
OK
what journals? Reference(s) please, properly referenced
- Start with the NASA website where this data is presented and see if they reference any research.
- Go to your local public library and ask to see the reference librarian. Their job is to help people find information, and they will go to great lengths to help you find the information you need.
I went there, Found no consensus.
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undead_rat
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Here is what seems to be a sound article based on science which says that CO2 levels rise due to the earth’s warming rather than being the cause of that warming.
Global Warming Morphs Into the Solar Minimum - CounterPunch.org
We know that the earth’s predominate state over the last several million years is that of an ice age. Between these ice ages are warm periods of about 25,000 years, and that is what we are experiencing now. Here is how the cycle works:
Global Warming Morphs Into the Solar Minimum - CounterPunch.org
We know that the earth’s predominate state over the last several million years is that of an ice age. Between these ice ages are warm periods of about 25,000 years, and that is what we are experiencing now. Here is how the cycle works:
- When the polar ice cap melts completely and when the arctic sea no longer freezes over in the winter, a new ice age begins even though the planet may still be warming up. This is because the open arctic sea moisturizes the polar air. As this air moves southward in winter it dumps massive amounts of snow; perhaps over one hundred feet each winter. All this snow does not melt off over the summer, and glaciers start to form.
- The glaciers reflect sunlight, and, when they become large enough, the earth cools due to some of the sun’s heat being reflected back into space.
- When the earth has cooled enough (and this will take a long time), the arctic sea freezes over once again.
- Because the arctic sea has frozen over, the arctic atmosphere no longer has its moisture source. The massive snowfalls end, and the glaciers loose their 100 feet/year of snowfall fuel. They stop growing, and begin to very slowly retreat.
- In 100,000 years (or more) the glaciers retreat to the point that they no longer reflect a significant amount of sunlight. The earth then enters a warming phase.
- When the earth warms up enough, the arctic ice caps melts and does not refreeze over winter. The is the start of the next ice age.
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phaster
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in the PDF I put together of info about “climate change” that people should understand,… I included the simple example of a change in anual seasons is because its a useful reference point that people instantly can relate to,… the difference between SUMMER which has long days which builds up “warmth” and WINTERS w/ short days which does not allow “warmth” to build upphaster:
here’s from a scientific perspective as well
Titled
Why an ice age occurs every 100,000 years: Climate and feedback effects explained
The Milankovitch cycles
Supposedly we’ve had multiple ice ages according to this source, therefor multiple warmings, all before people were on the planet.
IOW multiple ice ages and global warmings, occurred without people being on the planet.
Not just as a Catholic but as someone who likes evidence , my first question would be, prove it with evidence (not theory) all properly referenced.
(see 3rd question,… why do we have seasons?)
www.TinyURL.com/HowBigIsTheEarth
the climate changes or said another way,… an ice age occurs because the earth is in somelike a super, super, super long winter season
(see 5th question,… why does the “climate change”
or in other words why do ice ages occur?)
over the years more than once I’ve heard, climate skeptics say scientists in the the 1970s were saying we were heading toward an ice age,…
the reason scientists in the the 1970s said that an ice age was going to occur is because looking at the big picture of the solar system in geological time (ten’s to hundreds of thousands of years), THE RELATIVE POSITION OF THE EARTH IN AN ICE AGE PERIOD IS GOING TO BE FARTHER AWAY FROM THE SUN (THAN IT IS NOW), so the earth in effect will have less intense sunlight hit the surface, so its like an winter season that lasts for a really long period of time
(see 6th question,… why do we have a very real problem?)
once one understands the basic “physics,…” the math of “Climate Change” here on earth is rather straight forward,…
The Mathematics of Climate Change
the big variable since the industrial revolution is ever increasing concentrations in the atmosphere of CO2 molecules due to the IR properties
How Scientists Measure Carbon Dioxide in the Air
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phaster
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2nd,… large populated areas like the LA and san diego area (here in the USA) need CO2 “reduced” base load (when the sun does not shine or the wind does not blow),… looking at fussion does not seem possible near term,… a safer tech bet is “alternative fission” devices which the DOE is starting to fundTheo520:
I agree with you but it’s going to be a long slow slog to get Americans to agree with it. Our early nuclear plants are not an example of the technology available today. We’ve learned much and can really build safe effective plants and handle the waste in a completely safe manner. The current new movie Chernobyl just sets us back even further.
I also think we need to continue to promote wind and solar power. We need multiple solutions to our energy thirst and should not neglect any one of them for another. I’m old and climate change will not directly effect me before I die but I have children and grandchildren and would very much like them to not have to live in fear of our wonderful planet turning against us because we ignored it or found it too costly or interfered with our political views.
Thorium As Nuclear Fuel
LFTR (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) Defended by Kirk Sorensen @ ThEC2018
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Theo520
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I really wish we’d make the required basic research investment to move LFTR forward. Doing the needed basic research would be a gift to the whole world in moving this solution from conception to test/build.
EDIT: from the start of your video, it looks like DOE is starting to give needed support.
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LeafByNiggle
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I don’t disagree with the idea of more research into these potential forms of energy
But just for the record, you are talking about taxpayer-funded research and not just private research, right?
But just for the record, you are talking about taxpayer-funded research and not just private research, right?
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Theo520
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Yes, I’m taking basic research, not product development.
We do basic research for other renewables
https://www.nrel.gov/
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LeafByNiggle
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This Time issue is always trotted out whenever climate change is discussed. The truth is the premise of this issue was never a widely-held position among scientists. This view of a couple of researchers was inflated beyond reason and published for sensational effect.
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goout
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I’m shocked. A disingenuous media cooperating to promote a social agenda?
I’m shocked I tell ya!
LeafByNiggle
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There was no social agenda. They just wanted to sell more magazines.
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goout
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Absolutely shocking that a media outlet would twist the truth for something less.
Get me my rain poncho and my wind goggles, cause the weather is absolutely incredible.
Get me my rain poncho and my wind goggles, cause the weather is absolutely incredible.
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LeafByNiggle
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I don’t think anyone here is the least bit shocked at that.
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edwest211
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Thorium is not the answer. Only renewables will work.
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steve-b
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That too…steve-b:
I thought you were asking about the age of the earth and how the scientists came up with their numbers.LeafByNiggle:
I can play that game toosteve-b:
Science journals. I’m not going to do all your research for you. But I will make two suggestions:steve-b:
LeafByNiggle:
OK
what journals? Reference(s) please, properly referenced
- Start with the NASA website where this data is presented and see if they reference any research.
- Go to your local public library and ask to see the reference librarian. Their job is to help people find information, and they will go to great lengths to help you find the information you need.
I went there, Found no consensus.
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MichaelP3
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Would you understand any of the evidence? I probably will not and science is my field of work.
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