What do you think of my parish's new church design?

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I don’t like the seating on the sides of the altar.

They kind of complicate the reception of communion unless you have an altar railing and the priest uses it.
 
Yeah, I always figure if people really wanted to be that close to the altar, then you wouldn’t see so many of them deliberately sit in the back.
LOL! our church is undergoing renovations too. It’s an old German Gothic style that was horribly ‘modernized’ in the 70s. Fortunately, we have many traditionalists on the design committee who’ve made sure to redo the church in a style that actually works with the liturgy and architecture.

But our priest wanted to remove a section of pews upfront to make space for the handicapped. I heard a lot of protests by people who said we can’t lose those seats! I said why not the church is never really full? And of course they came back with well it is on Christmas and Easter. I said it was more important to me that those handicapped parishioners who come every Sunday sit in front as part of the congregation rather than in the back and isolated than we have a few extra seats for those who only come once or twice a year.
 
You can look at both of the churches here: sumterccsc.org/html/churches.html as well as all kinds of other stuff. There were nuns at St. Jude and St. Anne for a long time, but they left, yes. Catholic school closed shop for a while, but now we have a full elementary school (St. Anne School) and high school (St. Francis Xavier). They are small, but they are growing steadily and definitely maintaining numbers.

The new church hasn’t been named yet, no, but I’m thinking it will be called St. Lawrence. There were two polls several years ago, and St. Lawrence won both of them. I am 100% for that. The cemetery is also St. Lawrence, yes.

Lincoln high school doesn’t exist anymore. I have no idea what it is now, some dilapidated building. Sumter High School is still the main school, yes, and it is quite massive now.

All the housing, with the exception of generals’ housing and a small section of other houses, has been destroyed. 500 area is gone. However, a company is currently building 600ish new houses. They built a new commissary in 1994 and they just built a new BX which opened like two weeks ago.

Nothing really happens in town It’s all quite boring. Downtown is as crime-ridden as ever.
Thanks for the links.

The Sumter High you refer to is the “new” building that was built in 1983-1984, so it probably seems old to you. It was quite massive when it was built, and as I recall that was the edge of town in those days. I remember that the old downtown of Sumter was in a rather dilapidated condition then. There was a new mall that attracted the crowds.

Is Stuckey Bros. & Hines furniture store still in business? It was out on the highway between Shaw and Sumter. We bought our bedroom furniture, as well as the washer and dryer (all of which I still have–well, the washer has been replaced) there in 1982.

What I remember the most was how lovely the people of Sumter were to us. I have not ever encountered more gracious and kind folks in all my travels.
 
Beautiful. I love older churches too. I never understand why folks want to design new churches that look like strip malls or gymnasiums. I grew up in artless Freewill Baptist & Presbyterian churches…no thank you. The art, stained glass, statuary, stations, etc. found in older churches lift my mind to God rather than distract me.
Why don’t they build beautiful, ornate churches like they did back in the day. One word: MONEY. That link to the church door with all the wood carving was quite cool looking, but I’m sure cost a fortune to have made. Here in the Twin Cities we’ve had a lot of new churches built in recent years (some very modern, and some much more traditional). But all these new buildings, plus the ****** economy, and the Archdiocese is nearly broke (or at least having a very tough time getting credit any more). I think that’s a main reason things like stained glass, and carvings are left out.

As for the church that started this thread, I liked the first design better. I never liked the churches which insist in putting the Altar in the dead center of the building. You can very easily make the Altar the center of attention (without taking “central” literally) and not have half your congregation staring at the side or back of the priest.
 
And on a side note, I’m curious if they are merging parishes, why are they building a new church vs just using one or the other existing building? Why are they merging parishes in the first place?
 
This kind of… thing… is what makes me even happier with the prospective designs so far.
I don’t understand this thread…

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it kind of… shallow… maybe even offensive to speak so badly about certain Catholic Churches because you think they are ugly? (…Calling a Church “this thing?” Really??) After all, they are the house of God, regardless of whether or not they are of your particular taste or standard of appearance… you’re there to worship God, first and foremost. :confused:

I dunno… there’s just something about throwing around pictures of Catholic Churches and saying “ewww this is UGLY” that doesn’t quite sit right… 🤷
 
I don’t like the seating on the sides of the altar.

They kind of complicate the reception of communion unless you have an altar railing and the priest uses it.
I KNOW!

The sanctuary REALLY needs to be shoved back a bit, and the seating in the transepts turned forward. I was thinking the same thing about communion and having an altar rail installed. I also think the seating in the nave needs to accommodate more. The seating and sanctuary arrangement is my only real qualm.
 
Thanks for the links.

The Sumter High you refer to is the “new” building that was built in 1983-1984, so it probably seems old to you. It was quite massive when it was built, and as I recall that was the edge of town in those days. I remember that the old downtown of Sumter was in a rather dilapidated condition then. There was a new mall that attracted the crowds.

Is Stuckey Bros. & Hines furniture store still in business? It was out on the highway between Shaw and Sumter. We bought our bedroom furniture, as well as the washer and dryer (all of which I still have–well, the washer has been replaced) there in 1982.

What I remember the most was how lovely the people of Sumter were to us. I have not ever encountered more gracious and kind folks in all my travels.
SHS doubled in size. Mall? Lololololol this mall is embarrassing.

Stuckey Bros. no, Hines yes.

Lovely and gracious? Never heard of that here lol.
 
And on a side note, I’m curious if they are merging parishes, why are they building a new church vs just using one or the other existing building? Why are they merging parishes in the first place?
Both buildings are too small. The larger church holds, I’d guess, 400. The smaller holds, max, 80. Parishes are merging not due to a lack of priests or anything (we have five), but because: 1. the smaller church was recently converted from mission status to parish status and doesn’t have the numbers to sustain it and, 2. the numbers of the Catholic community in general are getting larger each year, very quickly. Neither building is feasible for expansion. The smaller one because it isn’t structurally sound and isn’t particularly beautiful, and isn’t really anything to build on to in the first place (it looks a bit like a tiny 1960s middle class home with siding on it and a steeple on top), and the larger one because of the unfortunate manner of placement on the land, which is very close to roads which cannot just be moved or something.
I don’t understand this thread…

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it kind of… shallow… maybe even offensive to speak so badly about certain Catholic Churches because you think they are ugly? (…Calling a Church “this thing?” Really??) After all, they are the house of God, regardless of whether or not they are of your particular taste or standard of appearance… you’re there to worship God, first and foremost. :confused:

I dunno… there’s just something about throwing around pictures of Catholic Churches and saying “ewww this is UGLY” that doesn’t quite sit right… 🤷
I don’t think it’s offensive. I can criticize church architecture and call it all sorts of ugly without it making judgment on what happens within the walls. A building doesn’t automatically gain beauty just because it’s a church, in my opinion. The building itself and the people and liturgy within it are separate entities and should be criticized or praised usually separately. Granted, it so happens that, generally, you can make some basic assumptions about what liturgies and the “parish environment” might be like from the architecture of the building, especially newer ones, as church architecture continues to become more and more of an identity statement than ever, but still.

I respectfully disagree, wholeheartedly, that it is shallow to call a church or any building ugly, no matter its use.

All Catholic churches are houses of God, yes, but that doesn’t make them automatically architecturally attractive. I can have respect for the parish without adoring their church building. This thread deals with architecture only, and judgments expressed herein are only intended to be about church buildings, not the people inside them nor the God who resides in them.
I don’t like the seating on the sides of the altar.

They kind of complicate the reception of communion unless you have an altar railing and the priest uses it.
I KNOW!

The sanctuary REALLY needs to be shoved back a bit, and the seating in the transepts turned forward. I was thinking the same thing about communion and having an altar rail installed. I also think the seating in the nave needs to accommodate more. The seating and sanctuary arrangement is my only real qualm. It seems that the architect, for some reason, on the plans, considers the transepts part of the nave.
Thanks for the links.

The Sumter High you refer to is the “new” building that was built in 1983-1984, so it probably seems old to you. It was quite massive when it was built, and as I recall that was the edge of town in those days. I remember that the old downtown of Sumter was in a rather dilapidated condition then. There was a new mall that attracted the crowds.

Is Stuckey Bros. & Hines furniture store still in business? It was out on the highway between Shaw and Sumter. We bought our bedroom furniture, as well as the washer and dryer (all of which I still have–well, the washer has been replaced) there in 1982.

What I remember the most was how lovely the people of Sumter were to us. I have not ever encountered more gracious and kind folks in all my travels.
SHS doubled in size. Mall? Lololololol this mall is embarrassing.

Stuckey Bros. no, Hines yes.

Lovely? I dunno about that.
 
I don’t think it’s offensive. I can criticize church architecture and call it all sorts of ugly without it making judgment on what happens within the walls. A building doesn’t automatically gain beauty just because it’s a church, in my opinion. The building itself and the people and liturgy within it are separate entities and should be criticized or praised usually separately. Granted, it so happens that, generally, you can make some basic assumptions about what liturgies and the “parish environment” might be like from the architecture of the building, especially newer ones, as church architecture continues to become more and more of an identity statement than ever, but still.

I respectfully disagree, wholeheartedly, that it is shallow to call a church or any building ugly, no matter its use.

All Catholic churches are houses of God, yes, but that doesn’t make them automatically architecturally attractive. I can have respect for the parish without adoring their church building. This thread deals with architecture only, and judgments expressed herein are only intended to be about church buildings, not the people inside them nor the God who resides in them.
I see what you’re saying, but I still disagree. I think Churches should be given a certain level of respect higher than what you’d give just any random building, and that includes not bashing their appearance publicly or calling them “this thing.” Just my opinion.
 
I don’t understand this thread…

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it kind of… shallow… maybe even offensive to speak so badly about certain Catholic Churches because you think they are ugly? (…Calling a Church “this thing?” Really??) After all, they are the house of God, regardless of whether or not they are of your particular taste or standard of appearance… you’re there to worship God, first and foremost. :confused:

I dunno… there’s just something about throwing around pictures of Catholic Churches and saying “ewww this is UGLY” that doesn’t quite sit right… 🤷
I dunno, I’d think that you would immediately know that it was a house of God by the way it looked, part of you wouldn’t be thinking “that looks like a ___, but oh, I see, it’s a church.” Maybe older folks like me still associate houses of God with spires, stained glass, statues, bells, etc. imho
 
I dunno, I’d think that you would immediately know that it was a house of God by the way it looked, part of you wouldn’t be thinking “that looks like a ___, but oh, I see, it’s a church.” Maybe older folks like me still associate houses of God with spires, stained glass, statues, bells, etc. imho
Amen! 🙂
 
I am truly amazed at the sacrifices the people must have made that contributed to the building of those beautiful old churches. I have no doubt that God has truly blessed them for their sacrifices. And sacrifice is what it takes to build beautiful new churches and renovate the old ones. People must willingly give generously to their building fund. There should also be good devout Catholics on the building committee as well. If you don’t like the drawings etc, make your voice heard and get involved. The building committee has to work with the funds they have or have been pledged.

I agree with the OP about the second design. It is one of the nicer modern Catholic churches that I have seen. And I think it is wonderful that they recycling many of the older items such as the beautiful old stained glass windows, high altar, baptistry, statues etc. This not only retains some of the beauty but it also saves money.
 
The first floor plan is definitely questionable. Slanted pews will give the poor parishoners a neckache and a great deal of disorientation. I would have no issues with it if it were in a circular church like the Pantheon, but this isn’t a circular church! There’s no need to slant the pews. 🤷

Apart from the disgraceful pews and east end walls, though, I would refrain from calling the first floor plan ‘modern’ without any description of the rest of the building. Did you know some of the earliest and most beautiful churches were in a basilica layout? 😉 In any case, I’m not an ardent supporter of the basilica layout for new parishes. When celebrated versus populum, it makes the mass look a bit like a performance on a stage in a school hall, although it makes more sense when you’re celebrating ad orientem.

The second floor plan, however, does well for me. For a choir loft to work out, there must be a good high ceiling. Like the others, though, I do have an issue with the altar being so far forward. The poor priest will need to trek a long way to get to the altar from his chair. They can certainly afford to push it further back. What I really do like, though, is the allowance they made for further expansion when your parish eventually grow, and I’m sure it will grow when they are gifted with such a beautiful building. Don’t get your hopes up about side chapels though. I don’t see much room in your new parish for them, but I suppose they don’t have much money to go around. 😦

In my worthless opinion, appointments like stained glass windows and murals can wait for later. I take the view that it is more important that a parish with a limited budget should make a good long-term investment in a good floor plan. The roots of the architectural design must be both faithful to tradition and strong in utility. Windows can be replaced any time, but foundations can’t. Though if the stained glass are directly transplanted from the old church, then why not? 😉
 
Here’s the church where my SIL and BIL attend. Just for perspective.

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Here’s the inside of it. Yes, those are plastic chairs and no, there are no kneelers at all.

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Here’s the church where my SIL and BIL attend. Just for perspective.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa264/hey_mom/cliftocathe.jpg

Here’s the inside of it. Yes, those are plastic chairs and no, there are no kneelers at all.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa264/hey_mom/rcinter.jpg
The upper half of the interior actually looks quite nice, though it looks more appropriate in a modern museum. A real pity about the chairs though, and what’s that microphone doing in the centre? Reminds me of one of those university forums.

The exterior is just rubbish, is all. :rolleyes:
 
I don’t understand this thread…

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it kind of… shallow… maybe even offensive to speak so badly about certain Catholic Churches because you think they are ugly? (…Calling a Church “this thing?” Really??) After all, they are the house of God, regardless of whether or not they are of your particular taste or standard of appearance… you’re there to worship God, first and foremost. :confused:

I dunno… there’s just something about throwing around pictures of Catholic Churches and saying “ewww this is UGLY” that doesn’t quite sit right… 🤷
Amen. There is certainly room for comments as far as personally not favoring one design or another but you’re absolutely right. All too often I hear church designs being attacked with comments like “modernist”, “progressive” and “liberal.” Yet if you really question the complainer the diatribes typically distill down personal taste.
 
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