What do you think of Thomas Merton?

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Any of you Traditional Catholics Merton fans or do you avoid his writings? I read his *Seven Story Mountain *and enjoyed it because I love (auto)biographies and was fascinated to learn about the Trappist monk lifestyle. I haven’t read his spiritual books, though, because a friend recommended I avoid that “liberal.”
 
It has been advised that one avoid Merton’s spiritual works. The liberal Episcopalians I knew used to like his spiritual stuff b/c, apparently, it was pro-Buddhism.

Not to hijack this thread, but I think people should also avoid most of the books by Dennis and Matthew Linn. Their spiritual books are very liberal, too!
 
Seven Storey Mountain, Sign of Jonas, and Waters of Siloe are very good.

I’ve not read Seeds of Contemplation.

I would be wary of his later writings, though.
 
both seeds of contemplation and the seven storey mountain are pretty orthodox am sure. enjoyed reading them both.

although, i have heard warnings about his later writings.
 
I’ve not read Merton, but have seen a show about his life and a guest on EWTN live said Merton was wanting to get back to the monastery before he died, according to his journal. His writings are used by liberals like Frs.M Basil Pennington and Richard Rohr. The latter a dissenter of at least one Catholic doctrine, homosexual unions as he presided at one in 1997. I dropped out of his “Men As Leaders and Elders”, “MALE” spirituality groups in my parish due to this.

Liberal or progressive isn’t all bad as long as it doesn’t contradict Catholic teaching, but increasingly you can’t tell a progressive from a dissenter nowadays. The lines are blurred but the lines can be detected in Church documents which people seem to avoid in favor of “American Idol” The word idol should be a clue! Merton would not have watched it!
 
I’ve never read anything of his. But I do know of him…I am glad to hear he wanted to return to the monastery…He got a bit off the path , but don’t we all at some point in time?

I think he was quite gifted as a writer, to be as popular as he was
 
I have read a lot of Merton’s books. His early books are quite good. New Seeds of Contemplation was my favorite.

I have not quite figured out where Merton was going in the last years of his life. He was in the process of exploring Buddhism. I am not clear of his intentions, if he wanted to incorporate these teachings with Christian practices or if he was just trying to understand why Buddhists believe the way they do. Hopefully he was not going to compromise his Catholic faith.
 
He also fell in love with a nurse and would go to see her quite often

I have never read ,or heard that he did anything more than talk to her, but he was at least infatuated for a time. I don’t know what ever happened between them, or if the friendship cooled, and that is why he started his travels

I would like to see a more in depth program about him than the one I watched…It was fascinating
 
Having read a few Merton books and the 'Mountain.and discussions with my dad who has been reading him for around 50 years, I’ve formed a good idea of the guy. It’s basically this…

He grew up in a horribly corrosive environment where everyone around him hated Catholics for various reasons. I he read James Joyce and somehow, only the Lord knows, he decided to become Catholic. He had a real draw to the monastary because he was drawn into prayer.

He was also connected with the world around him unlike most CSSO monks, making him still a man of his times, not totally removed from current events, and this put a unique stress on his spirituality. In and around the time of World War II the far eastern oriental world was beginning to open up to the occidental world. There was a lot of mystery about this various forms of mysiticism and spirituality flooding into the west. He was open enough to see that there was a thread of truth in all of that… many mystical Catholics can see that the imprint of God is in everything. He kinda’ sorta’ got caught up in that.

He also sorta’ kinda’ got caught up in the changing social situation of the world: civil rights movements, feed the poor, etc. I’m not too sure but I doubt he was aware that the social revolutions were being used by the forces of evil to de-humanize the masses in a subversive plot by Satan to undermind the mission of the Church. The humanism of the mid-20th century is really what is still giving us so many problems today.

Merton can thus be seen as a liberal, but he really is not liberal at all. He was a staunch defender of the faith. Although in private letters and journals later published he was often seen as a bit of a gossip. I can understand how that happens. The ‘recounting of another’s sin’ is usually – almost always, the last habitual mortal sin to leave a man or woman (and often into old age). God’s plan really is mysterious as Merton never quite made it back; dying much younger than many people would have hoped. In some ways it may have saved his immortal soul.

I’ve known quite a few converts – good strong converts – who became Catholics via the writings of Merton. I’d say before reading too much Merton try to spread your wings into a healthy reading of the Catechism and don’t forget to pray for guidance and faith. Also, read some works by other Cistercians and Carthusians. Take these books one bit at a time they are very high level. I usually read two unrelated books at the same time, one easy and one harder. Its also a worthy piece of advice that when reading the works of people of a solitary lifestyle that you’re going to get everything that was going on in their heads. When they get back to their cell after hard work in the fields they have nobody to go off on. Observe the older unmarried men (or guys without girlfriends) you’ll see that they do complaining at work – and then their usually fine by the time they get home. This is the opposite of married men and women.

So, to anyone who thinks that Merton was a bad guy. Imagine if I wrote down everything we thought! We’d be driven out of town and shot… so let’s not discuss the Hanuman golden hindu monkey god that our president carries with him in his pocket. In all fairness of course, he does carry a Modonna and Child statuette on his person too. There is some audacious hope there I guess – pray for the president’s soul and conversion.

Back to Merton. Reading Merton’s alright. Don’t get caught up in his criticisms or social agenda.
 
Thanks for explaining! All of us get off the Catholic faith, I know I have. Still, I wouldn’t want/encourage people to read anything “spiritual musings” I had during that time.
 
I have read all of Thomas Merton’s works. He was a convert before Vatican II. He gave me much to think about but he never challenged my faith. The nurse incident didn’t phase me either one way or the other. He was a fallible human being who had a “blog” long beofore “blogs” arrived.

The most profound thing he wrote (for me) and which I calligraphed and illuminated was:

“The rain ceases, and the bird’s clear song suddenly announces the difference between Heaven and Hell.”

Spero in Deo. Anyone who lives in the Deep South during the spring knows whereof he speaks.
 
Thomas Merton is a topic of frequent discussion in our home.

My dh is a Merton scholar, on the board of the Int’l Thomas Merton Society, and has published original research on him. One of his favorite places is the Abbey of Gethsemani near Bardstown, KY, where Merton resided and had his hermitage (from which he would occasionally slip out, hitchhike into town and visit a wonderful, large family who lived there. He very much enjoyed their vibrant family life.)

My husband is particularly fond of Merton’s lectures given while novice master.

Here is a link to the Merton Center at Bellarmine College:

mertoncenter.org/Research/Classification.asp
 
It’s worth noting that though the abbey is near Bardstown, KY, it is in fact in a town nonetheless named Trappist, KY.

Just found that out… 😛

I read in a book written by a priest somewhere… I think Jim Martin, SJ wrote it… if a priest doesn’t fall in love sometime there’s something wrong with the guy…

…now, I’m not a priest but as a man I meet a lot of everyday women that I could fall for based on how they conduct themselves. The moral is that men like to love women. I love my mom and the Blessed Mother… and so on.
 
It’s worth noting that though the abbey is near Bardstown, KY, it is in fact in a town nonetheless named Trappist, KY.

Just found that out… 😛
Indeed, it is…and what an incredibly beautiful place! Those monks sure know where to build.
 
Jim,

Thanks for your thorough and well thought out response! Thanks also for that added “trivia” knowledge about our current President…I never knew!
 
Jim,

Thanks for your thorough and well thought out response! Thanks also for that added “trivia” knowledge about our current President…I never knew!
I read - and loved - “Seven Story Mountain”. I didn’t read anything else except maybe the Wiki about him. I heard that he died from electrocution in a bathtub overseas. From what very very little I know about him, I’ve concluded that he was a faithful Catholic who loved Buddhism as well.

It’s just a theory and I know I’ll think differently when I read his books further, but it seems to me that God loved this man very much, however, he seemed to be headed in a different direction than God wanted and since He loved him, God wanted to make sure he spent eternity with him. Therefore the accident that took his life.

Oh well, just a weak theory. Again, I know hardly anything about Thomas Merton, but I loved his “Seven Story Mountain”.

Anyone have any good links to his life story?
 
I loved Seven Storey Mountain too! It was one of the first books I read when I was beginning my conversion to the Church! He was a gifted writer, in my opinion.
 
So let’s not discuss the Hanuman golden hindu monkey god that our president carries with him in his pocket.
Why not? Hanuman, in Hindu theology, is the consummate devotee, always meditating on the Lord. (By the way, Hanuman’s Birthday is celebrated this year on Holy Thursday.)
 
Life and Holiness by Thomas Merton should be required reading of most Catholics in my humble opinion.
 
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