What does being an informed practicing Catholic mean to you?

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What does being an informed practicing Catholic Mean?

GBY

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Informed is not necessarily a person full of knowledge, but a person who is listening.
Obedience (ob-audiere, “to hear”). Head knowledge does not always translate to good practice of the faith.

I think practicing must include an active ministry, to the capability of the individual. So it’s not a detraction for an elderly person, for instance, to be in the pew praying and frequenting the sacraments, because that’s their station in life.
For an able bodied person, practicing must mean ministry to the community in some way, in addition to a vibrant sacramental life.
 
PJM said:
For the sake of discussion {i’m the OP]

If “everyone” knows about abortion why did 47% of self professed catholic s still vote for H.C. and the Democratic Party Platform powerful commitment to abortion funding, gay “marriage” and transgender bathrooms?

And if “all” know about Sacramental Confession, why is it that only 10% -15% of sell professed catholic s take advantage of it?

I’m in total agreement with your final statement:thumbsup:

GBY
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Since only approx 25-27% of Catholics attend Mass every Sunday, I would imagine that a large percentage of the 47% do not attend Mass regularly.

The remaining minority, who attend mass regularly, simply dissent publicly or privately with the Church’s teachings.
 
goout said:
Informed is not necessarily a person full of knowledge, but a person who is listening.
Obedience (ob-audiere, “to hear”). Head knowledge does not always translate to good practice of the faith.

I think practicing must include an active ministry, to the capability of the individual. So it’s not a detraction for an elderly person, for instance, to be in the pew praying and frequenting the sacraments, because that’s their station in life.
For an able bodied person, practicing must mean ministry to the community in some way, in addition to a vibrant sacramental life.
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GOOD POINT!🙂

But “head knowledge” leads to HEART knowledge, as evidenced bu the now 2,000 year old Bible; yes?👍

GBY
 
phil19034 said:
Since only approx 25-27% of Catholics attend Mass every Sunday, I would imagine that a large percentage of the 47% do not attend Mass regularly.

The remaining minority, who attend mass regularly, simply dissent publicly or privately with the Church’s teachings.
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Thank you!

GBY
 
Pax et Bonum! “Speak Lord, Your Servant Is Listening”…as Scripture tells us all we have to do. angeltime:angel1:
 
PJM said:
What does being an informed practicing Catholic Mean?

GBY

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It means whatever the speaker intended when they said it, and those meanings are various in my experience, but I’d likely assume:
  1. baptized, and fully initiated (unless a young latin rite), Christian in communion with the pope
  2. living their faith as best they can as they understand it for their level of instruction and ability, so for most this means things like prayer, everyday charity, living the precepts, cooperating with the Holy Spirit, following the moral law, if older following their vocation, etc.
  3. the use of the word “informed” as opposed to the word “formed” suggests to me that the person speaking thinks the person they are describing knows what is going on in the Church, say in Rome or their local diocese, or perhaps knows about canon law and other things that are more esoteric.
I might assume they are also well formed, but since that wasn’t specified, 🤷
 
Pug said:
It means whatever the speaker intended when they said it, and those meanings are various in my experience, but I’d likely assume:
  1. baptized, and fully initiated (unless a young latin rite), Christian in communion with the pope
  2. living their faith as best they can as they understand it for their level of instruction and ability, so for most this means things like prayer, everyday charity, living the precepts, cooperating with the Holy Spirit, following the moral law, if older following their vocation, etc.
  3. the use of the word “informed” as opposed to the word “formed” suggests to me that the person speaking thinks the person they are describing knows what is going on in the Church, say in Rome or their local diocese, or perhaps knows about canon law and other things that are more esoteric.
I might assume they are also well formed, but since that wasn’t specified, 🤷
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PJM:
AMEN! and thanks

GBY
 
PJM said:
For the sake of discussion {i’m the OP]

If “everyone” knows about abortion why did 47% of self professed catholic s still vote for H.C. and the Democratic Party Platform powerful commitment to abortion funding, gay “marriage” and transgender bathrooms?

And if “all” know about Sacramental Confession, why is it that only 10% -15% of sell professed catholic s take advantage of it?

I’m in total agreement with your final statement:thumbsup:

GBY
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Because being informed doesn’t necessarily mean they obey church teaching?
 
Pax et Bonum! there are a lot of comments about the “why’s” when it came to voting for HC and the Democratic Party, that so many Catholics went with a party that supports abortion, etc. Many Catholics are disappointed about this, and came to the conclusion the voters didn’t see they had much choice - for example - they could vote for someone who “may” lead them into more war, or they could vote for someone who supports these immoral issues against Church teaching, but at that can still remain outside of it - for example, they vote for it - but do not participate directly in it. The remaining disagreement, is that voting IS participating. Others probably would have said, “there are no candidates; therefore I wont be voting.” - and didn’t.

I agree, that the Church doesn’t change and that the people are to conform or CONVERT to the Church. If the Church changes over and over and compromises over and over to accommodate everything and everyone going on, the Church will be snuffed out - not completely though because Jesus said, “the gates of hell will not prevail.” There are many things happening in the world too, that are more of a trend and if the Church changes to accommodate trends, again there will be loss. As for being informed - it might also mean making the right decisions for the salvation of your soul. Are we being called to the carpet by God? Being tested as gold in fire:highprayer:? All of this is in scripture. angeltime
 
Pax et Bonum! Folllowing Church Teaching and the Gospels is a gift from God and a grace to receive if we are open to it…we have many Saints, such as St Francis who followed the teachings and LIVED the gospels very closely and then received the Stigmata. There are many Saints we can read about to follow in their footsteps as an example of actually DOING IT…it takes some letting go and emptying out of one’s self to not get caught up in the world’s pomp which stands in the way…[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]angeltime
 
angeltime said:
Pax et Bonum! there are a lot of comments about the “why’s” when it came to voting for HC and the Democratic Party, that so many Catholics went with a party that supports abortion, etc. Many Catholics are disappointed about this, and came to the conclusion the voters didn’t see they had much choice - for example - they could vote for someone who “may” lead them into more war, or they could vote for someone who supports these immoral issues against Church teaching, but at that can still remain outside of it - for example, they vote for it - but do not participate directly in it. The remaining disagreement, is that voting IS participating. Others probably would have said, “there are no candidates; therefore I wont be voting.” - and didn’t.

I agree, that the Church doesn’t change and that the people are to conform or CONVERT to the Church. If the Church changes over and over and compromises over and over to accommodate everything and everyone going on, the Church will be snuffed out - not completely though because Jesus said, “the gates of hell will not prevail.” There are many things happening in the world too, that are more of a trend and if the Church changes to accommodate trends, again there will be loss. As for being informed - it might also mean making the right decisions for the salvation of your soul. Are we being called to the carpet by God? Being tested as gold in fire:highprayer:? All of this is in scripture. angeltime
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What you expressed is accurate, yet is not “right”

The USCCB “United states Conference of CATHOLIC Bishops”] teach and taught that NO other [none, zip, zero] issue can or does override the issue of Abortion which is LIFE itself.

Without:shrug: “life” nothing else matters.

This past election Did [thank GOD!] see an improvement in the number of self-identified “catholic s” who voted against the Democratic Party platform of Abortion, same sex “marriages” and Transgender “rights”…

Recent history had shown 52%-53%, and this election 47%.

Trump MAY be immoral, BUT the Democrat candidate & there platform** are **“A-MORAL”

GBY

Patrick
 
Peace…I do agree with your comments and the Church’s teaching - “no exceptions” - previously I was explaining how some may have arrived at their voting decision after speaking with some concerned people - Catholic and other faiths.

As for me, I am Canadian not being part of the voting, however have several American friends who were stressed and felt misled, but managed to vote with their conscience.

I prayed fervently for them during this time. God bless, angeltime[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
 
angeltime said:
Pax et Bonum! Folllowing Church Teaching and the Gospels is a gift from God and a grace to receive if we are open to it…we have many Saints, such as St Francis who followed the teachings and LIVED the gospels very closely and then received the Stigmata. There are many Saints we can read about to follow in their footsteps as an example of actually DOING IT…it takes some letting go and emptying out of one’s self to not get caught up in the world’s pomp which stands in the way…[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]angeltime
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WELCOME TO CAF:)

Nicely done, thanks

Patrick
 
angeltime said:
Peace…I do agree with your comments and the Church’s teaching - “no exceptions” - previously I was explaining how some may have arrived at their voting decision after speaking with some concerned people - Catholic and other faiths.

As for me, I am Canadian not being part of the voting, however have several American friends who were stressed and felt misled, but managed to vote with their conscience.

I prayed fervently for them during this time. God bless, angeltime[BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]
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Thank YOU so very much:)

Just as a FYI:
From the Catholic Catechism

1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is upright and truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity with the true good willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispensable for human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to prefer their own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings.

GBY

Patrick
 
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