What does Catholicism say about God?

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Who is He?
What is our relationship with Him?
Should we love Him? Fear Him?
How can we talk to Him?
What does it mean to worship Him?
 
You have been here longer than I.

So, it is assumed you have already asked the same questions before.

And it is assumed that you are coming back again…because you do not accept the answers.

You will hear the same again.

You do not change. We do not change.
 
I don’t think I have asked these questions. In general I don’t come here to talk about Catholicism, but really to talk about Islam in threads where the subject comes up. But a link on the side of the page with apologetics for answering Muslims made me curious how people would answer these questions from a Muslim.

So having not asked these questions, having not heard the answers, I can’t have accepted or rejected them. I don’t inquire from a spiritual perspective or to imply that I’m considering Catholicism as a path, I’d just like a few simple answers to a few simple questions.

And I’d like to point out that people do change. Myself and others. And even religions change. But no need to take offense at a few simple questions. Are they somehow sinister in their wording?

Cheers.
 
Who is He?
He is the creator of the world. He existed before time and will exist after time. His knowledge is infinite and divine and is thus a person, known as The Word, who became man… Jesus, born through the Virgin Mary. The love between the creator and The Word is infinite and divine and is thus a person, known as The Holy Spirit. God is three distinct persons but not separate for they know with the same intellect and love with the same will.
What is our relationship with Him?
Jesus taught us that our relationship with God the creator is one of father and child. Our relationship with Jesus is brotherly. And our relationship with the Holy Spirit is one of councelling.
Should we love Him? Fear Him?
Both.
How can we talk to Him?
Through prayer and meditation.
What does it mean to worship Him?
To worship Him is to offer sacrifice, and the only true sacrifice pleasing to God is His son who died on the cross for us. This is why the Eucharist is central to Catholic worship; It makes the sacrifice on the cross present to us.
 
While I’m far from a spokesperson for Catholicism these days, I don’t know that it says anything radically different than any other Christian church. The major division between the Christian West and the Christian East in terms of their theology has been seen as Cataphatic (positivist) versus Apophatic (negativist) theologies, though I am one of those who sees a bit of both in each, and not necessarily any conflict between the two, if proper care is taken to give both the East and the West their proper due, including acknowledging the inherent capability of either to produce orthodox theology (e.g., it is not wrong because it’s western/eastern; let’s evaluate ideas on their merits, please).

This is important to how we might choose to answer questions about God’s nature or essence, but not so much in establishing with certainty who or what God is, since all Christian churches agree about that up to a point (keeping in mind the “Theotokos/Christotokos” controversy involving the ACoE, and the issues surrounding the Council of Chalcedon in 451 for the Oriental Orthodox; these deserve their own threads, yet would not be solved anywhere).

From the point of view of an individual…whatever it is I am…I would answer your questions by looking at the person of the Savior Jesus Christ. The Incarnate God affirms His oneness with the Father in John 14. “He who has seen Me has seen the Father” (Jn 14:9). So we can see the Father through the Son, but outside of that I am not sure how to respond to this, because I do not know that there is some “other” place where God is, or that matter isn’t. Our relationship to God is not like that, from what I can tell from praying, reading, talking to holy men, and praying some more. In the book A Beginner’s Introduction to the Philokalia (an introduction to one of the classic works of Eastern Orthodox thought), there is a great passage from Clement of Alexandria (c.200 AD) wherein he writes:

“If the presence of some good man always molds for the better one who converses with him, owing to the respect and reverence which he inspires, with much more reason must he, who is always in the uninterrupted presence of God by means of his knowledge and his life… Such is he who believes that God is everywhere present, and does not suppose Him to be shut up in certain definite places, (so) that he could never be apart from God whether by day or by night.” (Coniaris 2004: 91)

I think this is a great way to look at questions like yours, because it emphasizes the effect of the relationship with God on the believer, and how it permeates every aspect of his life. I hear a lot from Muslims about how Islam is superior to other religions because it provides a “complete system” or what have you so that you can always know how to behave in every part of your life. Honestly, I’ve never seen Christianity as any less a complete way of life, it is just understood and expressed differently for many different reasons (the most obvious of which is our belief in the incarnation and all that follows from it in the Christian narrative).

Not much else to say, except that to love God and to fear God are not mutually exclusive options. We do both when we truly do either.

We can talk to Him as Christ taught us to: “Our Father, who art in heaven…” :gopray:

What does it mean to worship Him? Oh, Amy…such big questions for one thread! I don’t know…what does it mean to you to live?

I appreciate your inquisitive spirit.
 
IN THE SIXTH CHAPTER of the book of the prophet Isaiah we find one of the most striking and illuminating biblical accounts of an encounter with God. As we’ve come to expect from the Scripture, this narrative is at the same time beautiful, puzzling, and deeply strange.

Fr. Barron takes up this scripture and what it tells us about the nature of God.

You can find it here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/05/07/the-awful-holiness-of-god/

Another teaser:

“The Lord God allows himself to be seen, but how unnerving, paradoxical, and disorienting this vision is, in Isaiah’s day and ours. Isaiah envisions God on a high throne, but he also remarks that the train of God’s garment fills the temple. This play of transcendence and immanence, distance and closeness is typical in biblical descriptions of God. Adam and Eve, as we have seen, try to grasp at God, but they are confounded by God’s ungraspable otherness; then they try to hide from God, but they are blocked by God’s unavoidable closeness. Moses is drawn by the beauty of the burning bush but then is rebuffed when he tries to manipulate God by seizing his name.”

Hope you enjoy it

dj
 
See the Catechism of the Catholic Church (available on line) for a summary answer to your questions, and St. Thomas Aquinas for deeper answers.

That is–if answers are what you really want.

Why do you love a religion started by a pedophile?
 
I love Him, I fear Him, I talk to Him daily, and I worship Him by following his commandments.
 
See the Catechism of the Catholic Church (available on line) for a summary answer to your questions, and St. Thomas Aquinas for deeper answers.

That is–if answers are what you really want.

Why do you love a religion started by a pedophile?
What a question? I must say. How quickly we forget the infamous pedophiles that we knew so well…
 
He is the creator of the world. He existed before time and will exist after time. His knowledge is infinite and divine and is thus a person, known as The Word, who became man… Jesus, born through the Virgin Mary. The love between the creator and The Word is infinite and divine and is thus a person, known as The Holy Spirit. God is three distinct persons but not separate for they know with the same intellect and love with the same will.
Hm. So God exists outside of time, would you say? If His knowledge is infinite, and His knowledge is divine, and is according to you “thus a person,” is there any other person who is infinite and divine? How does a Word (or “The Word”) become a man? What happens then to the Word? Does it cease to exist in spoken form? What was the Word before it was man? Something spoken, uttered? Or something thought? Or a collection of ideas, a collection of knowledge, or something else? Whose Word is it anyway? Or does it belong to anyone at all? Does the idea of infinity conflict with the transformation of Word into man? Or was word always man instead of actually becoming man?

If love between Creator and Word is infinite and divine and also a person, what is the purpose of that person? How does it manifest?
Jesus taught us that our relationship with God the creator is one of father and child. Our relationship with Jesus is brotherly. And our relationship with the Holy Spirit is one of councelling.
Who is Jesus? The Word, born through the Virgin Mary? So may I say that “The Word” taught you about your relationship with God the creator? If God the Creator is the Father, and you are a child, and Jesus is your brother, does that make Jesus a child also? Is his relationship to God the same as yours? What is the relationship of Jesus to the Holy Spirit? What is the relationship of the Holy Spirit to God the Creator?
To an equal degree, or should love or fear overpower the other? How does God feel about us? Why?
Through prayer and meditation.
What is prayer, and what is meditation? And what is the difference?
To worship Him is to offer sacrifice, and the only true sacrifice pleasing to God is His son who died on the cross for us. This is why the Eucharist is central to Catholic worship; It makes the sacrifice on the cross present to us.
If you cannot offer the true sacrifice, then how can you truly worship Him? Does partaking of the Eucharist mean you are actually making a sacrifice? And if so, in what sense?

(And what is the Eucharist? I am assuming you mean ritually consuming bread and wine indicative of the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ? Please elaborate.)
 
How do you talk to Him?

And what are His commandments that you follow?
I talk to God like any child talks to their Father … with respect, love, and at times anger.

Most times it is silently, in my head, and I say something like “Hey God, it’s me, I really need your help today because I know I am feeling weak. Also, sorry about the other day when I got angry, but I am sure you were watching and saw what happened and well you know you created me, you know what type of temperament you gave me, hehehe, so anyway, thanks for listening”

I just say stuff that I would if He was standing right in front of me.

As for the Commandments, as an earlier poster said, you have been on these forums long enough, the Commandments are the 10 Commandments delivered to Moses.

I also try and follow the golden rule that Jesus gave us, to love one another has He loved us.

Supposedly Islam believes in the same God as Christians, so wouldn’t you do all these things that you are asking us?
 
I talk to God like any child talks to their Father … with respect, love, and at times anger.

Most times it is silently, in my head, and I say something like “Hey God, it’s me, I really need your help today because I know I am feeling weak. Also, sorry about the other day when I got angry, but I am sure you were watching and saw what happened and well you know you created me, you know what type of temperament you gave me, hehehe, so anyway, thanks for listening”
So are you asking for forgiveness, or just dismissing the anger? I’m curious to know.
I just say stuff that I would if He was standing right in front of me.
How does the respect manifest if you imagine Him standing right in front of you? Do you feel like bowing or anything out of respect or honor?
As for the Commandments, as an earlier poster said, you have been on these forums long enough, the Commandments are the 10 Commandments delivered to Moses.
God delivered many commandments to Moses, not just the 10. What makes those 10 special? Why those and not others, if no others? If others, which of them?
I also try and follow the golden rule that Jesus gave us, to love one another has He loved us.
How has “He” loved us?
Supposedly Islam believes in the same God as Christians, so wouldn’t you do all these things that you are asking us?
I in fact have my own answers to the questions but they aren’t exactly relevant at the moment, while I’m trying to discuss the Catholic perspective.
 
I’m not Catholic, so I haven’t been responding to this thread, but these questions look like the OP is trying to lead participants on. I can’t help but feel Sister Amy is looking for a specific response. I apologize if I’m wrong.
 
I’m not Catholic, so I haven’t been responding to this thread, but these questions look like the OP is trying to lead participants on. I can’t help but feel Sister Amy is looking for a specific response. I apologize if I’m wrong.
Well you’re close. I am leading participants on (that much should be obvious so I need not conceal it) but not to any particular end. What I’m curious about is the different responses, how their phrased, and what logic is behind them. My understanding of Christianity has always been centered around Christ, but I’m curious how more informed Christians, those open to discussing their faith, think about God in a wholistic way.

So this really is to improve my understanding, and not to trap anyone or guide them to any particular conclusion.
 
Who is He?
What is our relationship with Him?
Should we love Him? Fear Him?
How can we talk to Him?
What does it mean to worship Him?
Hi Sister Amy,

This is my imperfect attempt to try and share what Catholicism understands about God.

Who is He?
God **IS **Love. God is a the creator of the world, and there is one single God who appear to us in a Trinity of a Father, Son and a Holy Spirit. This is quite hard for a person to wrap ones head around, and understandably so, however real truth is not always immediately logical (just as Quantum Mechanics/Physics is counter to logical knowledge) this is a fundamental article of faith for all Christians.

Also, it should be added that there are two different understandings of God - Aquinas/Aristotalian and Emotional. Officially, the Catechism talks about a God who is whole simple, with no potential who exists outside time and space. Because this is not as emotionally satisfactory, in practice most people understand God to be in Time and Space and is therefore not wholly simple (Personally, I don’t see a contradiction).

What is our relationship with Him?
It is a covenant beginning with Adam (Family), Abraham (Tribe/Village etc), Moses (Nation), David (Kingdom) and culminates in Jesus (Divine Kingdom). Through the incarnation of Jesus, who Christians believe is both fully God and fully Man, the servile relationship (begun with the fall of Adam) is restored to that of a family in a Divine Kingdom. So all humans (Catholics believe) are children of God, and siblings under an elder brother - Christ.

**Should we love Him? Fear Him? **
As mentioned in the first part, God is Love. He is the ultimate expression of love. And man is created to glorify the Lord God through Love. Loving God, leads to Fearing God. Not in the contemporary sense of Fear as a negative emotion, but that ultimate sense of fear given as a firm expression of gratitude and love. (Such as how the prophet Isaiah bowed down and how Peter begged the Lord to leave him when the saw the brilliance of the Lord.)

How can we talk to Him?
God is spoken to in prayer, in conversation, the ultimate aim of which is the eventual correspondence of our will and life to His. Prayer begins with rote learning or spontaneous conversation and as one develops spiritually and emotionally becomes a sustaining grace.

What does it mean to worship Him?
Worshiping the Lord, in the Catholic sense, culminates in most importantly the act of the Mass where the Eucharist is celebrated (this is not idol worship, because to Catholic belief, through sacred sacramental nature the substance of Christ is truly present when the ordained priest consecrates the Eucharist and Christ is God and he did order his followers to eat his body and drink his blood).

Worshiping the Lord, however is not just in a ritual of faith, but requires action. For the Eucharist is the beginning and not the end of the act, which culminates in making all forms of our life an offering to God - finding God in everything in Life.

Hope my answers are satisfactory.

Zach Isaiah
 
Hm. So God exists outside of time, would you say? If His knowledge is infinite, and His knowledge is divine, and is according to you “thus a person,” is there any other person who is infinite and divine? How does a Word (or “The Word”) become a man? What happens then to the Word? Does it cease to exist in spoken form? What was the Word before it was man? Something spoken, uttered? Or something thought? Or a collection of ideas, a collection of knowledge, or something else? Whose Word is it anyway? Or does it belong to anyone at all? Does the idea of infinity conflict with the transformation of Word into man? Or was word always man instead of actually becoming man?
There is no other person, other than the i) Father, ii) Son and iii) Holy Spirit, who are divine. God is a spirit, and like all spirits, he knows and he loves. But his is the only spirit that is inifinite. His is the only spirit that wasn’t created - His spirit has always existed.

The Word became man because He willed it. This is the power of the divine will. What he says is done. He said “Let there be light” and there was light.

The Word is not like the words we use in language. The Word is a term used to describe God’s idea of himself.

It’s understandable that you would think the infinity would “conflict” with the transformation into a man. We could never understand that. It is a mystery of our faith. We believe God became man because scripture says so and we have reason to believe our scripture is divinely inspired.
If love between Creator and Word is infinite and divine and also a person, what is the purpose of that person? How does it manifest?
His purpose is irrelevant to his existance. He exists because that is the nature of God; Three persons who are one in nature.
Who is Jesus? The Word, born through the Virgin Mary? So may I say that “The Word” taught you about your relationship with God the creator? If God the Creator is the Father, and you are a child, and Jesus is your brother, does that make Jesus a child also? Is his relationship to God the same as yours? What is the relationship of Jesus to the Holy Spirit? What is the relationship of the Holy Spirit to God the Creator?
Jesus is not a child in the sense that we are children because we are created. Jesus was not created. Jesus always existed, like the way the Father and The Holy Spirit always existed.
To an equal degree, or should love or fear overpower the other? How does God feel about us? Why?
God loves us so much he became man suffered and died for us.
What is prayer, and what is meditation? And what is the difference?
Prayer is asking. Meditation is allowing God speak to you.
If you cannot offer the true sacrifice, then how can you truly worship Him? Does partaking of the Eucharist mean you are actually making a sacrifice? And if so, in what sense?

(And what is the Eucharist? I am assuming you mean ritually consuming bread and wine indicative of the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ? Please elaborate.)
Oh, but we can offer the true sacrifice. This is what you need to know if you wish to participate in a Catholic forum. I’m dissappointed in you and in ourselves that you have been allowed to participate in these forums for so long and not know about the Eucharist. We have failed you if you have been in these forums for nearly 2 years and nearly 4,000 posts and you still don’t know about The Mass and The Eucharist.
 
I find theology an extremely interesting and chronically undervalued pursuit, and I really admire people who can discuss it at a sophisticated and abstract level; however I’m acutely aware that I’m not one of those people everytime I attempt to contribute to one of these type of threads. So that said, here are some off the cuff responses to your questions:

Who is he/What is our relationship with him?

We believe God is the Word made flesh, who has existed since before time began and who has created all of us in order to love and serve him. He is a Person who embodies love, goodness, rationality and everything holy and worthwhile.

Should we love him or fear him?

If we love him and trust him, we need not fear him. We should try to emulate him. I think he said we are to love God with all our heart and to treat our neighbor as ourself.

How can we talk to him?

By prayer.

What does it mean to worship him?

I’d say it means keeping his commandments, following his example whenever possible, and participating in the sacramental life of his Church.
 
Sister Amy,

The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is the foundation of our faith in Him. Jesus Christ is the Eternal Word Made Flesh through which God the Father …of the One Same Holy Spirit…brought the universe into existence…

Ours is faith that experiences the living presence of Christ. As a former Mormon said, the Abomination is the Great Apostasy – we are all sinners, we have all failed before God and the great Restoration back to God came with Christ’s life, death and resurrection through His church and sacraments.

Like another said, get a hold of a Catholic Catecheism, and I would add, another on the Vatican II documents of Liturgy --our worship and the way we profess faith.
 
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