What does Daniel 8:13,14 mean?

[barboza21]

Response - The first apartment in type and anti-type.

Type - Ex. 29:42,43 - The visible presence of God in the fisrt apartment of the earthly sanctuary. Anti-type - Rev 4:2-5 - The seven lamps were seen in heaven before the throne

Type - Exo.30:7,8 - The high priest trimmed and lighted the lamps. Anti-type - Rev. 1:13 - Christ was seen among the golden candle-sticks in the heavenly sanctuary.

Type - Exo. 40:24,25 - The lamps in the earthly sanctuary were burning before the Lord. Anti-type - Rev. 4:2,5 - The seven lamps of fire were seen burning before the throne of God in heaven.

Type - Heb. 9:6 - The priest went always into the fist tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God - Anti-type - Heb 7:25 - Christ lives forever to make intercession for us.

Type - Lev. 4:7, 10:16-18 - By the blood and the flesh the sins were transfered to the earthly sanctuary. Anti-type- 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:7 - By the merits of the sacrifice of the body and the blood of Christ, our sins are forgiven.

Type - Num. 18:7 - Nobody but the priest could look behind the veil. All trace of the sin offering was covered from sight. Anti-type - When we confess our sins, they are transfered to the heavenly sanctuary and covered, nevermore to appear… if we are faithful.

written with love

I still can’t hold to the 2 separate compartments in the heavenly sanctuary. The bible keeps repeating that Jesus went into a more perfect sanctuary, he went into Heaven. But it doesn;t say h went into the first part and it doesn’t say he went in 2 separate times. It doesn’t say he moved once he went up to heaven. It says he went up to Heaven ONCE.

Yet, since I haven’t had time to ask the person of my choice, then I will say to you again… Let’s say that I am in full agreement with you (for now) about there being 2 compartments in Heaven. You asked me that question in post #198:
Originally Posted by barboza21
Okay, let me try this another way, what is the importance of there being a first and second comparment in Heaven? (I still don’t understand where the 1st and 2nd compartment is at in heaven… like Jesus moved from outside the pearly gates to the inside of the gates and that is where he sat to the right hand of the father?? [not being funny here–just an example of what I am talking about])

SDAs believe that the great dissappointment wasn’t a disappointment at all – just a misunderstanding of a prophecy, right? I hope I am not wrong to say that SDAs believe that the prophecy was fulfilled in 1844 and that the prophecy wasn’t the 2nd coming but rather the moving of Jesus from the first compartment to the second… why do SDAs believe this?

Thanks!*

Great questions, before I expand on the heavenly sanctuary. Do you agree that there are 2 separate compartments ( the holy place and the most holy place) in the heavenly sanctuary? To answer one of your questions, I do not not where the compartments are in heaven, I just read from the bible that there are 2 compartments.

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So let’s say that I do… can you now expand on why SDAs believe that Jesus moved from the first to the second in 1844?

") Thanks! and God bless

 

[BTTG]

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So let’s say that I do… can you now expand on why SDAs believe that Jesus moved from the first to the second in 1844?

") Thanks! and God bless

**Response - I will start with a few verses, then and I await your response or questions.

At the conclusion of Dan 8, Gabriel is explaining the vision to Daniel that appeared in Ch. 7. This vision consists of 2,600 days ( years) ( Dan 8:26 - “and the vision of the evenings and mornings which was told is true…”). Dan 8:27 continues with Daniel’s comments that he nor anyone else could understand the vision of the 2,300 days. In Ch 9 Daniel is praying for his people and that God will hear his prayer. Dan 9:21 - Gabriel appears to Daniel while he is praying and now comes forth to give Daniel the understanding ( vs 22) of the vision ( of the 2,300 days) he had in the beginning ( vs 21).

Dan 9:24 - The “seventy weeks” , everyone agrees with that it is not 70 literal weeks, but 70 prophetic weeks in which a day equals a year. Therefore, the 70 weeks are equal to 490 years. The 70 years are “determined”, or “cut off” from the 2,300 years. Therefore the start of the 70 weeks are the start of the 2,300 years. Therefore if the “70 weeks” are prophetic weeks = 490 years, then the “2,300days” must also be a prophetic 2,300 years.

Dan. 9:24 - The 490 years are cut off for “your people” = Jews and “for your holy city” = Jerusalem as a nation.

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[ryanoneil]

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Dan 9:24 - The “seventy weeks” , everyone agrees with that it is not 70 literal weeks, but 70 prophetic weeks in which a day equals a year. Therefore, the 70 weeks are equal to 490 years. The 70 years are “determined”, or “cut off” from the 2,300 years. Therefore the start of the 70 weeks are the start of the 2,300 years. Therefore if the “70 weeks” are prophetic weeks = 490 years, then the “2,300days” must also be a prophetic 2,300 years.

Dan. 9:24 - The 490 years are cut off for “your people” = Jews and “for your holy city” = Jerusalem as a nation.

written with love **

Not everyone agrees that the 70 weeks eqaul 490 years and not everyone agrees 2,300 days equals 2,300 years.

 

[BTTG]

Not everyone agrees that the 70 weeks eqaul 490 years and not everyone agrees 2,300 days equals 2,300 years.

**Response - You are correct, I should have not stated “everyone”, that would imply every single person. I should have stated that many scholars believe that 70 weeks = 490 years. But then again, it is not what man states, but what the bible reads. When we read about the 70 weeks, we can only conclude that it is 70 prophetic weeks which equals 490 years.

written with love**

 

[agent_grey]

From personal experience I can personally advise you to avoid all things adventist. They are a Pagan literature worshipping cult. Easily prooved by the flat earth doctrine that they love so dearly.

Stay away. I know this from experience. I was dangerously close to becoming one of these Pagan literature worshippers. Flat earther.

we can argue all we like but we can agree that the earth isn’t flat and therefor the SDA God is a figmant of some mentally ill or intelectualy challenged individuals mind.

Ask yourself if you belive the earth is flat. If you reject this scientific concept you must reject the SDA cult.

Every one now… "I belive in the true God whom created the entire universe. All things seen or unseen. I have witnessed with my own Eyes as testimony to the spherical earth that the true God created. I therefor reject all doctrines and beings that contradict this truth.

 

[BTTG]

From personal experience I can personally advise you to avoid all things adventist. They are a Pagan literature worshipping cult. Easily prooved by the flat earth doctrine that they love so dearly.

Stay away. I know this from experience. I was dangerously close to becoming one of these Pagan literature worshippers. Flat earther.

we can argue all we like but we can agree that the earth isn’t flat and therefor the SDA God is a figmant of some mentally ill or intelectualy challenged individuals mind.

Ask yourself if you belive the earth is flat. If you reject this scientific concept you must reject the SDA cult.

Every one now… "I belive in the true God whom created the entire universe. All things seen or unseen. I have witnessed with my own Eyes as testimony to the spherical earth that the true God created. I therefor reject all doctrines and beings that contradict this truth.

Response - Do you hate SDA Christians?

 

[barboza21]

Response - Do you hate SDA Christians?

Strong question. I don’t know why you would ask suh a thing. From what the person wrote, it may seem he “hates the faith” if any, but not the people. However, I can not speak for this person.

If you ask me, NO I DONT.

I actually love various SDAs. They are part of my family. What I don’t love is the fact that we have separate beliefs, and not both of our faiths can be right.

I am praying the Lord will help us all to become one. I know He will.

I hope you don’t feel as if Catholics, or at least some of them hate SDAs simply because you are not Catholic. If that was the case, I don’t think we would bother to talk to you about the faith. If any Catholic hated you, they wouldn’t take the time to show you God’s truth. Make sense?

 

[barboza21]

**Response - I will start with a few verses, then and I await your response or questions.

At the conclusion of Dan 8, Gabriel is explaining the vision to Daniel that appeared in Ch. 7. This vision consists of 2,600 days ( years) ( Dan 8:26 - “and the vision of the evenings and mornings which was told is true…”). Dan 8:27 continues with Daniel’s comments that he nor anyone else could understand the vision of the 2,300 days. In Ch 9 Daniel is praying for his people and that God will hear his prayer. Dan 9:21 - Gabriel appears to Daniel while he is praying and now comes forth to give Daniel the understanding ( vs 22) of the vision ( of the 2,300 days) he had in the beginning ( vs 21).

Dan 9:24 - The “seventy weeks” , everyone agrees with that it is not 70 literal weeks, but 70 prophetic weeks in which a day equals a year. Therefore, the 70 weeks are equal to 490 years. The 70 years are “determined”, or “cut off” from the 2,300 years. Therefore the start of the 70 weeks are the start of the 2,300 years. Therefore if the “70 weeks” are prophetic weeks = 490 years, then the “2,300days” must also be a prophetic 2,300 years.

Dan. 9:24 - The 490 years are cut off for “your people” = Jews and “for your holy city” = Jerusalem as a nation.

written with love **

Sorry it took me long to respond: I have been trying to do a bit of research before I respond. Here’s what I have about the 70 weeks…

1. Start with 605 AD the message to Jeremiah (25:11) - saying that
   for 70 years they will be enslaved to the king of Babylon. In one
   sense, which Jeremiah saw, this meant the length of captivity -
   Daniel does not contradict, but extends the prophecy by taking
   weeks of years instead of single years, about 70 weeks of years.
2. 605 BC minus 62 weeks (434 years) extends to 171 BC, the death
   of Onias, the High Priest, the anointed one (9:26).
3. Persecution for one week = 7 years, runs from 171-164 (death of
   Onias to death of Antiochus). Antiochus makes the compact with
   many, the fallen Jews (v.27).
4. The half week in v.27 is 167-65, the time of desecration of the
   Temple.

We conclude: the prophecy of the seventy weeks works out rather
well - with allowance for some approximation - in reference to the
times leading up to Antiochus, yet verse 24 refers entirely to the
time of Christ, and there may be vague allusions to that same time
in verse 26.

Taken from ewtn.com

 

[BTTG]

Sorry it took me long to respond: I have been trying to do a bit of research before I respond. Here’s what I have about the 70 weeks…

1. Start with 605 AD the message to Jeremiah (25:11) - saying that
   for 70 years they will be enslaved to the king of Babylon. In one
   sense, which Jeremiah saw, this meant the length of captivity -
   Daniel does not contradict, but extends the prophecy by taking
   weeks of years instead of single years, about 70 weeks of years.

The 70 week prophecy is “determined” or “cut off” from a period of time. The prophecy is not “extended” as this commentator suggests. Also the 70 week prophecy starts at the ( Dan. 9:25) “command to restore and build Jerusalem”. The year of BC 605 does not even come close.

1. 605 BC minus 62 weeks (434 years) extends to 171 BC, the death
   of Onias, the High Priest, the anointed one (9:26).

I do not read “the anointed one” in Dan 9:26. It does say that the Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off (crucified). Their is only one Messiah.

1. Persecution for one week = 7 years, runs from 171-164 (death of
   Onias to death of Antiochus). Antiochus makes the compact with
   many, the fallen Jews (v.27).
2. The half week in v.27 is 167-65, the time of desecration of the
   Temple.

We conclude: the prophecy of the seventy weeks works out rather
well - with allowance for some approximation - in reference to the
times leading up to Antiochus, yet verse 24 refers entirely to the
time of Christ, and there may be vague allusions to that same time
in verse 26.

Notice that the commentator says with “some approx.” Jesus’ time is exact. My understanding of the 70 weeks, as stated in an earlier post, leaves no time variances , or approximations. The author states that vs 24 is entirely to the time of Christ and maybe vs. 26. The Messiah in vs 25 is the same Messiah in vs 26.

With due respect, do you yourself really believe this interpretation? The 70 weeks is all about Jesus and no one else.

 

[barboza21]

barboza21;7996963:

Sorry it took me long to respond: I have been trying to do a bit of research before I respond. Here’s what I have about the 70 weeks…

1. Start with 605 AD the message to Jeremiah (25:11) - saying that
   for 70 years they will be enslaved to the king of Babylon. In one
   sense, which Jeremiah saw, this meant the length of captivity -
   Daniel does not contradict, but extends the prophecy by taking
   weeks of years instead of single years, about 70 weeks of years.

The 70 week prophecy is “determined” or “cut off” from a period of time. The prophecy is not “extended” as this commentator suggests. Also the 70 week prophecy starts at the ( Dan. 9:25) “command to restore and build Jerusalem”. The year of BC 605 does not even come close.

1. 605 BC minus 62 weeks (434 years) extends to 171 BC, the death
   of Onias, the High Priest, the anointed one (9:26).

I do not read “the anointed one” in Dan 9:26. It does say that the Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off (crucified). Their is only one Messiah.

1. Persecution for one week = 7 years, runs from 171-164 (death of
   Onias to death of Antiochus). Antiochus makes the compact with
   many, the fallen Jews (v.27).
2. The half week in v.27 is 167-65, the time of desecration of the
   Temple.

We conclude: the prophecy of the seventy weeks works out rather
well - with allowance for some approximation - in reference to the
times leading up to Antiochus, yet verse 24 refers entirely to the
time of Christ, and there may be vague allusions to that same time
in verse 26.

Notice that the commentator says with “some approx.” Jesus’ time is exact. My understanding of the 70 weeks, as stated in an earlier post, leaves no time variances , or approximations. The author states that vs 24 is entirely to the time of Christ and maybe vs. 26. The Messiah in vs 25 is the same Messiah in vs 26.

With due respect, do you yourself really believe this interpretation? The 70 weeks is all about Jesus and no one else.

In the third vision (chap. 9), in the first year of Darius the Mede, while Daniel is meditating on the prophecy of Jeremiah about the seventy years which Israel will spend in exile in Babylonia, the Angel Gabriel reveals to him that the full restoration will come about after seventy weeks of years (490 years), with the coming of the kingdom of God. The opening date of this prophecy is the prophecy of Jeremiah (cf. Jer. 25:12; 29:12) about the return of Israel from exile in Babylon. The end date is the persecution by and death of Antiochus IV Epiphanius. At the end of the seventy weeks, sacrifice and offering will cease until the decreed destruction of the destroyer. Then there will be an end to sin and the kingdom of the Messiah will come.

Dan 9:24“Seventy ‘sevens’c are decreed for your people and your holy city to finishd transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.e NIV
decreed-An order issued by a legal authority

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. KJV
determined upon-Having made a firm decision and being resolved not to change it

70 weeks were set upon the people and the holy city…

The commentary on my spanish bible says this: The 70 weeks is a symbolic phrase of weeks of years and can not be taken to the dot or meticulously but the first seven: these are the weeks that had elapsed between the destruccion of the temple of Jerusalem in the year 587 and the liberation proclamation of Cyrus, called the anointed one of God in Isaiah 45, in the year 538.

to be continued…