What does Daniel 8:13,14 mean?

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…continued fro previous post.

Now the 70 weeks ( 490 years) are the start of the 2,300 days ( 2,300 years- the prophetic time mentioned in Dan 8:14 and 26).

The start of the 70 weeks is when… Dan 9:25 - " know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem…"

The decree as mentioned in Dan 9:25 can be found in Ezra 6:14 and the year was 457 BC.

… to be continued.

Continued…

Therefore, the 2,300 days in Dan. 8:14 and 26 are 2,300 years. The 2,300 years begin in 457 BC. In 457 BC this started the beginning of the 70 weeks ( 490 years) for Daniel’s people ( Jews) and the Holy city ( Jerusalem). The 70 weeks is the probation period for Daniel’s people.

When we continued to read Dan 8:15-26, we read that during the 2,300 years some of the kingdoms in power will be Media-Persia, Greece and "the 4 kingdoms that arise out of that nation "( Greece). Those four kingdoms being Egypt, Syria, Greece, Turkey. Then late in the time of these kingdoms a king shall arise ( this is the beast in Rev. 17:13).

We know that the kingdoms of Media-Persia ( 539-331 BC) and Greece ( 331-168 BC) lasted longer then 2,300 days.

Therefore, without a doubt, the 2,300 days in Dan. is 2,300 years.

written with love

 

[barboza21]

Continued…

Therefore, the 2,300 days in Dan. 8:14 and 26 are 2,300 years. The 2,300 years begin in 457 BC.

Therefore, without a doubt, the 2,300 days in Dan. is 2,300 years.

written with love

Hi there.
OK. So you’re saying the 2300 days ended up being in 1843, correct? because 2,300-457= 1843. So in 1843 is when the vision given to Daniel was fulfilled?

Daniel 8: 14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

& so this happened in 1843?

Thanks for our (name removed by moderator)ut!

 

[ryanoneil]

Some Early Church Fathers said that the last week of Daniel was seven decades = 70 years, starting with the birth of Christ and ending with the destruction of the Temple and the Old Covenant world.

"For let us not suppose that the computation of Daniel’s weeks was interfered with. . .or that they were not complete, but had to be completed afterward in the end of all things, for Luke most plainly testifies that the prophecy of Daniel was accomplished at the time when Jerusalem was overthrown (Epistle of Augustine (c. 400), by Augustine, 199:31; cited in Golden Chain, by Tomas Aquinas (New York; Aperture, 1978)

“Most authorities extend the one last week of years tothe sum of seventy years, reckoning each year as a ten-year period. They also claim that thirty-five years intervened between the Passion of the Lord and the reign of Nero, and that it was at this latter date when the weapons of Rome were first lifted up against the Jews” (Commentaria in Danielem (408), by Jerome, in Jerome’s Commentary on Daniel, Gleason L. Archer, Jr., trans. (Grand Rapids, Michigan; Baker Book House, 1958).

 

[BTTG]

Hi there.
OK. So you’re saying the 2300 days ended up being in 1843, correct? because 2,300-457= 1843. So in 1843 is when the vision given to Daniel was fulfilled?

Daniel 8: 14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

& so this happened in 1843?

Thanks for our (name removed by moderator)ut!

Thank you for your inquiry. I will comment in a post in the near future. The end date is actually 1844 and not 1843. When we cross from BC to AD there is no year " zero" , therefore we have to add 1 year, which makes the prophecy end in 1844.

written with love

 

[BTTG]

Some Early Church Fathers said that the last week of Daniel was seven decades = 70 years, starting with the birth of Christ and ending with the destruction of the Temple and the Old Covenant world.

**With all due respect about the above thought. It is difficult to say that the last week of Daniel is 70 years. Dan. 9 :25 states from the" building of Jerusalem “( 457 BC) " until Messiah the Prince” ( birth of Jesus- in 27 AD), “there shall be seven weeks and sixty two weeks” ( 69 weeks, or 483 years). Therefore we have one week, or 7 years left in the prophecy. **

"For let us not suppose that the computation of Daniel’s weeks was interfered with. . .or that they were not complete, but had to be completed afterward in the end of all things, for Luke most plainly testifies that the prophecy of Daniel was accomplished at the time when Jerusalem was overthrown (Epistle of Augustine (c. 400), by Augustine, 199:31; cited in Golden Chain, by Tomas Aquinas (New York; Aperture, 1978)

The question I would ask with this statement is before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, who is going to confirm a covenant for one week, who shall in the middle of that week bring and end to sacrifice and offering? I agree that this prophecy does mention that Jerusalem will be destroyed ( Dan. 9:26).

written with love

 

[BTTG]

Originally Posted by barboza21
Hi there.
OK. So you’re saying the 2300 days ended up being in 1843, correct? because 2,300-457= 1843. So in 1843 is when the vision given to Daniel was fulfilled?

Daniel 8: 14He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

& so this happened in 1843?

Thanks for our (name removed by moderator)ut!

**The answer is very long. I will start and then wait for any comments.

Reading in NKJV, Dan. 7:9 - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Ancient of Days = God, wisdom ( Job 12:12)

thrones = judgement ( Rev. 20:4)

The above verse is describing our loving God.

Dan. 7:10 - talks about thousands of angles that are before God and the “court”= judgement, and the “books” ( recording of a person’s life) where opened.

Dan 7:13 - I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

“like the Son of man” = like one of us

In the above verse Jesus is going from the Holy to the Most Holy place in the heavenly sanctuary. God the Father and The Son come together to start the pre-advent judgment. (Rev 20:12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

We will be judged…(Jas 2:12) So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. ( the 10 commandments).

written with love

**

 

[ryanoneil]

ryanoneil;7569091:

With all due respect about the above thought. It is difficult to say that the last week of Daniel is 70 years. Dan. 9 :25 states from the" building of Jerusalem “( 457 BC) " until Messiah the Prince” ( birth of Jesus- in 27 AD), “there shall be seven weeks and sixty two weeks” ( 69 weeks, or 483 years). Therefore we have one week, or 7 years left in the prophecy.

Artaxerxes decrees the rebuilding of Jerusalem about 457 B.C. The first set of seven weeks denote the forty-nine decades according to some early church fathers (from 457 B.C. to 32 A.D). This spans the time from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the public arrival of the Messiah.

The second set of weeks, is not chronological. The begining point of the second set of weeks is not the end of the first set, but whenever the building project actually began. Nehemiah asked Artaxerxes to write another decree to get the actual building of the city (not just the Temple which started earlier) in Nehemiah 1:3; 2:3-13. The actual rebuilding of the city began around 444 B.C. which makes this the beginning of the sixty-two weeks. This segment end around 10 B.C. wich certainly was before the Messiah was cut off. The actual Temple of Zerubbabel was completed by 10 B.C. (which does not include Herods constuction project that added annexes and adjoining buildings until about 63 A.D.) That equals 434 years.

So, there is overlap in the timeline. Not chronology. The ECF’s did not insert a gap of thousands of years between the second set of sixy-two weeks and the final week. There is textual support for overlap. There is not textual support for two-thousand year time gaps.

The question I would ask with this statement is before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, who is going to confirm a covenant for one week, who shall in the middle of that week bring and end to sacrifice and offering? I agree that this prophecy does mention that Jerusalem will be destroyed ( Dan. 9:26).

written with love

These are not chronological events. In (Dan 9:27) the vision recapitulates to give more details. Up to now the Messiah was introduced and then cut off. In parallel, the Temple was rebuilt and then destroyed. That destruction brings us to the end of the seventy weeks. But Daniel needs to give more information about how the Messiah’s activities secure the six blessings.

The Prince, Christ, made a strong covenant that halted the Temple sacrifice during this one week. The strong covenant of Daniel is the New Covenant which Christ made with his blood.

"after our Lord’s Passion, the sacrifice and offering ceased in the middle of the week. For whatever took place in the Temple after that date was not a valid sacrifice to God" (Chronicle, by Eusebius Pamphilius, in The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325)

Every priest stands daily at his ministry, offering frequently those same sacrifices that can never take away sins. But this one offered one sacrifice for sins, and took his seat forever at the right hand of God; (Heb 10:11-12)

This covenant of the Messiah is the unifying theme of the four major prophets. Daniel called it strong and Isaiah called this covenant everlasting (Isa 55:3). Ezekiel said it was a covenant of peace (Ezek 37:26). And Jeremiah mentions it here (Jer 31:31,33).

So this happened about halfway through the seventieth week. Then the Romans came to destroy the Temple. Even the people of the prince, Jewish Zealots, were destroyed along with Jerusalem. They desolated the Temple, and they were, in their turn, desolated themselves.

So to happens that God’s people are told to build God’s Temple. When it is complete the Messiah will come to set up a New Covenant even though He and the Temple will somehow be cut off and desolated. Then at the end the desolator comes.

 

[ryanoneil]

Dan 7:13 - I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

In the above verse Jesus is going from the Holy to the Most Holy place in the heavenly sanctuary.

written with love

Most all Christians in the past 2,000 years have understood this to be decribing Jesus’ ascension to heaven when he came to the Father on a cloud.

 

[barboza21]

**The answer is very long. I will start and then wait for any comments.

Reading in NKJV, Dan. 7:9 - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Ancient of Days = God, wisdom ( Job 12:12)

thrones = judgement ( Rev. 20:4)

The above verse is describing our loving God.

Dan. 7:10 - talks about thousands of angles that are before God and the “court”= judgement, and the “books” ( recording of a person’s life) where opened.

Dan 7:13 - I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

“like the Son of man” = like one of us

In the above verse Jesus is going from the Holy to the Most Holy place in the heavenly sanctuary. God the Father and The Son come together to start the pre-advent judgment. (Rev 20:12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

We will be judged…(Jas 2:12) So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. ( the 10 commandments).

written with love

**

""Verse 13 is quoted in the Gospels by Jesus (Mt. 24:30, 26:64; Mk. 13:26, 14:62; Lk. 21:27).

there are 2 different ways that I have seen it interpreted. One way is that this is referring to the 2nd coming of Christ while others have understood it to be referring to the Ascension.

But Jesus is referring to His 2nd coming in those Gospel passages when He cited Daniel 7:13. Interesting indeed!"" -COPLAND 3
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=257638

In Daniel, it is referring to the Ascension.

 

[BTTG]

BTTG;7570295:

Artaxerxes decrees the rebuilding of Jerusalem about 457 B.C. The first set of seven weeks denote the forty-nine decades according to some early church fathers (from 457 B.C. to 32 A.D). This spans the time from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the public arrival of the Messiah.

****Response - ****

If I understand you in the above statement ( let me know if I am incorrect) the forty nine decades= 490 years. You stated the span ends at “the arrival of the Messiah”. However, in 32 AD the Messiah is cut off (crucified). Jesus arrived ( his ministry started in 27 AD- baptism.

The second set of weeks, is not chronological. The begining point of the second set of weeks is not the end of the first set, but whenever the building project actually began. Nehemiah asked Artaxerxes to write another decree to get the actual building of the city (not just the Temple which started earlier) in Nehemiah 1:3; 2:3-13. The actual rebuilding of the city began around 444 B.C. which makes this the beginning of the sixty-two weeks. This segment end around 10 B.C. wich certainly was before the Messiah was cut off. The actual Temple of Zerubbabel was completed by 10 B.C. (which does not include Herods constuction project that added annexes and adjoining buildings until about 63 A.D.) That equals 434 years.

So, there is overlap in the timeline. Not chronology. The ECF’s did not insert a gap of thousands of years between the second set of sixy-two weeks and the final week. There is textual support for overlap. There is not textual support for two-thousand year time gaps.

Response - with respect, the above statements do not make sense.

These are not chronological events. In (Dan 9:27) the vision recapitulates to give more details. Up to now the Messiah was introduced and then cut off. In parallel, the Temple was rebuilt and then destroyed. That destruction brings us to the end of the seventy weeks. But Daniel needs to give more information about how the Messiah’s activities secure the six blessings.

The Prince, Christ, made a strong covenant that halted the Temple sacrifice during this one week. The strong covenant of Daniel is the New Covenant which Christ made with his blood.

"after our Lord’s Passion, the sacrifice and offering ceased in the middle of the week. For whatever took place in the Temple after that date was not a valid sacrifice to God" (Chronicle, by Eusebius Pamphilius, in The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of the Fathers Down to A.D. 325)

**The above comments are not biblically supported, the sacrifice and offerings were not necessary after the crucifixion of Jesus. It was only the Jews who thought that the temple sacrifices should continue. When did Christ make a covenant in the middle of the week? **

Every priest stands daily at his ministry, offering frequently those same sacrifices that can never take away sins. But this one offered one sacrifice for sins, and took his seat forever at the right hand of God; (Heb 10:11-12)

This covenant of the Messiah is the unifying theme of the four major prophets. Daniel called it strong and Isaiah called this covenant everlasting (Isa 55:3). Ezekiel said it was a covenant of peace (Ezek 37:26). And Jeremiah mentions it here (Jer 31:31,33).

So this happened about halfway through the seventieth week. Then the Romans came to destroy the Temple. Even the people of the prince, Jewish Zealots, were destroyed along with Jerusalem. They desolated the Temple, and they were, in their turn, desolated themselves.

So to happens that God’s people are told to build God’s Temple. When it is complete the Messiah will come to set up a New Covenant even though He and the Temple will somehow be cut off and desolated. Then at the end the desolator comes.

Please expand on the above paragraph. thank you.

written with love

 

[gmcbroom]

Why all this speculation? Daniel is Old Testament not New. Only the Father knows when the end will begin.
Peace be with you
gmcbroom

 

[BTTG]

""Verse 13 is quoted in the Gospels by Jesus (Mt. 24:30, 26:64; Mk. 13:26, 14:62; Lk. 21:27).

there are 2 different ways that I have seen it interpreted. One way is that this is referring to the 2nd coming of Christ while others have understood it to be referring to the Ascension.

But Jesus is referring to His 2nd coming in those Gospel passages when He cited Daniel 7:13. Interesting indeed!"" -COPLAND 3
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=257638

In Daniel, it is referring to the Ascension.

I don’t believe this could be the 2nd coming of Jesus. (Dan 7:13) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Here Jesus “came” to the Ancient of Days (God) and brought Jesus near before God. Jesus is going to God, not coming to the earth. I do not read that Jesus is descending in the clouds to the earth. (Rev 1:7) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Notice in Dan. the vision is “came to the Ancient of Days” and in Rev. Jesus cometh with clouds. In Dan the vision has already taken place.

 

[BTTG]

Most all Christians in the past 2,000 years have understood this to be decribing Jesus’ ascension to heaven when he came to the Father on a cloud.

Malachi also foretells His second advent, His coming for the execution of the judgment, in these words: “And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not Me, saith the Lord of hosts.” Malachi 3:5. Jude refers to the same scene when he says, “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds.” Jude 14, 15. This coming, and the coming of the Lord to His temple, are distinct and separate events.

 The coming of Christ as our high priest to the most holy place, for the cleansing of the sanctuary, brought to view in Daniel 8:14; the coming of the Son of man to the Ancient of Days, as presented in Daniel 7:13; and the coming of the Lord to His temple, foretold by Malachi, are descriptions of the same event; and this is also represented by the coming of the bridegroom to the marriage, described by Christ in the parable of the ten virgins, of Matthew 25.    
 In the summer and autumn of 1844 the proclamation, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh," was given. The two classes represented by the wise and foolish virgins were then developed--one class who looked with joy to the Lord's appearing, and who had been diligently preparing to meet Him; another class that, influenced by fear and acting from impulse, had been satisfied with a theory of the truth, but were destitute of the grace of God. In the parable, when the bridegroom came, "they that were ready went in with him to the marriage." The coming of the bridegroom, here brought to view, takes place before the marriage. The marriage represents the reception by Christ of His kingdom. The Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the capital and representative of the kingdom, is called "the bride, the Lamb's wife." Said the angel to John: "Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife." "He carried me away in the spirit," says the prophet, "and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God." Revelation                                                                           21:9, 10. Clearly, then, the bride represents the Holy City, and the virgins that go out to meet the bridegroom are a symbol of the church. In the Revelation the people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper. Revelation 19:9. If guests, they cannot be represented also as the bride. Christ, as stated by the prophet Daniel, will receive from the Ancient of Days in heaven, "dominion, and glory, and a kingdom;" He will receive the New Jerusalem, the capital of His kingdom, "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Daniel 7:14; Revelation 21:2. Having received the kingdom, He will come in His glory, as King of kings and Lord of lords, for the redemption of His people, who are to "sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob," at His table in His kingdom (Matthew 8:11; Luke 22:30), to partake of the marriage supper of the Lamb.  
 The proclamation, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh," in the summer of 1844, led thousands to expect the immediate advent of the Lord. At the appointed time the Bridegroom came, not to the earth, as the people expected, but to the Ancient of Days in heaven, to the marriage, the reception of His kingdom. "They that were ready went in with Him to the marriage: and the door was shut." They were not to be present in person at the marriage; for it takes place in heaven, while they are upon the earth. The followers of Christ are to "wait for their Lord, when He will return from the wedding." Luke 12:36. But they are to understand His work, and to follow Him by faith as He goes in before God. It is in this sense that they are said to go in to the marriage.   
 In the parable it was those that had oil in their vessels with their lamps that went in to the marriage. Those who, with a knowledge of the truth from the Scriptures, had also the Spirit and grace of God, and who, in the night of their bitter trial, had patiently waited, searching the Bible for clearer light--these saw the truth concerning the sanctuary in heaven and the Saviour's change in ministration, and by faith they followed Him in His work in the sanctuary above. And all who through the testimony of the Scriptures accept the

same truths, following Christ by faith as He enters in before God to perform the last work of mediation, and at its close to receive His kingdom–all these are represented as going in to the marriage. - EW

 

[BTTG]

Why all this speculation? Daniel is Old Testament not New. Only the Father knows when the end will begin.
Peace be with you
gmcbroom

I am sorry you feel that way…we learn so much from the OT.

written with love

 

[BTTG]

Quote by Barboza

Okay, so the person that founded your church focused on doing something that is prohibited by the bible, and from there came your church but its not founded on his mistake. I understand you say your church is built upon Jesus, but your church was founded on a human. correct?

Response - William Miller was not the founder of the Seventh Day Adventist movement. Mr. Miller was not even a Sabbath ( Saturday) keeper. The SDA did not come from Miller.

 

[adrift]

Quote by Barboza

Okay, so the person that founded your church focused on doing something that is prohibited by the bible, and from there came your church but its not founded on his mistake. I understand you say your church is built upon Jesus, but your church was founded on a human. correct?

Response - William Miller was not the founder of the Seventh Day Adventist movement. Mr. Miller was not even a Sabbath ( Saturday) keeper. The SDA did not come from Miller.

The SDA official site says this

Its birthplace in the township of Washington, New Hampshire, in 1844…
Because William Miller, a well-known Baptist preacher, exhibited profound knowledge of the Scriptures as he lectured upon the literal soon advent of Christ, scores of Christian Connection churches and many of its ministers and leaders became “Adventist” in the late 1830s and 1840s. The Washington, New Hampshire, Christian Connection church by the early 1840s was an “Adventist” church.

 

[BTTG]

Originally Posted by BTTG
Quote by Barboza

Okay, so the person that founded your church focused on doing something that is prohibited by the bible, and from there came your church but its not founded on his mistake. I understand you say your church is built upon Jesus, but your church was founded on a human. correct?

Response by BTTG- William Miller was not the founder of the Seventh Day Adventist movement. Mr. Miller was not even a Sabbath ( Saturday) keeper. The SDA did not come from Miller.

Adrift posted:

The SDA official site says this
Quote:
Its birthplace in the township of Washington, New Hampshire, in 1844…
Because William Miller, a well-known Baptist preacher, exhibited profound knowledge of the Scriptures as he lectured upon the literal soon advent of Christ, scores of Christian Connection churches and many of its ministers and leaders became “Adventist” in the late 1830s and 1840s. The Washington, New Hampshire, Christian Connection church by the early 1840s was an “Adventist” church.

**Response **- I don’t see how this quote states that Mr. Miller, was a SDA. He was an adventist, but not a “seventh day” adventist.
You want to read into this quote more then it states. You are “adding” to the quote the “seventh day”.

I hope this helps with your understanding.

written with love

 

[barboza21]

Quote by Barboza

Okay, so the person that founded your church focused on doing something that is prohibited by the bible, and from there came your church but its not founded on his mistake. I understand you say your church is built upon Jesus, but your church was founded on a human. correct?

Response - William Miller was not the founder of the Seventh Day Adventist movement. Mr. Miller was not even a Sabbath ( Saturday) keeper. The SDA did not come from Miller.

That was Richard’s response. i apologized. And he clarified it was EGW her husband and some other people that ‘officially’ founded the church. But was it not Miller’s followers that ended up following EGW and the others as well. That’s what I meant. They too believed Jesus was coming that October. They were following false doctrine, expecting Jesus to come on a set date.

 

[barboza21]

I don’t believe this could be the 2nd coming of Jesus. (Dan 7:13) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Here Jesus “came” to the Ancient of Days (God) and brought Jesus near before God. Jesus is going to God, not coming to the earth. I do not read that Jesus is descending in the clouds to the earth. (Rev 1:7) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Notice in Dan. the vision is “came to the Ancient of Days” and in Rev. Jesus cometh with clouds. In Dan the vision has already taken place.

Jesus was ascended into Heaven to the Father correct? That’s what happened in Acts 1
9 “And when he had said these things, while they looked on, he was raised up: and a cloud received him out of their sight.”

Ver. 9. He was raised up. Raised himself up, and ascended

Jesus was ascended into Heaven to God in Heaven. He ‘met up’ you could say with God the Father.

13"… one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and he came even to the ancient of days: and they presented him before him."

 

[ryanoneil]

Malachi also foretells His second advent, His coming for the execution of the judgment, in these words: “And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not Me, saith the Lord of hosts.” Malachi 3:5. Jude refers to the same scene when he says, “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of His saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds.” Jude 14, 15. This coming, and the coming of the Lord to His temple, are distinct and separate events.

 The coming of Christ as our high priest to the most holy place, for the cleansing of the sanctuary, brought to view in Daniel 8:14; the coming of the Son of man to the Ancient of Days, as presented in Daniel 7:13; and the coming of the Lord to His temple, foretold by Malachi, are descriptions of the same event; and this is also represented by the coming of the bridegroom to the marriage, described by Christ in the parable of the ten virgins, of Matthew 25.    
 In the summer and autumn of 1844 the proclamation, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh," was given. The two classes represented by the wise and foolish virgins were then developed--one class who looked with joy to the Lord's appearing, and who had been diligently preparing to meet Him; another class that, influenced by fear and acting from impulse, had been satisfied with a theory of the truth, but were destitute of the grace of God. In the parable, when the bridegroom came, "they that were ready went in with him to the marriage." The coming of the bridegroom, here brought to view, takes place before the marriage. The marriage represents the reception by Christ of His kingdom. The Holy City, the New Jerusalem, which is the capital and representative of the kingdom, is called "the bride, the Lamb's wife." Said the angel to John: "Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife." "He carried me away in the spirit," says the prophet, "and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God." Revelation                                                                           21:9, 10. Clearly, then, the bride represents the Holy City, and the virgins that go out to meet the bridegroom are a symbol of the church. In the Revelation the people of God are said to be the guests at the marriage supper. Revelation 19:9. If guests, they cannot be represented also as the bride. Christ, as stated by the prophet Daniel, will receive from the Ancient of Days in heaven, "dominion, and glory, and a kingdom;" He will receive the New Jerusalem, the capital of His kingdom, "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Daniel 7:14; Revelation 21:2. Having received the kingdom, He will come in His glory, as King of kings and Lord of lords, for the redemption of His people, who are to "sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob," at His table in His kingdom (Matthew 8:11; Luke 22:30), to partake of the marriage supper of the Lamb.  
 The proclamation, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh," in the summer of 1844, led thousands to expect the immediate advent of the Lord. At the appointed time the Bridegroom came, not to the earth, as the people expected, but to the Ancient of Days in heaven, to the marriage, the reception of His kingdom. "They that were ready went in with Him to the marriage: and the door was shut." They were not to be present in person at the marriage; for it takes place in heaven, while they are upon the earth. The followers of Christ are to "wait for their Lord, when He will return from the wedding." Luke 12:36. But they are to understand His work, and to follow Him by faith as He goes in before God. It is in this sense that they are said to go in to the marriage.   
 In the parable it was those that had oil in their vessels with their lamps that went in to the marriage. Those who, with a knowledge of the truth from the Scriptures, had also the Spirit and grace of God, and who, in the night of their bitter trial, had patiently waited, searching the Bible for clearer light--these saw the truth concerning the sanctuary in heaven and the Saviour's change in ministration, and by faith they followed Him in His work in the sanctuary above. And all who through the testimony of the Scriptures accept the

same truths, following Christ by faith as He enters in before God to perform the last work of mediation, and at its close to receive His kingdom–all these are represented as going in to the marriage. - EW

Judgment was initially fulfilled within Christ’s generation, as a result of recieving his kingdom when he ascended to heaven. I still don’t, and probably never will, understand the significance of 1844.