What does Excommunication mean in today's world?

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Catechism of the Catholic Church 1463 Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted, according to canon law, except by the Pope …

Witness what has been happening with the SSPX.
 
Jesus came to proclaim the Kingdom of God, not the Code of Canon Law.
The ONLY person who can excommunicate a Catholic is that person. That’s what I mean by “all in the mind”. Only God can judge an eternal soul…so if a person believes his/her act is just and good God knows and rewards that person. So really…what good does automatic excommunication do? It makes no sense or the church today.
 
Jesus came to proclaim the Kingdom of God, not the Code of Canon Law.
The ONLY person who can excommunicate a Catholic is that person. That’s what I mean by “all in the mind”. Only God can judge an eternal soul…so if a person believes his/her act is just and good God knows and rewards that person. So really…what good does automatic excommunication do? It makes no sense or the church today.
What do you mean the Church cannot excommunicate someone? Please explain.
 
What do you mean the Church cannot excommunicate someone? Please explain.
Oh the hierarchy can certainly speak the words but most just ignore them. It’s a silly proclamation for the church of 2012. No man can tell another that he or she is no longer part of the Body of Christ. No one human being has that authority. The current hierarchy has lost its’ authority as well as its’ respect in this world. If excommunication is the law then why doesn’t it apply to the bishops who covered up the rape of children? Why are they forgiven by the Church? Why are they not excommunicated? Hypocrites!
 
Oh the hierarchy can certainly speak the words but most just ignore them. It’s a silly proclamation for the church of 2012. No man can tell another that he or she is no longer part of the Body of Christ. No one human being has that authority. The current hierarchy has lost its’ authority as well as its’ respect in this world. If excommunication is the law then why doesn’t it apply to the bishops who covered up the rape of children? Why are they forgiven by the Church? Why are they not excommunicated? Hypocrites!
What authority do you have behind your opinions? You have no authority at all and there is no reason that anyone should pay any attention to you. The Church, on the other hand does have authority that was given to her by Christ. He gave the bishops their power to bind and loose. This authority is not lost because the media manipulates people with lies and distortions. Authority comes from God, not public opinion.

The Code of Canon Law lists the actions which incur laetae sententiae (automatic) excommunication. Covering up crimes of priests is not one of them. There are other canonical penalties and I have no reason to think they are not being applied when appropriate.
 
Oh the hierarchy can certainly speak the words but most just ignore them. It’s a silly proclamation for the church of 2012. No man can tell another that he or she is no longer part of the Body of Christ. No one human being has that authority. The current hierarchy has lost its’ authority as well as its’ respect in this world. If excommunication is the law then why doesn’t it apply to the bishops who covered up the rape of children? Why are they forgiven by the Church? Why are they not excommunicated? Hypocrites!
Did you know that Jesus gave the Pope the right to Bind and Loose (which means to excommunicate and communicate) Matthew 18:18. There is also a parallel to this in Isaiah.

“And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open.” (Is. 22:22)

So, if the Pope excommunicates someone, they are no longer Catholic. They can only come back through the sacrament of Confession and a few other steps that i clearly cannot remember.

God Bless 🙂
 
Jesus gave no pope such a right and clearly you cannot remember. And it’s not called the Sacrament of Confession. Get your facts straight.
 
What authority do you have behind your opinions? You have no authority at all and there is no reason that anyone should pay any attention to you. The Church, on the other hand does have authority that was given to her by Christ. He gave the bishops their power to bind and loose. This authority is not lost because the media manipulates people with lies and distortions. Authority comes from God, not public opinion.

The Code of Canon Law lists the actions which incur laetae sententiae (automatic) excommunication. Covering up crimes of priests is not one of them. There are other canonical penalties and I have no reason to think they are not being applied when appropriate.
What authority do you have behind your opinions? You are naive if you believe it’s the media that is manipulating the abuse scandal. An ostrich comes to mind.
 
Oh the hierarchy can certainly speak the words but most just ignore them. It’s a silly proclamation for the church of 2012. No man can tell another that he or she is no longer part of the Body of Christ. No one human being has that authority. The current hierarchy has lost its’ authority as well as its’ respect in this world. If excommunication is the law then why doesn’t it apply to the bishops who covered up the rape of children? Why are they forgiven by the Church? Why are they not excommunicated? Hypocrites!
I’ve seen you refer to the “hierarchy” before in other threads. Now, you’re calling excommunication silly and bishops hypocrites.

You say the world has lost respect for the hierarchy. Have you lost respect for the Church - for Catholicism?
 
What authority do you have behind your opinions? You are naive if you believe it’s the media that is manipulating the abuse scandal. An ostrich comes to mind.
She did not express opinions she mentioned facts while you are just trying to insult people through name calling instead of using factual argumentation.
 
Jesus gave no pope such a right and clearly you cannot remember. And it’s not called the Sacrament of Confession. Get your facts straight.
Although recently it is more common to refer to this Sacrament as Reconciliation, it is still acceptable to call it the Sacrament of Confession. That was its more usual name for a long time.

Here is an article from Catholic Answers that may help you to be more informed:
What does the phrase “binding and loosing,” as mentioned in Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18, refer to?
Answer
“Binding and loosing” is a phrase which comes from the rabbis. It refers to the authority to make decisions binding on the people of God.
This authority includes interpreting and applying the Word of God and admitting people to and excommunicating them from the community of faith. For the Jews this meant the community of Israel. For Christians this means the Church.
In Matthew 16:19 Jesus gives this authority over his Church to Peter: “Whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
In Matthew 18:18, he gives the power to all the apostles: “Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
This singling out of Peter to bestow on him an authority which is later to be given to all the apostles shows Peter’s preeminence within the apostolic college. What the apostles as a whole possessed as leaders of the Church, Peter possessed as an individual.
Of course, he, as the earthly head of the Church, also possessed powers which all the other apostles, even collectively, didn’t possess: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Mt 16:19).
catholic.com/quickquestions/what-does-the-phrase-binding-and-loosing-as-mentioned-in-matthew-1619-and-matthew-181
 
What authority do you have behind your opinions?
My comments are based on the authority of the Catholic Church. I am telling you what the Church teaches. It is true and objective. You are writing things that are against Church teaching. Therefore you are wrong.
 
More school teachers have committed sexual abuse of children than priests have. It is a horrible thing but happens far less than one is led to believe by the media. It is done to undermine the authority of the Church.
 
Oh the hierarchy can certainly speak the words but most just ignore them. It’s a silly proclamation for the church of 2012. No man can tell another that he or she is no longer part of the Body of Christ. No one human being has that authority. The current hierarchy has lost its’ authority as well as its’ respect in this world. If excommunication is the law then why doesn’t it apply to the bishops who covered up the rape of children? Why are they forgiven by the Church? Why are they not excommunicated? Hypocrites!
People can and do ignore what the hierarchy say and do, this doesn’t make the people right nor does it mean the clergy is not authoritative. And yes one man can tell another he or she is no longer a Catholic in good standing, or that they have been excommunicated. And yes it does mean this person would be on the outside looking in, and yes this would mean unless the person chooses to stop blaspheming the Holy Spirit, their sin will not be forgiven, as Jesus Himself told us this is the only unforgivable sin.
Do you understand what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is? It is precisely what you describe, ignoring the authority God given to the very men you seem to dislike, the hierarchy. The Code of Canon Law is the teaching of Christ, from Scripture and from Tradition and revelation through the Holy Father’s infallibility in faith and morals. To ignore these teachings and to “go it alone” is B of the HS, and does separate one from His Grace which flows through His Church.

No, I may not feel I am excommunicated if I choose to go against some precept, but that doesn’t mean anything more than I don’t understand truth. What the world thinks has no meaning what so ever as to what the Church does or what Her actions mean. Excommunication means exactly now what it has always meant, that the one who has been excommunicated, either by Church action or by personal action, is most definitely outside of the Church until reparation is made, and the Sacrament of Confession is received properly depending on the sin.

You may not agree with these things I write, but that doesn’t mean anything but prove that some are suffering from relativism, “I can believe anything I want. It doesn’t matter what the Church says.” As far as the sex abuse scandals, the Church is working towards making amends and has repeatedly made apologies and making corrections to assure it doesn’t happen again, are you doing the same to correct your deeply rooted problems? If not, stop throwing stones at the Church you claim to be a part of. You hurt the Church, and Jesus every time you continue bashing the Church He built.
 
has repeatedly made apologies and making corrections to assure it doesn’t happen again, are you doing the same to correct your deeply rooted problems? If not, stop throwing stones at the Church you claim to be a part of. You hurt the Church, and Jesus every time you continue bashing the Church He built.
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Ok. This discussion only made me more confused. I showed it to my friend to see if she can figure it out. And she doesn’t get it either. Anna asked to use my account to reply, so I’m letting her use my account. Her words will be in pink and quoted with Anna at the end.

"Thank you all for your insight on this issue. Yet, I find it difficult to determine if I am excommunicated or not based on the posts to this form. As for my ordination, this is something very personal for me. First off you should know the role of priestess within the inter-faith group I am a part of has a different meaning than the role of Priest within the Catholic Church. Within my group this title means that I have worked hard and gained the respect of my peers. It also means that I have devoted my life to the Divine. I do not plain to lead or start a church. And I do not instruct or lead anyone. The role of priestess only means that I connect with the Divine at a very personal and powerful level (which I am sure most of you here on this form do as well). This is a personal thing, rather than a public thing. I am concerned about the matter of excommunication, due to the fact that I do still have a deep love for Catholicism and pray the rosary often. I have noticed that some have asked if I attend church services. Currently I attend Mass only on days of obligation, as seeing the Mass, but not being a part hurts too much to bare. Due to a health condition, I can not have even trace amounts of wheat, gluten or yeast with out having a severe allergic reaction. After the last time of trying and going to the ER, I realized that it is impossible. I have not received Communion since 08 for this reason. I fought this has hard as I could, and suffered allergic reaction and allergic reaction in an attempt to find a safe way to receive the Body and Blood of Christ. Nothing worked… Despite my love of Catholicism, it seems that this will never be possible for me. Unlike my friend Angel, I am not able to deal with this allergy and attend Mass. " ~ Anna
 
Excommunication in modern day is not your great great grandfather’s excommunication.
Continuous study and exploration of the subject by canon lawyers and theologians has brought about a different understanding. Some say that a pronouncement of excommunication does not put one outside the church; he or she remains a Catholic. Nor does excommunication pronounce any judgment from God or assume the persons does not have goodwill. The Church teaches that above all, our consciences should be obeyed before any ecclesiastic law. In other words…excommunication is all in the mind.
Your friend must do what she truly believes is best.
sounds like the spirit of vatican 11 care to cite some evidence
 
Note the Anna above is not me…the same name is coincidence.

Anna, I am confused about your roll as “priestess” and the inter-faith group. I’m certainly not against interfaith groups…I’ve been part of discussion and dialogues with other faiths. But what you describe, and I may be wrong, sounds like it might be a cult of some kind…or perhaps a form of mysticism…?
If you are looking for something to bring you closer to the Divine…if you are looking for mysticism…you cannot,( in my opinion and despite my criticism of the hierarchy) find anything better than Catholicism. I don’t even know where to begin…there is so much wealth and knowledge you may be missing. You say you are missing the Eucharist. I would too…but don’t stay away from Sunday mass. Christ still comes to you in other presences…he is present as we gather,in his Word and in the priest and everyone else.
If it is mysticism you want have you read the life stories of famous catholic mystics? Do a search… there were many and still are.
Wishing you the best…hope you find what it is you need. And if you are concerned about being alienated from the RC Church, maybe it’s a sign. Keep praying.
 
Formally becoming a member of another religion, such as becoming a priestess, is an act of apostacy. Apostacy incurs an automatic penalty of excommunication. It does not matter how meaningful the apostate finds the non-Catholic religion.

Anna has to choose between being Catholic and this other religion. Mixing them together is not allowed. She should talk to a priest about this. It is serious.
 
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