What does God make of feminism?

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SpiritMeadow said:
I don’t think that is at all the way that modern feminists feel. We are for a women’s right to choose what is best for her. Plenty have decided that raising a family at least for some portion of their lives is more important than careers. Surely there are women who are as you speak, but that is simply because women like men are a whole range of individuals with different needs and desires. There are men who take really well to being homemakers and caretakers for children. That is certainly a wonderful thing I think.

I’m sorry you work in an environment that suggests to you that there is no desire or importance placed on children. I never found that in all my years when I practiced law. I am now a typical housewife, and love it. I don’t feel less, and have never been made to feel less because of it.
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“We’ve heard enough about the rights of man (and woman), now let us hear about the rights of God”----

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
When you use the term “fairer” sex you automatically set women as “different” and less. Why should women be denied any opportunity pursued by men btw? Just wondering.

There are plenty of feminists I would assume who are not in favor of abortion, in fact I would hazard a guess that most are not in favor of it. Being in favor of the right to choice is not the same. And as to ABC, well, you are going to have a hard row to hoe convincing even men that this is a bad thing if you arent’ Catholic. 85% of catholics use it, and 98% of the pop. at large believes it is a good thing.
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It is noteworthy that the real feminists of the early 20th century referred to contraception as form of slavery.
 
“My desire to bring change for the world took me in to journalism, and my conviction that the greatest impact I could have on the world would be raising a holy family for the Lord…”"

**I am not being facetious here.

But having kids: “the greatest impact you could have on the world”???**
 
Decided this time to answer the question without first reading the posts as I want to answer the question not what others have said.

To me feminism means women having choices and requires them to make choices responsibly. It means not bashing women who make different choices and it means women being open to consider all options. It means women having options other than those that result from biology eg have children. It means equal relationships with men, it means men having choices, too.

As I believe that God wants EVERYONE to reach their full potential, I think God favours feminism. However, there will be excesses that God does not approve of and also a regret when women reject feminism ie do not consider their options or unilaterally condemn other women’s options.

I salute my sisters (and the men who supported them) of the first wave of feminism who brought women the vote around the turn of the twentieth century and I count myself blessed that the second wave of feminism (beginning about 1960) came about when I was a teenager. Otherwise I think I would ended up as a spinster who others either considered was too fussy to marry, too selfish to marry or too concerned about her figure to have children - none true. (I was asked I was asked the first time I enrolled to vote whether I wanted spinster put as my occupation, I laughed and said I’d only put that if it was my occupation and it would be inaccurate as while I can knit spinning is beyond me.)

The fact that people now have other ideas about why the never married have not married is a product of feminism, I treasure.

Now, I’ll read the responses - I may make some comments on them or I may not. Thats one of the freedoms feminism gives us.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
When you use the term “fairer” sex you automatically set women as “different” and less. Why should women be denied any opportunity pursued by men btw? Just wondering.

Women are different. It’s OK to say so because it is a fact. I really never intended for the use of the term “fairer” to be condescending in any way.

There are plenty of feminists I would assume who are not in favor of abortion, in fact I would hazard a guess that most are not in favor of it. Being in favor of the right to choice is not the same. And as to ABC, well, you are going to have a hard row to hoe convincing even men that this is a bad thing if you arent’ Catholic. 85% of catholics use it, and 98% of the pop. at large believes it is a good thing.
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I am sure there are some feminists who reject abortion, but they are a minority. The feminist agenda is built largely on securing abortion rights. While increasing opportunities for women is a wonderful aim, destroying children cannot ever be considered an appropriate means to that end.

It saddens me that so many people (Catholics included) practice ABC. Perhaps, they were never properly catechised or maybe they are just plain selfish and prideful. Again, it undermines the very nature of who we are as people of God.
 
thomfra said:
“My desire to bring change for the world took me in to journalism, and my conviction that the greatest impact I could have on the world would be raising a holy family for the Lord…”"

**I am not being facetious here.

But having kids: “the greatest impact you could have on the world”???**
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I don’t find your surprise facetious.
Yes. I do believe so. Why/how?!
Look at the difficulties that are rotting away the current youth generation. There are stats that say that within the decade, Catholics will be in the minority in Canada. Who will be the next generation that shows the Truth of the Holy Roman Catholic Church to those who have never been blessed with an experience in it?
My generation’s children, when raised up in good holy families. What could be more important than raising the next generation of witness?
 
Eric_Olsen said:
HE did not make feminism.
Feminism is a man made idea.
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Yes Eric,
But is it a good thing or a bad thing? That is the question.

PS: I don’t think gender really applies to omnipotent beings. “God created man”. Not “This man, called God, created man”.
 
ghaybyers1 said:
I don’t find your surprise facetious.
Yes. I do believe so. Why/how?!
Look at the difficulties that are rotting away the current youth generation. There are stats that say that within the decade, Catholics will be in the minority in Canada. Who will be the next generation that shows the Truth of the Holy Roman Catholic Church to those who have never been blessed with an experience in it?
My generation’s children, when raised up in good holy families. What could be more important than raising the next generation of witness?
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So todays genration is a lost cause eh? he he. Nah, I don’t buy it. Even with a Catholic upbringing, you have no promise they are gonna follow that path. You could probably adopt a few kids and make them Catholics just as easy.
 
thomfra said:
So todays genration is a lost cause eh? he he. Nah, I don’t buy it. Even with a Catholic upbringing, you have no promise they are gonna follow that path. You could probably adopt a few kids and make them Catholics just as easy.
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Not a lost cause, anything is possible thanks to the Grace of God- my continuing conversion is proof of that! Furthermore, I didn’t mention anything about any generation being a lost cause- I simply suggested that one look at the conditions rotting away the moral fibres of the current youth when asking why it’s so important to raise holy families.

Of course you have no guarantees. My parents brought me up to be a non-religious ladder-climber, and am I that? Not even close. All we can do as good Catholics is create an atmosphere that embraces and protects our children while arming them with the practical tools they’re going to need in their lives. We can teach them the best path until we’re blue in the face, but if we force them to it, we damage them. Faith in God, faith in our upbringing of children, and faith in the strength of our community is what will garner us the most success- not believing that a Catholic upbringing will automaticly bless you with a good Catholic child.

And as for adopting children and “making” them Catholic. There’s something inherently… wrong about that idea. You can’t “make” someone Catholic as far as I know. It has to be something inside of you… it’s not as simple as “Here are the rules, kid, you’re Catholic now!”, you know?

And as for your comment about Canada being “hell on earth” because we “sure have it bad up here”. I must say, I do appreciate the charity your uninformed sarcasm brings to the conversation.
 
God created man in HIS image.
Please dont start on the God is female or God is non gender because that to me is another feminist argument.
Also - that is why we call God our FATHER.
thomfra said:
Yes Eric,
But is it a good thing or a bad thing? That is the question.

PS: I don’t think gender really applies to omnipotent beings. “God created man”. Not “This man, called God, created man”.
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Since there is no agreement on what feminism is it an impossible question to answer. Somev view feminism as meaning to guarantee women have equal rights. Others see feminism as inexorably intertwined with abortion, lesbianism, and equivalent pay.

I doubt that God had a opinion on feminism as I believe he judges us as individuals and not on what labels our culture deems to hang on us.
 
Eric_Olsen said:
God created man in HIS image.
Please dont start on the God is female or God is non gender because that to me is another feminist argument.
Also - that is why we call God our FATHER.
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Ok Eric. I promise not to start on that.
 
ghaybyers1 said:
And as for your comment about Canada being “hell on earth” because we “sure have it bad up here”. I must say, I do appreciate the charity your uninformed sarcasm brings to the conversation.
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Well it might have been sarcasm but it wasn’t uninformed. Canada is ranked by the UN development index (or something like that) as one of the world’s best places to live (along with the Norway and Australia). I just thought it was a bit rich that people were saying that the Devil is having a field day there…
 
thomfra said:
Ok Eric. I promise not to start on that.
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yeah? why is that? do you deny that we call God OUR FATHER?
Or do you take the feminist gender inclusive view that God is either female or no gender at all? It really grinds my gears when I hear christians refer to God as that. Jesus always refered to God as FATHER.
 
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