What does God make of feminism?

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Eric_Olsen said:
yeah? why is that? do you deny that we call God OUR FATHER?
Or do you take the feminist gender inclusive view that God is either female or no gender at all? It really grinds my gears when I hear christians refer to God as that. Jesus always refered to God as FATHER.
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You made me promise not to start on that. So I am not going to. Not if you don’t want me to Eric.
 
In the 1960s, feminist Betty Friedan published The Feminine Mystique. She referred to the family as a “comfortable concentration camp.” Mrs. Friedan was also a Communist.

In the 1970s, Gloria Steinem of the National Organization for Women was at the forefront of telling her feminist “sisters” to “throw off the chains of their oppression” - namely men, any men in their lives. Some women were convinced that they were victims - eternal victims. Miss Steinem created a magazine titled Ms. which was a sort of Playboy for women. It was also a vehicle to disseminate anti-family propaganda.

This radical and divisive feminism created fertile ground for No-Fault Divorce in the 1980s. No kids? $75 and you’re out. Call 1-800-DIVORCE.

So first, a wedge was driven between men and women, creating fear, suspicion and general mistrust. Then a quick and “easy” solution was added – No-Fault Divorce. And the media put on a lot of programming where guys congratulated guys for getting rid of the nagging wife. Young people were severely damaged in the process. What was held as a life-long commitment was seen as too fragile by some, leading to just shacking up without marriage. Which is bad for all concerned, especially the children.

Recently, in a bizarre twist, women are being encouraged to act just like the predatory male chauvenist pigs that NOW told them to avoid. So TV shows like Sex and the City show females acting like predatory males. Very sad and very immoral.

A few words from the Church:

guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/31/gender.catholicism

God bless,
Ed
 
Eric_Olsen said:
obviously you have an opinion. so lets hear it.
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:rotfl:
First you ask that she not bring this up, then you tell her to?

It’s not the subject of this thread. It’s better to leave it out of this particular discussion.
 
Well I want to hear it now.
Caesar517 said:
:rotfl:
First you ask that she not bring this up, then you tell her to?

It’s not the subject of this thread. It’s better to leave it out of this particular discussion.
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thomfra said:
Well it might have been sarcasm but it wasn’t uninformed. Canada is ranked by the UN development index (or something like that) as one of the world’s best places to live (along with the Norway and Australia). I just thought it was a bit rich that people were saying that the Devil is having a field day there…
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the UN doesn’t rank countries on basis of moral corruption. we have clean water, health care, and for the most part, our government tries to not screw us over.
That doesn’t have anything to do with the moral or religious soundness of our population.
 
ghaybyers1 said:
the UN doesn’t rank countries on basis of moral corruption. we have clean water, health care, and for the most part, our government tries to not screw us over.
That doesn’t have anything to do with the moral or religious soundness of our population.
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So which countries have a “religiously sound” population then.
 
PrayforMallory said:
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

What’s so hard to understand about that?
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There is tons of scripture that refer to God in female attribute. God is considered by even the orthodox as ungendered, neither male nor female. Jesus gave us a way of looking at God as dear as our own fathers. The analogy of as dear to us as our own Mothers would have been as apt, but in his society, Father carried more weight. We have I hope moved a bit foreward as he also showed us by his constant involvement with women, usually women who were rejected by the society of his day.
 
PrayforMallory said:
“We’ve heard enough about the rights of man (and woman), now let us hear about the rights of God”----

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
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I’m sorry, your point escapes me. I didn’t know God had rights. I thought he was omnipotent. He gives rights.
 
Salonika said:
Decided this time to answer the question without first reading the posts as I want to answer the question not what others have said.

To me feminism means women having choices and requires them to make choices responsibly. It means not bashing women who make different choices and it means women being open to consider all options. It means women having options other than those that result from biology eg have children. It means equal relationships with men, it means men having choices, too.

As I believe that God wants EVERYONE to reach their full potential, I think God favours feminism. However, there will be excesses that God does not approve of and also a regret when women reject feminism ie do not consider their options or unilaterally condemn other women’s options.

I salute my sisters (and the men who supported them) of the first wave of feminism who brought women the vote around the turn of the twentieth century and I count myself blessed that the second wave of feminism (beginning about 1960) came about when I was a teenager. Otherwise I think I would ended up as a spinster who others either considered was too fussy to marry, too selfish to marry or too concerned about her figure to have children - none true. (I was asked I was asked the first time I enrolled to vote whether I wanted spinster put as my occupation, I laughed and said I’d only put that if it was my occupation and it would be inaccurate as while I can knit spinning is beyond me.)

The fact that people now have other ideas about why the never married have not married is a product of feminism, I treasure.

Now, I’ll read the responses - I may make some comments on them or I may not. Thats one of the freedoms feminism gives us.
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Well said indeed!👍
 
cargau said:
I am sure there are some feminists who reject abortion, but they are a minority. The feminist agenda is built largely on securing abortion rights. While increasing opportunities for women is a wonderful aim, destroying children cannot ever be considered an appropriate means to that end.

It saddens me that so many people (Catholics included) practice ABC. Perhaps, they were never properly catechised or maybe they are just plain selfish and prideful. Again, it undermines the very nature of who we are as people of God.
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You misunderstand I think. Feminism supports generally the right of each woman to choose how to use her body. Not all agree with Catholic teaching on this issue as you can surmise. Most Catholics favor the right of women to choose, though they themselves might never choose abortion and many might as well work hard for all alternatives other than abortion. ABC does in fact contribute to the decrease in abortions and that is one of the reasons it is supported. It has been my contention that NFP is a direct result of the overwhelming refusal of Catholic men and women to use no method of avoiding pregnancy other than avoidance.

And you are quite right, the main argument here is that unlike themselves, those who disagree are not properly catechised.
 
estesbob said:
Since there is no agreement on what feminism is it an impossible question to answer. Somev view feminism as meaning to guarantee women have equal rights. Others see feminism as inexorably intertwined with abortion, lesbianism, and equivalent pay.

I doubt that God had a opinion on feminism as I believe he judges us as individuals and not on what labels our culture deems to hang on us.
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Don’t fall off your chair there bob, but I actually agree with you.
 
edwest2 said:
In the 1960s, feminist Betty Friedan published The Feminine Mystique. She referred to the family as a “comfortable concentration camp.” Mrs. Friedan was also a Communist.

In the 1970s, Gloria Steinem of the National Organization for Women was at the forefront of telling her feminist “sisters” to “throw off the chains of their oppression” - namely men, any men in their lives. Some women were convinced that they were victims - eternal victims. Miss Steinem created a magazine titled Ms. which was a sort of Playboy for women. It was also a vehicle to disseminate anti-family propaganda.

This radical and divisive feminism created fertile ground for No-Fault Divorce in the 1980s. No kids? $75 and you’re out. Call 1-800-DIVORCE.

So first, a wedge was driven between men and women, creating fear, suspicion and general mistrust. Then a quick and “easy” solution was added – No-Fault Divorce. And the media put on a lot of programming where guys congratulated guys for getting rid of the nagging wife. Young people were severely damaged in the process. What was held as a life-long commitment was seen as too fragile by some, leading to just shacking up without marriage. Which is bad for all concerned, especially the children.

Recently, in a bizarre twist, women are being encouraged to act just like the predatory male chauvenist pigs that NOW told them to avoid. So TV shows like Sex and the City show females acting like predatory males. Very sad and very immoral.

A few words from the Church:

guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/31/gender.catholicism

Ed
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Ed I am shocked. You have actually watched Sex and the City? I wouldn’t have believed it! Just for research purposes heh?
 
thomfra said:
So which countries have a “religiously sound” population then.
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… none…?
We’re all sinners by nature, remember? Canada’s percentage of practicing catholics has been dropping. you know what they say about the devil and a toe hold…
 
thomfra said:
Well it might have been sarcasm but it wasn’t uninformed. Canada is ranked by the UN development index (or something like that) as one of the world’s best places to live (along with the Norway and Australia). I just thought it was a bit rich that people were saying that the Devil is having a field day there…
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Why? Is economic prosperity an indicator of spiritual health? If so, **** Cheney is a shoe in for heaven.

Maybe you ought to go back and read the Lord’s statements about the whole eye of the needle idea.

It doesn’t matter how prosperous Canada is, or the United States for that matter. What matters is the salvation of those involved.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
It is of course your right to see it that way if you choose. I prefer to assign evil to people not the devil. Evil is simply self centered behavior.
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Deny the devil all you want. Deny the Church. Unfortunately, you may have to find out the hard way one day.
 
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