What does God make of feminism?

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Don’t you think these capitalistic 50s were a result of the “winning” of World War II. So many men came back to what they believed were unending opportunities for wealth, comfort and stability. After the depression this must have seemed to be a paradise.

And I agree, what comes before lays the groundwork for what comes next.
What about the women whose work opportunities increased hugely during the war only to lose them immediately the boys came home?

What about the considerable technological developments of the war (including increased automation) era which then spun off into the civilian sphere?

And so on.

The thing is that there were sets of very different forces at play.
 
I think so much of what we are dealing with in our youth today is a result of the confusion of women in the 60s and 70s when the big Feminist push appeared. As a result many of our young people are raised without values, priorities and morals. Many are basically good, but very, very confused and living in an unstable society.
I might suggest that women were becoming less and less confused by the day.
 
I think so much of what we are dealing with in our youth today is a result of the confusion of women in the 60s and 70s when the big Feminist push appeared. As a result many of our young people are raised without values, priorities and morals. Many are basically good, but very, very confused and living in an unstable society.
That is precisely what happened. Devout Christian parents tried to pass on their beliefs and traditions to their children. Stability was very important, cooperation was very important, trust was very important. The goals of the Hippies, Radicals and Feminists was to divide the family: husbands against wives, wives against husbands, children against parents. Destroying the family and turning male-female relationships into casual sex with whoever. This does not create stability, but instabilty.

God bless,
Ed
 
That is precisely what happened. Devout Christian parents tried to pass on their beliefs and traditions to their children. Stability was very important, cooperation was very important, trust was very important. The goals of the Hippies, Radicals and Feminists was to divide the family: husbands against wives, wives against husbands, children against parents. Destroying the family and turning male-female relationships into casual sex with whoever. This does not create stability, but instabilty.

God bless,
Ed
You know what? I think all those hippies, radicals and radical feminists didn’t have a thought in their heads. Their only goal was having “freedom” to do as they wished. They didn’t even take time to think of the consequences. It was the beginning of a me now society and remains so today. Now what we have is relativism, little faith in God and no recognition of a moral code. Sickens one, doesn’t it?
 
You know what? I think all those hippies, radicals and radical feminists didn’t have a thought in their heads. Their only goal was having “freedom” to do as they wished. They didn’t even take time to think of the consequences. It was the beginning of a me now society and remains so today. Now what we have is relativism, little faith in God and no recognition of a moral code. Sickens one, doesn’t it?
With a little more imagination, you could have fitted in far more clichés.
 
With a little more imagination, you could have fitted in far more clichés.
Excuse me? This is what I have SEEN HAPPEN in our society. I have lived through it, so "SISTER ", respect your ELDER, which I am.

Did I say I was completely against feminism? No Mam, I did not. But I was and am, against Radical feminism that HAS, in part, caused the upheaval of the more stable society we had in the past by some of its believers thinking they had to be completely free of family responsibilities. The family unit was almost destroyed. Notice any kids running around today with no stable reinforcement of what is right and wrong? Notice any lack of manners or lack of respect for others? Where do you think children before the movement learned these civilized ideals? It certainly wasn’t on the Utube. Do I believe a woman has the right to completely actualize her potential both in the home and/or in another career. You betcha. Do I believe women are still underpaid for doing the same job as a male counterpart? You betcha. Do I believe women should have the full rights in anything her male counterpart has, as regards a career, without being seen by society as a renegade? You betcha. Do I believe a woman has the right to abort her child which, incidentally IS NOT her body? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! That to me is one of the most evil aspects of RADICAL feminism.

So cliches, or not, what I said in my previous post is the core of many of the problems we, as a society, face today. Take it, or leave it.
 
Excuse me? This is what I have SEEN HAPPEN in our society. I have lived through it, so "SISTER ", respect your ELDER, which I am.

Did I say I was completely against feminism? No Mam, I did not. But I was and am against Radical feminism that HAS, in part, caused the upheaval of the more stable society we had in the past by some of its believers thinking they had to be completely free of family responsibilities. The family unit was almost destroyed. Notice any kids running around today with no stable reinforcement of what is right and wrong? Notice any lack of manners or lack of respect for others? Where do you think children before the movement learned these civilized ideals? It certainly wasn’t on the Utube. Do I believe a woman has the right to completely actualize her potential both in the home and/or in another career. You betcha. Do I believe women are still underpaid for doing the same job as a male counterpart? You betcha. Do I believe women should have the full rights in anything her male counterpart has, as regards a caree, without being seen by society as a renegade? You betcha. Do I believe a woman has the right to abort her child which, incidentally IS NOT her body? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! That to me is one of the most evil aspects of RADICAL feminism.

So cliches, or not, what I said in my previous post is the core of many of the problems we, as a society, face today. Take it, or leave it.
I said that a little more imagination would bring it off.
 
The feminist movement, which legally gave the female the right of choice, not the right choice, I maintain, but a choice. The result of women gaining more monetary independence resulted in the realization they no longer had to depend on a man for a livlihood. A mixed blessing resulting in the dissolution of the family.
So…let me get this straight. You’re saying it was better when women depended upon men for their livelihood? When miserable, dissatisfied, stifled wives stayed with their unsatisfactory, sometimes abusive, presumptious and oh-so-entitled husbands because it was that or be a starving social outcast?

What many posters on this thread seem to be longing for is the appearance of social stability. Never mind that under the surface there are torrents of sadness, anger and longing for happiness that can’t be attained because of social constraints. As long as people look the part, shut up and toe the party line, then surely everything must be okay.

It’s that very mentality that allows domestic violence to flourish. Sure, everybody knows that it happens, some people might even recognise the signs, but as long as no-one complains, and it stays within the family circle, we can ignore it, right?

Instead of the coercive social structures that used to force women to settle into family life even if they were disinclined to do so, and even if there were no men with whom they felt true companionship and love, we now have a society where people are a bit more free to choose marriage for more noble motives than mere financial security. I hope this upward trend continues.
 
So…let me get this straight. You’re saying it was better when women depended upon men for their livelihood? When miserable, dissatisfied, stifled wives stayed with their unsatisfactory, sometimes abusive, presumptious and oh-so-entitled husbands because it was that or be a starving social outcast?

What many posters on this thread seem to be longing for is the appearance of social stability. Never mind that under the surface there are torrents of sadness, anger and longing for happiness that can’t be attained because of social constraints. As long as people look the part, shut up and toe the party line, then surely everything must be okay.

It’s that very mentality that allows domestic violence to flourish. Sure, everybody knows that it happens, some people might even recognise the signs, but as long as no-one complains, and it stays within the family circle, we can ignore it, right?

Instead of the coercive social structures that used to force women to settle into family life even if they were disinclined to do so, and even if there were no men with whom they felt true companionship and love, we now have a society where people are a bit more free to choose marriage for more noble motives than mere financial security. I hope this upward trend continues.
Sounds like the men got a good deal out of it 🙂 Must have been great coming home to a home cooked dinner every night, feet up resting on the couch reading the paper. Ah, it must have been bliss!!!

Now that they are out working we are forced to contribute something other than the weekly bacon… WHAT NEXT???
 
Apparently I didn’t GET the humour, if it was intended as that. If so, I apologize for my tirade.:o
I think you are more of a feminist than you give yourself credit for. It’s just weird that the word is so constantly used in the perjorative sense. Women should be proudly feminist!

Every movement has extremes. They are sometimes necessary to drag the bulk of people at least somewhere along the way to change.

PS: You can be very anti-abortion, but a feminist at the same time…you clearly are!
 
Feminists for Life appears to be an excellent group.

If the aims that they espouse would be the textbook definition for ‘feminist’, I think most of us would find ** that** feminism admirable.

Again, it is the extremist element (especially the proponents of abortion as a ‘woman’s right’, and those who are not only anti male to the point that they ‘blame’ men for all societal ills, they also would reject the family too --because ‘men’ are port of families in a healthy society that has historically supported the family as the basic ‘unit of measure’ for a stable society) that is bringing down the movement, IMO.
 
So…let me get this straight. You’re saying it was better when women depended upon men for their livelihood? When miserable, dissatisfied, stifled wives stayed with their unsatisfactory, sometimes abusive, presumptious and oh-so-entitled husbands because it was that or be a starving social outcast?

What many posters on this thread seem to be longing for is the appearance of social stability. Never mind that under the surface there are torrents of sadness, anger and longing for happiness that can’t be attained because of social constraints. As long as people look the part, shut up and toe the party line, then surely everything must be okay.

It’s that very mentality that allows domestic violence to flourish. Sure, everybody knows that it happens, some people might even recognise the signs, but as long as no-one complains, and it stays within the family circle, we can ignore it, right?

Instead of the coercive social structures that used to force women to settle into family life even if they were disinclined to do so, and even if there were no men with whom they felt true companionship and love, we now have a society where people are a bit more free to choose marriage for more noble motives than mere financial security. I hope this upward trend continues.
You are repeating the same line used by the radical feminists. Sisters! Throw off the chains of your oppression! Now or in the future, ALL of you will be victims of men. You cannot reason with the enemy! You cannot negotiate with him. We are in the eternal struggle forever!!

“Coercive social structures” are the invention of the Communist-Feminist Revolutionaries. One way to sell a product, like radical feminism, is to convince your audience that they all lack something and that by buying your product, some basic need of their’s will be met. So, if you buy this car, hair gel or similar, chicks or men, as the case may be, will want you. It would be amazing if it were true but it wasn’t.

The radical feminists were selling fear, suspicion, doubt and, in some cases, outright hatred. The enemy, men, was clearly identified and dehumanized. Soon, the potentially nice guy down the street became one of them - the enemy. Instead of meeting each other halfway, the woman would always feel that he was just one step away from harming her, psychologically and physically.

Were women more likely to be victims of abuse? Yes. Were all women in this category? No. And, surprisingly, there were social service agencies available to help women before radical feminism. It would have been nice if the radical feminists were directed toward solving problems and identifying ways toward cooperation. Equal pay and equal access to jobs were their only two good ideas. The rest were anti-Christian and anti-woman. Convincing women to kill their own babies in the womb became a right to them.

This upheaval in the 1970s had an impact on divorce in the 1980s. Both men and women felt justified, especially with the no-fault aspect, to not work things out. And soon, this became the trend. Inconvenient pregnancy? End it. Inconvenient relationship? End it. Life too boring? Drug it, preferrably with something illegal. Now it’s not unusual to see people in their 40’s on marriage 2 or 3. This is better? Now it’s not unusual to see impoverished young mothers, and men working two jobs for child support. With all this supposed freedom, are people making better choices now? There’s no evidence to show they are. The current model for young men and women is to shack up, fornicate, have a good time, and discard the relationship for greener pastures or for no particular reason. I think these young people will find themselves in their early 30’s with no real roots anywhere, except their original families.

This isn’t about women as single, isolated units, but about their mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers and their communities. Their future is unguided.

God bless,
Ed
 
I think you are more of a feminist than you give yourself credit for. It’s just weird that the word is so constantly used in the perjorative sense. Women should be proudly feminist!

Every movement has extremes. They are sometimes necessary to drag the bulk of people at least somewhere along the way to change.

PS: You can be very anti-abortion, but a feminist at the same time…you clearly are!
Thank you thomfra. Perhaps in addition to being a feminist, one could also say, I am fiercely independent, much to the distress of many.🤷
 
So…let me get this straight. You’re saying it was better when women depended upon men for their livelihood? When miserable, dissatisfied, stifled wives stayed with their unsatisfactory, sometimes abusive, presumptious and oh-so-entitled husbands because it was that or be a starving social outcast?

What many posters on this thread seem to be longing for is the appearance of social stability. Never mind that under the surface there are torrents of sadness, anger and longing for happiness that can’t be attained because of social constraints. As long as people look the part, shut up and toe the party line, then surely everything must be okay.

It’s that very mentality that allows domestic violence to flourish. Sure, everybody knows that it happens, some people might even recognise the signs, but as long as no-one complains, and it stays within the family circle, we can ignore it, right?

Instead of the coercive social structures that used to force women to settle into family life even if they were disinclined to do so, and even if there were no men with whom they felt true companionship and love, we now have a society where people are a bit more free to choose marriage for more noble motives than mere financial security. I hope this upward trend continues.
Please read my post to Kaninchen #543 if you think that is what I am saying. :o
 
So, if calm, reasoned argument won’t do, burn your bras and vilify all men? Isn’t this what’s done when facing an enemy in war? Turn him into some evil creature? Then, when the bombs stop falling and the shooting stops, sign a treaty and just resume trade? However, you’ll notice the feminists never mentioned an end to the conflict they helped to make much worse.

God bless,
Ed
 
So, if calm, reasoned argument won’t do, burn your bras and vilify all men?
When I was nine years old and violently sexually assaulted by a 16-year-old neighbor boy, I didn’t think to try calm, reasoned argument. Did the event color my relationships with men for the next 47 years? How could it not?

Women mistrusting men doesn’t always come from chafing under the yoke of an unfulfilled domestic life. Sometimes it’s a necessary defense. And yes, I do look over my shoulder and lock every door behind me and make sure I have a phone by my bed. Would you suggest I un-learn what I’ve been so viciously taught?

marietta
 
When I was nine years old and violently sexually assaulted by a 16-year-old neighbor boy, I didn’t think to try calm, reasoned argument. Did the event color my relationships with men for the next 47 years? How could it not?

Women mistrusting men doesn’t always come from chafing under the yoke of an unfulfilled domestic life. Sometimes it’s a necessary defense. And yes, I do look over my shoulder and lock every door behind me and make sure I have a phone by my bed. Would you suggest I un-learn what I’ve been so viciously taught?

marietta
Hope they put the bastard away for the rest of his natural life.
 
When I was nine years old and violently sexually assaulted by a 16-year-old neighbor boy, I didn’t think to try calm, reasoned argument. Did the event color my relationships with men for the next 47 years? How could it not?

Women mistrusting men doesn’t always come from chafing under the yoke of an unfulfilled domestic life. Sometimes it’s a necessary defense. And yes, I do look over my shoulder and lock every door behind me and make sure I have a phone by my bed. Would you suggest I un-learn what I’ve been so viciously taught?

marietta
Yes, what happened to you was terrible and your reaction was understandable. Do you still want to ignore the radical feminsts’ desire to paint all men as the enemy?

Peace,
Ed
 
You are repeating the same line used by the radical feminists. Sisters! Throw off the chains of your oppression! Now or in the future, ALL of you will be victims of men. You cannot reason with the enemy! You cannot negotiate with him. We are in the eternal struggle forever!!
Where in my post did you find any of this? What you are doing is tarring all feminist thought with the same brush. Anyone who expresses an opinion that suggests relationships between men and women have been strained and need to be constantly renegotioated - BANG - they’re a radical, bra-burning, man-hating, communist lesbian.
“Coercive social structures” are the invention of the Communist-Feminist Revolutionaries.
To my mind, this statement shows a lack of willingness to analyse social structures, to acknowledge the complexity of human relationships. You are just playing the blame game.
The radical feminists were selling fear, suspicion, doubt and, in some cases, outright hatred. The enemy, men, was clearly identified and dehumanized.
Um…that’s exactly what you have been doing, too, only towards feminists.
Were women more likely to be victims of abuse? Yes. Were all women in this category? No. And, surprisingly, there were social service agencies available to help women before radical feminism.
Once again, I don’t recall saying at any stage that all women are victims of abuse. That they are statistically more likely to suffer abuse than men is a demonstrable fact. Social service agencies, while their work is admirable, could do no more than offer band-aid solutions until there was a fundamental shift in public attitudes - away from the notion that a woman was essentially a piece of property at the disposal of her husband/father/brother/insert appropriate male relative.
 
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