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Wow this one is kind of scary. Here it is maybe you guys an lend me some advice… I dont know if he is Jewish now or what but it kinda of sounds like it.
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This is rude and offensive right off the top. This right here is grounds to simply block all further e-mails from him. And believe me I would.
He’s right…it’s not. Why not go Protestant? One word…Truth.
So… nothing new here. He heard wrong.
Purgatory is indeed in the Bible.
Yeah… as a matter of fact, we do. He’s full of bunkum on this one. Every list from the early church has the same canon that we do, and in fact, even n-C scholars agree that the NT quotes the Septuagint more than the Hebrew text.
**One thing that most folks don’t know is that out of the 373 OT quotes in the NT 340 (90%) come from the Septuagint Greek text, which tells us that that is the one that Jesus and the apostles quoted from. Since it patently contained the DCs, that tells us something by inferrence don’tcha think?
BTW this bit of scholarship actually comes from “Old Testament Quotations in the New Testament: A Complete Survey” (Moody Press, 1983) by Gleason Archer & G.C. Chirichigno, both of whom are Protestant**.
Yeah yeah yeah…One Church
Rhetorical rant…You realize that he just called his own daughter Satan. That’s pretty messed up.
This is dangerous theology here. He believes that all the world is intrinsically evil and that is not so stated by the Word of God. “The prince of the power of the air” is a bad dude alright, but “greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world.” (1st John 4:4 read the whole chapter for context here.)
I wonder if he realizes that that is an Islamic term?
Typical Evangelical…here he has confused Israel with the body of Christ. He can produce no scripture to back this up, and the CCC deals with this much better than he or any of the people I’ve encountered who hold this teaching.
This is just scarey rhetoric. He’s essentially saying that the battle of Armageddon is near and so is Jesus 2nd Coming. The first century Christians said pretty much the same thing because of the persecutions (over 300 years worth!), but he doesn’t know that. No one knows the day nor the hour and even if it’s true…God is faithful even as He was to the early church.
Yeah? And?
This is garbage…
Clearly a graduate of the Jack T. Chick school of theology and history.
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Good horror fiction here. Nothing that is based upon facts. Not a blessed thing. The Church has expressed absolutely no interest in owning the E.U. and The Catholic Church just happens to respect and love the Jewish people. More Chick tract theology.
More horror theology. Catholicism does not teach that the Jews are not the original people of God.
The almost funny thing about his reference to Hitler is that we can prove from both Catholic and Jewish sources that the Catholic Church was actually about the only non-Jewish group who actively opposed the holocaust and who actually did anything to help save Jewish lives. Pope Pius XII has been called “a righteous gentile” by Jews who would know.
Some truth, but we are the “salt”, “light” and “a city set on a hill”.
Wow…something that the Catholic Church would essentially agree with.
One question…What about his own religion? He’ll assert that he hasn’t got one but if he does then he has his Bible knowledge messed up. Look at James 1:26-27.
Tell him that you already are. This is something that the Catholic Church teaches constantly.
The verse he alludes to applies to the church primarily and then to us individually. However he seems to ignore the passages that show that submission to the church is part of Christian faith. Being pentecostal, he won’t want to hear 1st corinthians 14:29: Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said
Just preaching now…and irrelevent to any coherent discussion.
Pax tecum,
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More preaching…Catholics are big into this, but he won’t accept that.
. The LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH WILL RETURN IN POWER AND AUTHORITY AND HE WILL PUT DOWN THE REBELLION ON THIS PLANET.A tad militaristic aren’t we? Seems to get off on the judgement preaching.
How’d I know this was coming?
John Martignoni’s The Rapture & the Bible is one of the best Bible studies I’ve ever seen on this topic and shows that the Bible does not really teach this. It was concocted by a Church of Ireland pastor named John Nelson Darby back in the 1820s and was all but unknown here in the U.S. until C.I. Schofield included it in the notes of his “reference Bible”. No matter how hard you try you can only find about 3 other guys who ever even came close to teaching this and one of them was named a heretic by the early church. None of the ECF believed this, and the Catholic Church never has because it’s error, as John M’s Bible study beautifully shows. Also see False Profit in the CA online library.Preaching to the choir here…
I’m really sorry that he said this stuff to you guys and to be honest with you, I would simply block his e-mails from now on. This is just hurtful rhetoric and I question if she crawled back to him one her hands and knees, and you right beside her that you will ever hear the end of this. I really think it’s time to move on and stop subjecting yourselves to his emotional abuse because that is exactly what this is. He’s really lucky that your dear fiance hasn’t cut him off before now, but this is just something unhealthy that neither of you should be subjecting yourselves to. I have sons of my own and I can’t imagine saying things like this to them, even if they did something that I didn’t especially approve of. The youngest is 19, and they can’t do anything to make me lay this sort of guilt trip and emotional abuse on them. As a parent, it’s just very very wrong. Please think about that and consider blocking his mail. Your fiance’s sisters will call if they need her or if there’s news.
His remarks to and about you & your family (Aaron) are shameful.
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A valid question, certainly but you guys are already on your way to heaven and I pray for you every grace and mercy so that you not only enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but bring with you many many more as good fishers of men. Friendship the Key to Evangelization of Men
You already have done something.
And will do more yet!
As they say on the street, “I can’t tell.”
Yeah…okay. Tell someone who hasn’t willya Dad?
Just more rhetorical preaching. I get the impression that he ran out of things to say a long time ago and forgot to stop typing.
Well…that’s it guys. I’m sorry he’s so mean and nasty to you because from my little encounters and PMs with you you sound like good folks. Tell your dear fiance that if she needs someone to give her away at the wedding and he won’t come, to send me bus fare and I’ll come do it.
Thanks be to God for your family Aaron, who love her and accept her.
I really would block his mail. Whether you try to answer this one is, of course, up to you, but as you can see, what little content there really is to it is not stuff worthy of an answer and much of that is offensive.
May the peace of the Lord be always with you.
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This is nothing more than emotional blackmail.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he divorce her mother? Didn’t he walk out on his family?
“Your mother as well?” What does she have to do with this?
But he [sarcasm]graciously[/sarcasm] forgives you all.
Again, nothing more than emotional blackmail here. At this point I would say it is unhealthy for her to subject herself to this treatment.
Honoring your father and mother does not mean to let them make all your decisions. A grown woman “leaving his home” is not dishonoring. I strongly urge you to encourage her to seek spiritual guidance over how she deals with her father. This type of manipulation is not good for her to be subject to.
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It was her mother that left him, but only after he cheated on her. It was a mess and I am sure you know why. He is a fanatic in what ever he does. If its not religion its something else. He takes everything to extremes.
Nothing, when we went off to college he told my fiance that she was as dumb as her mother and it terribly upset her (not because she thought her mom was dumb… well you get the point) and he knows that this is something that would get at her. This was nothing more than an attempt to try to get her to go off and show how unchristian she really is. If she explodes on him, well then she really isnt Christian or something along those lines, I dont know his reasoning behind it but he has tried it before.
Yea isnt that funny. “You all have terribly upset me, I have no respect for any of you, but dont worry I am totally over it”But he [sarcasm]graciously[/sarcasm] forgives you all.
My fiance told me at this point she is no longer trying to re-establish a relationship. At this point we are just trying to correct an anti-Catholic and show him his errors.
Yea, its terrible. And he wasnt really that upset when she left, at first he was but then he realized that she was getting college paid for (it would have been stupid to stay home and give up her softball scholarship) and so he wasnt happy but he was ok with it for about 3 years. The relationship wasnt completely fine but they were civil they talked all the time but then she tells him that she was becoming Catholic and then he “walking” out on her family became a huge problem.
We were going to send him an invitation to our wedding to leave the decision up to him, but we feel he has already made the decision. Besides why would he want to go when he wouldnt “respect” the groom and the woman getting married, “Is not his little girl he remembers raising.”
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Wherever he goes, here is something to turn it around, from Hilaire Belloc:
In summary, in what is true, Islam ressembles Catholicism, in what is false, it ressembles Calvinism (and other branches of the reformation that founded their “truth” by sundering Catholic truths.
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While realizing what the Catechism says concerning Islam, I do admit they worship the One God. I have to admit that as there is no other God to worship. Only one exists. So they claim to be monotheistic therefore they worship the same God that we do. On the other hand, they must see a side of Him we cannot see, for He is murderous indeed. This is the difficulty in reconciling the Catechetical statements on Islam with the world we have around us, for in our world Islam more resembles paganism and barbarianism than it does Catholicism. But for that matter the same with Judaism, but to a more limited extent. For instance the piece in the paper today of the Jewish rabbi calling for the deaths of all Palestinian males. Paganistic and barbaric. And the outcry over the Pope’s speech calling for the assassination of the Pope, the beheadings in the Middle East and the hanging of the heads on bridges reminds me immediately of the shrunken heads of humans Cost Plus used to import to the states when I was a kid. For fifty cents a person could buy the shrunken head of the enemy of a particular tribe in the philippines. Today we would call that paganistic and barbaric. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that the head hunters of the philippines were pagans. But there seems to be doubt that Muslims are pagans. Probably due to the Catechetical statements on Islam. Recently I have decided trying to find the common ground between Catholicism and Islam is not for the average person- it is something to be reserved for the greatest theologians for a person of average intelligence at some point has to say if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck maybe it really is a duck. And right now Islam is barbaric and murderous and Judaism as well. They cry out about Allah and Yahweh but what kind of a God demands blood revenge, executions, wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians, beheadings of Christians and the deaths of Palestinian males? Pagan religions do. Pagans demand death and cruelty. Not holy people following God. Sometimes the Catechism is a mystery.
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You know, I would suggest you leave it be.
He has a well established pattern of abuse: “you’re as dumb as you mother” - the woman I cheated on. Umm right. I mean how could someone every think he would be faithful, right?
Everything he sends you two tells you he refuses to listen. To him, the fact that you are catholic means your ideas are not worthy of consideration. He is not able to control both of you and he hates it. Come on, he didn’t even want her to get an education!
Isolation is a classic technique of abusers. Thank God she has been delivered her from that.
I suggest you put your effort into her sisters. From his writings, I’m guessing they are still under his control.
You won’t persuade him with logic. He has repeatedly demonstrated that he is beyond that. All you can do is pray for him. Then your fiance needs to set her boudaries so that she doesn’t allow her father to continue his manipulative and, yes, abusive tactics.
That includes not having him at the wedding as long as he refuses to respect you or her.
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The similarity of Islam and Catholicism is Moses’ Law
The both obey and observe most portions of Moses’ Law.
Although Islam allows Adultery, multiple marriages, practise circumcision, believe in Allah which falls short of John 3:16, the Catholic Church teaches strongly on moral values and adopted baptism and the clergy sign vows to serve God and not human desires.
Islam was born after Catholic Church had run into problems following Constantinople’s attempt to unite the Church.
Recent years indicate that Islam formed the backbone to support the Catholic Church; this is achieved by principles that would plunge the Catholic Church into crisis, if security had to be manned by the Church. Many Muslim people sacrifice their lives in attempt to meet Allah’s wishes, which allows them to bear and hold weapons, where as Catholic Church is restricted to internal security. This is a very controversial area of faith.
Neither of them would wish proclaim to have political power to rule the world, but if Islam mans security, then obviously they rule the world.
The both obey and observe most portions of Moses’ Law.
Although Islam allows Adultery, multiple marriages, practise circumcision, believe in Allah which falls short of John 3:16, the Catholic Church teaches strongly on moral values and adopted baptism and the clergy sign vows to serve God and not human desires.
Islam was born after Catholic Church had run into problems following Constantinople’s attempt to unite the Church.
Recent years indicate that Islam formed the backbone to support the Catholic Church; this is achieved by principles that would plunge the Catholic Church into crisis, if security had to be manned by the Church. Many Muslim people sacrifice their lives in attempt to meet Allah’s wishes, which allows them to bear and hold weapons, where as Catholic Church is restricted to internal security. This is a very controversial area of faith.
Neither of them would wish proclaim to have political power to rule the world, but if Islam mans security, then obviously they rule the world.
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Why Bother???
“God speaks to us not so much in words as in events. What is important is not what happens but how we react to what happens” .—Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
As a child, I watched Archbishop Sheen LIVE on TV. What a saint!
quick answer to his question - One word : **GOD!:dancing: **
“God speaks to us not so much in words as in events. What is important is not what happens but how we react to what happens” .—Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
As a child, I watched Archbishop Sheen LIVE on TV. What a saint!
quick answer to his question - One word : **GOD!:dancing: **
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SARA888 said They have nothing in common.!
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary , and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures: He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
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You said:
The two religions have many differences, just quoting the creed is 'cute" but doen’t answer the OP. Better would be to say the “Sacraments” and JESUS as the only Son of God.
Lets pray for one another and the end to Abortion. 271 children are murdered in the USA every minute. That is more important than the OP don’t you think?
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary , and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures: He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son, He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
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You said:
You are correct to say “AMEN” only if Amen means you are wrong!
The two religions have many differences, just quoting the creed is 'cute" but doen’t answer the OP. Better would be to say the “Sacraments” and JESUS as the only Son of God.
Lets pray for one another and the end to Abortion. 271 children are murdered in the USA every minute. That is more important than the OP don’t you think?
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My Friends, Tomorrow Is My Birthday! So
As My Gift To You, I Present You The Following:
’MEET ME IN THE STAIRWELL’
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You say you will never forget where you were when
you heard the news On September 11, 2001.
Neither will I.
I was on the 110th floor in a smoke filled room
with a man who called his wife to say ‘Good-Bye.’ I
held his fingers steady as he dialed. I gave him the
peace to say, ‘Honey , I am not going to make it, but it
is OK…I am ready to go.’
I was with his wife when he called as she fed
breakfast to their children. I held her up as she
tried to understand his words and as she realized
he wasn’t coming home that night.
I was in the stairwell of the 23rd floor when a
woman cried out to Me for help. ‘I have been
knocking on the door of your heart for 50 years!’ I said.
‘Of course I will show you the way home - only
believe in Me now.’
I was at the base of the building with the Priest
ministering to the injured and devastated souls.
I took him home to tend to his Flock in Heaven. He
heard my voice and answered.
I was on all four of those planes, in every seat,
with every prayer. I was with the crew as they
were overtaken. I was in the very hearts of the
believers there, comforting and assuring them that their
faith has saved them.
I was in Texas , Virginia , California , Michigan , Afghanistan …
I was standing next to you when you heard the terrible news.
Did you sense Me?
I want you to know that I saw every face. I knew
every name - though not all know Me. Some met Me
for the first time on the 86th floor.
Some sought Me with their last breath.
Some couldn’t hear Me calling to them through the
smoke and flames; ‘Come to Me… this way… take
my hand.’ Some chose, for the final time, to ignore Me.
But, I was there.
I did not place you in the Tower that day. You
may not know why, but I do. However, if you were
there in that explosive moment in time, would you have
reached for Me?
Sept. 11, 2001, was not the end of the journey
for you. But someday your journey will end… And I
will be there for you as well. Seek Me now while I may
be found. Then, at any moment, you know you are
‘ready to go.’
I will be in the stairwell of your final moments.
God **
During the next 60 seconds, stop whatever you are doing, and take this opportunity. (Literally it is only 1 minute.) All you have to do is the following:
Stop and think and appreciate God’s power in your life, for doing what you know is pleasing to Him.
As My Gift To You, I Present You The Following:
’MEET ME IN THE STAIRWELL’
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You say you will never forget where you were when
you heard the news On September 11, 2001.
Neither will I.
I was on the 110th floor in a smoke filled room
with a man who called his wife to say ‘Good-Bye.’ I
held his fingers steady as he dialed. I gave him the
peace to say, ‘Honey , I am not going to make it, but it
is OK…I am ready to go.’
I was with his wife when he called as she fed
breakfast to their children. I held her up as she
tried to understand his words and as she realized
he wasn’t coming home that night.
I was in the stairwell of the 23rd floor when a
woman cried out to Me for help. ‘I have been
knocking on the door of your heart for 50 years!’ I said.
‘Of course I will show you the way home - only
believe in Me now.’
I was at the base of the building with the Priest
ministering to the injured and devastated souls.
I took him home to tend to his Flock in Heaven. He
heard my voice and answered.
I was on all four of those planes, in every seat,
with every prayer. I was with the crew as they
were overtaken. I was in the very hearts of the
believers there, comforting and assuring them that their
faith has saved them.
I was in Texas , Virginia , California , Michigan , Afghanistan …
I was standing next to you when you heard the terrible news.
Did you sense Me?
I want you to know that I saw every face. I knew
every name - though not all know Me. Some met Me
for the first time on the 86th floor.
Some sought Me with their last breath.
Some couldn’t hear Me calling to them through the
smoke and flames; ‘Come to Me… this way… take
my hand.’ Some chose, for the final time, to ignore Me.
But, I was there.
I did not place you in the Tower that day. You
may not know why, but I do. However, if you were
there in that explosive moment in time, would you have
reached for Me?
Sept. 11, 2001, was not the end of the journey
for you. But someday your journey will end… And I
will be there for you as well. Seek Me now while I may
be found. Then, at any moment, you know you are
‘ready to go.’
I will be in the stairwell of your final moments.
God **
During the next 60 seconds, stop whatever you are doing, and take this opportunity. (Literally it is only 1 minute.) All you have to do is the following:
Stop and think and appreciate God’s power in your life, for doing what you know is pleasing to Him.
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We both revere Mary, the Koran:
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YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
PICKTHAL: And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.
SHAKIR: And when the angels said: O Marium! surely Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of of the world.
However similarities is not sameness… Christianity/ Catholicism predates Islam by 600 yrs.
We both believe in one Supreme being as creator.
They all Him Allah, For a muslim or anyone else to call The Supreme being (Allah) , “Father” is to blapheme.
We honor Abraham, But Islam says the promise to Abraham and his descendants is though Ismael, the son of the slave though Hagar, not the first born of Abraham an Sarah,
But the Bible says: Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. t our Bible says:
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YUSUFALI: Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
PICKTHAL: And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.
SHAKIR: And when the angels said: O Marium! surely Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of of the world.
However similarities is not sameness… Christianity/ Catholicism predates Islam by 600 yrs.
We both believe in one Supreme being as creator.
They all Him Allah, For a muslim or anyone else to call The Supreme being (Allah) , “Father” is to blapheme.
We honor Abraham, But Islam says the promise to Abraham and his descendants is though Ismael, the son of the slave though Hagar, not the first born of Abraham an Sarah,
But the Bible says: Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. t our Bible says:
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Hello Rob,
The quesion was what do we have have in common?
You say, “Who Cares?”
Personally I believe Mohmmad took the idea which had untied Jews and Christians… re-invented the Bible as the Koran, to attempt to unite the The Arabic tribes. He was merchant, (so I don’t believe, he was illiterate, as they say he was), but it must of been a business mans’ nightmare dealing with all those god’s. Different tribes had a different god for each day of the week, for each week, each month etc…etc… Mohammad had to know about the Christian and Hebrew peoples and what binded them together as a nation, in trading with them. He just packaged it ifferently, that’s what I came to think.
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But, one other thing, I think Isalm is anti Abortion in their Beliefs
Heretics or not:
That would be a common belief and cause in Washington;
And a welcome ally against the butchering of innocent children, in the one place they ought to be the safest in… Their Mother’s womb.
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