What does Islam truely teach about the Salvation of Non-Muslims?

[Khan]

Hmm, I’m afraid I’d have to take the side of the man who thinks the People of the Book can go to heaven. Though, I would like to use Hadith (it seems he dislikes them).

I would like to take his place and continue this topic and conversation with you Gonzales.

i’ve browsed through muhammad asad’s translation and commentary and i’ve found numerous mistakes in interpretation. his translation has mu’tazili perspetive - the mu’tazilah were one of the first 4 deviant sects to emerge from amongst the muslims, the original 4 which all other devant sects are derived from. so, i wouldn’t really consider his translation to be a reliable one at all.

For those who are unaware, the Mu’tazili is an 8th century Islamic school of thought, now extinct. In Arabic, it means “to abandon”.

The Mu’tazili hold these five ideas:

1.God is impossible to comprehend. (Surprisingly, some present day sects of Islam believe that all the descriptions in the Qur’an of him on a throne and so forth are literal. God is beyond having to sit down or needing a throne.)
2.God doesn’t do evil, evil comes from men.
3.God rewards those who obey him with promises, and punishes those who disobeyed him with threat.
4.All sinners will not burn in hell forever nor will all sinners remain unpunished, but rather something occurring in between these two.
5.Allow good and prohibit evil.

Aside from the second and third ideas, there’s not much blasphemy here. Nothing bad enough to write off a whole school of thought at least. As far Muhammad Asad being apart of this school, I believe the only idea that is present in his writings (as much as I’ve read at least) is the first one.

To be continued…

 

[Khan]

“indeed the religion that Allah is pleased with for His creation, sent His messengers with and does not accept other than it is al-islam. it is compliance to Allah alone with obedience, submission to Him with servitude and following the messengers in what He sent them with in every time until they concluded with muhammad, may Allah send greetings and peace upon him, who after his mission, Allah will not accept from anyone a religion other than the islam he was sent with. and the differing between the people of the Book from the jews and the christians and their splitting up into groups and parties did not occur except after the proof was established upon them with the sending of the messengers and the revealing of the Books; out of injustice and jealousy seeking worldly possessions. and whoever rejects Allah’s verses that were sent down and the verses indicating His lordship and His divinity, then indeed Allah is swift in reckoning, and He will reward them with what they used to do.”

I’m sorry, but am I allowed to ask, how the Tasfeer came to this conclusion? I simply want to understand, not just to be told. I’m going to continue how I believe that this is not true, but I would really like to understand where these great scholars are coming from as well. Seeking knowledge and questioning what has been established should not be considered a sin, but rather a necessity for every human looking for truth inside his heart.

al-islam’s 5 pillars: testimony of faith (testifying that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that muhammad is His messenger), 5 daily prayers, paying the zakaah, fasting ramadaan and pilgrimage to the holy house in mecca at least once in your life if you are able.

faith’s 6 pillars: belief in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, the last day and predecree - its good and its bad.

regardless of whatever dictionary definition of “islam” your muslim friend whats to provide, the simple fact of the matter is that christians and jews reject muhammad’s prophethood and messengership, thus effectively nullifying any type of “islam” they might have had. this in and of itself is enough to refute what your friend has proposed in his reply to those at thetruereligion.org.

Yes, indeed these are the pillars of faith. But what about those who do some of it? The two things most other religions do are: pray to God and give to charity. Is having a grain of goodness in you enough to save you from the hellfire? Let’s look at this Hadith from Sahih Bukhari:

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 21:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, “When the people of Paradise will enter Paradise and the people of Hell will go to Hell, Allah will order those who have had faith equal to the weight of a grain of mustard seed to be taken out from Hell. So they will be taken out but (by then) they will be blackened (charred). Then they will be put in the river of Haya’ (rain) or Hayat (life) (the Narrator is in doubt as to which is the right term), and they will revive like a grain that grows near the bank of a flood channel. Don’t you see that it comes out yellow and twisted”
People of other religions have at least that much faith, at least that much goodness for them to be taken out of the hellfire.

Another one…

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 42:
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet said, "Whoever said "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of a barley grain will be taken out of Hell. And whoever said: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of a wheat grain will be taken out of Hell. And whoever said, “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and has in his heart good (faith) equal to the weight of an atom will be taken out of Hell.”
The argument can be put forth whether Christians (and I’d like to include Hindus) can be considered to worship God “alone”. But to me, this verse makes it clear (since you don’t like Asad, I’ll use Yousuf Ali, inshallah this shall be sufficient):

Qur’an 3:64 – Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).”

In this verse we notice God putting “worship none but Allah” as a common term between the Muslims and followers of previous revelations. Something also to consider: if rebuked, Muslims respond “bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims” or since Muslim means a person who submits themselves to God “bear witness that we (at least) are people who submit ourselves to God”. If not rebuked, does this not also mean that Christians and Jews also submit themselves to God?

To be continued…

 

[Khan]

for the record, the ummah (nation) of muhammad is all of mankind as is shown in verse 7:158, where Allah commands prophet muhammad, “say: o mankind, i am Allah’s messenger to you all, the One who the dominion of the heavens and the earth belong to. there is no deity [worthy of worship] except Him. He gives life and He causes death. so believe in Allah and His messenger, the illiterate prophet who believes in Allah and His words. follow him in hopes that you be guided.” so, since he is the last of the prophets and messengers, those who lived during his time and those who came after his time until the day of judgement are from his nation and they are all obligated to follow and believe in him.

True, they should go to Islam and submit themselves totally to God, and only then they are fully Muslim. But what about those who continue to follow prophets of earlier revelations? This is what our argument is mainly centering on, and citing proof from my last post, I still have a strong conviction in my heart that they can enter paradise.

as for the stuff your friend mentioned about other religions believing in only one god, then this isn’t exactly the place i want to get into this discussion, but the issue is not so much about believing in one God, it’s more about associating partners and equals to Allah in worship. this is the main reason the prophets and messengers were sent and is the meaning of the statement, “laa ilaaha illallah”, whose literal word for word translation is, “there is no deity except Allah.” the statement’s full meaning “there is no deity [worthy of worship] except Allah.” and this is because to say that there is only one deity is false, as is shown by the simple fact that millions of deities exist and are worshipped by people. regardless of how your friend wants to go on about the hindus only believing in one god, the simple fact of the matter is that the hindus have some 33 million different deities that they worship. and this is the true point of contention against them, aside from the fact that they don’t follow prophet muhammad or the Quran, which was revealed to all of mankind.

Hindus worshiping several deities is as important as Muslims calling God by his 99 attributes. No Hindu believes that these Gods are actually powerful on their own: each of them is just one of the innumerable attributes of God. I urge you to study other religions and see that they too have beauty in them. Because remember, the prophet said, "Convey from me even an Ayah of the Qur’an; relate traditions from Banu Israel, and there is no restriction on that; but he who deliberately forges a lie against me let him have his abode in the Hell.’’

To be continued…

 

[Khan]

being good and treating the disbelievers justly and fairly does not necessitate taking them as close confidants and allies, which is what “entrusting them” in these verses means. translating the word “walee” in arabic as “friend” in english is inaccurate and not correct, as it means a lot more than just “friend”. let’s say for argument’s sake that it does mean “friend” in the way most of us understand the word “friend”, for you to treat someone with goodness and fairness, does that person have to be your friend? or can you deal with just about anyone - whether they’re your friend or not - in this manner? if the answer is yes, then there is no way that this verse can conflict with the one your muslim friend or even muhammad asad claims it does.

Allah has explicitly prohibited the muslims from taking the jews and the christians as awliyaa’ (pl. of walee). He says in the Qur’an, “o those who believed, do not take the jews and the christians as close-confidants. they are close-confidants of each other. and whoever from you entrusts them, then indeed, he is from them. indeed, Allah does not guide the oppressive people.” (5:51).

To understand this fully, we must understand Surah Al-Maeda (The Table, where the verse which Gonzales is quoting is from) in its context. It occurs after the treaty of Hudaibiya, and for those not familiar with Islamic history, was a defining point in Islamic politics. The Jews of Medina, the “Banu Israel” (I believe that translates as the “Children of Israel), broke a treaty with the Muslims of Medina and joined their enemies. This betrayal was the main point spoke about in this Surah.

I would like to take a slight detour here and clear up any misconceptions that may arise from the non-Muslims if you don’t mind Gonzales. Many non-Muslims might take this betrayal and ask “Why would God let them make the treaty in the first place?” Well, in turn we can ask why God let the Jews get enslaved by Egypt in the first place and so forth. Like any story occurring in the Abrahamic religions, they were allowed to occur so we could learn from them.

Now, about taking Jews and Christians and close-confidants, we have to wonder, if we can’t take Jews and Christians as close-confidants, how can we marry them?

We are allowed to marry People of the Book because of this verse:

Qur’an 5:5 – This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful to unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time, - when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

So considering that point, and the fact that it is in Surah Al-Maeda, this verse obviously isn’t referring to personal relationships, but rather political ones. And I do agree that politically Muslims can only seem to trust Muslims, my main point being the creation of the state of Israel, and no Christian state really seeming to take Palestine’s side.

I do believe some Jews and Christians are corrupt, but not all of them. This is made obvious in verses such as:

Qur’an 3:69 – It is the wish of a section of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they shall lead astray (Not you), but themselves, and they do not perceive!

As well as…

Qur’an 3:113-3:115 - Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid doing what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those who do right.

Sounds like the many beautiful Catholics I’ve seen on this forum . God bless you all, and please may we all be guided along the right path. I’m looking forward to continuing this exchange of ideas, Gonzales.

 

[r.gonzales]

Khan:

For those who are unaware, the Mu’tazili is an 8th century Islamic school of thought, now extinct. In Arabic, it means “to abandon”.

actually, the name mu’tazilah is derived from the verb 'azala, which means to remove, set aside, isolate, detatch and to dismiss. they were called this because they negated Allah’s attributes by removing their meanings believing it to be tawheed.

Khan:

The Mu’tazili hold these five ideas:

1.God is impossible to comprehend. (Surprisingly, some present day sects of Islam believe that all the descriptions in the Qur’an of him on a throne and so forth are literal. God is beyond having to sit down or needing a throne.)
2.God doesn’t do evil, evil comes from men.
3.God rewards those who obey him with promises, and punishes those who disobeyed him with threat.
4.All sinners will not burn in hell forever nor will all sinners remain unpunished, but rather something occurring in between these two.
5.Allow good and prohibit evil.

Aside from the second and third ideas, there’s not much blasphemy here. Nothing bad enough to write off a whole school of thought at least. As far Muhammad Asad being apart of this school, I believe the only idea that is present in his writings (as much as I’ve read at least) is the first one.

with respect to point number 1 and your comment, the belief that Allah is above His creation is the belief of ahl as-sunnah wal-jamaa’ah. and this is proven by numerous texts from both the Quran and the authentic sunnah, most of which are listed in the book al-'uloo by al-imam adh-dhahabee. there are also many statements from the scholars of the first couple of centuries that indicate this is the correct belief as well - among them al-imam maalik, al-imam ash-shaafi’ee, al-imam ahmad and many others. it is also the belief of ahl as-sunnah wal-jamaa’ah that we affirm whatever Allah and His messenger have described Him with of names and attributes, without interpreting them to mean other than their apparent meanings, without negating their meanings or changing them and without asking about the particulars (especially with regards to His attributes).

as for where the mu’tazilah deviated, then it was with their negation of Allah’s attributes, along with their belief that the Quran was created, their belief that rebelling against the muslim rulers is correct and that muslims guilty of major sin are in limbo between belief and disbelief and that they are destined to be in hell forever. (ref: appendix 3 of explanation of the creed, published by al-hidaayah).

Khan:

As far Muhammad Asad being apart of this school, I believe the only idea that is present in his writings (as much as I’ve read at least) is the first one.

i never said that muhammad asad was mu’tazili. i said that his translation has a mu’tazili perspective. i also mentioned that his translation contains many mistakes in interpretation - and this can be verified by checking the classical works of exegesis such as the tafseers by ibn katheer (which is one of the best you can find) and others.

i’ll try to reply to more when/if i can find some time tomorrow - it’s late and i need sleep.

peace.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Faith101:

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Does that really make sense to you? When you pray, who do you believe you are praying to? Jesus, the son. Or God the Father. Or the holy spirit. Or all 3 (understanding that they are all one).
Perfect sense.

I do understand your devotion to him…but so too are muslims

Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah. (Chapter #3, Verse #45)

We just dont elevate him to the status of divinity. He never told anyone to worship him…all that is left is conjecture and interpreation.

No, it’s quite clear from the New Testament, which we hold in as high a regard as you do the Quaran. He said,“I and the Father are One.” He said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” Jesus was either a spectacular liar OR a total nut job OR, from everlasting to everlasting, God Almighty Himself, the Logos which was with God and was God before all else was, who sent to us the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, God Himself. You can take nothing else from the Gospels themselves. It isn’t a matter of “sense.” It is a matter of faith and, ultimately, love.

May God guide us all to the straight path and help us get into paradise together

If your faith and your interpretation of it are correct, I will never see paradise, as I will not now nor, please the Grace of God, will I ever affirm that Jesus was other than God Most High, the Incarnate Word. I don’t think any other Christian on this site would deny Him either. So I guess we’re doomed.

 

[Khan]

Ok Gonzales, take your time, I won’t start posting till you’re finished with your argument.

 

[r.gonzales]

Khan:

I’m sorry, but am I allowed to ask, how the Tasfeer came to this conclusion? I simply want to understand, not just to be told.

part of the answer you’re looking for was mentioned right after i quoted that explanation.

let’s take a look at some hadeeths regarding what i mentioned of islam’s pillars. in the famous hadeeth of gabriel - the hadeeth narrated in the two saheehs of al-buhaaree and muslim, where 'umar narrates the story of when angel gabriel came to visit prophet muhammad in the form of a human while in the presence of a number of companions. angel gabriel asked prophet muhammad, “tell me about al-islam?” prophet muhammad replied, “al-islam is that you testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that i am the messenger of Allah. [that] you establish the prayer, give the zakaah (which is not mere charity), fast [the month] of ramadaan and make pilgrimage to the house (i.e., the ka’bah in makkah) if you are able [of finding] a way to it.” then there is the hadeeth narrated by 'abdullah bin 'umar, in which prophet muhammad said, “al-islam is built upon five: the testimony that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that muhammad is Allah’s messenger, establishment of the prayer, giving of the zakaah, pilgrimage of the house and fasting ramadaan.” this hadeeth was also narrated in both saheeh al-bukhaaree and saheeh muslim.

the pillars of islam are what the religion is built upon. if you are missing any of the last 4 pillars, at the very least your islam is deficient. i only mention this about the last 4 because the scholars of islam are agreed that what enters a person into al-islam is pronouncing the testimonies of faith; that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that muhammad is Allah’s messenger - so unless they have this, they have no islam. so believing in prophet muhammad is a must for this first foundational pillar to be met. as for obeying prophet muhammad, in numerous places in the Quran, Allah mentions, “obey Allah and obey the messenger (i.e., prophet muhammad),” thus, following the way and religion of prophet muhammad is an obligation for mankind.

as for what you mention here and the hadeeths you quote:

Khan:

Yes, indeed these are the pillars of faith. But what about those who do some of it? The two things most other religions do are: pray to God and give to charity. Is having a grain of goodness in you enough to save you from the hellfire?

let’s take a look at the definition of faith (al-iman) as explained by al-imam ibn qutaibah ad-deenawaree, one of the very early great religious leaders of this religion. he said, “so faith (al-iman) is of two categories: a root and a branch. so the root: is the two testimonies of faith (i.e., testifying that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and that muhammad is His messenger), belief in the resurrection, paradise and the hellfire, the angels, everything that Allah informed of in His Book (the Quran) and what resembles this from what His messenger informed of from Him. this is the affair that whoever disbelieves in anything from it, then he has exited from faith and it is not said about him that he is a believer, or that he is someone deficient in faith.”

whoever does not have the root of faith - which is comprised of the 6 pillars listed, along with these other obligations - then he has no faith and those hadeeths you quoted do not apply to him.

Khan:

The argument can be put forth whether Christians (and I’d like to include Hindus) can be considered to worship God “alone”. But to me, this verse makes it clear (since you don’t like Asad, I’ll use Yousuf Ali, inshallah this shall be sufficient):

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In this verse we notice God putting “worship none but Allah” as a common term between the Muslims and followers of previous revelations. Something also to consider: if rebuked, Muslims respond “bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims” or since Muslim means a person who submits themselves to God “bear witness that we (at least) are people who submit ourselves to God”. If not rebuked, does this not also mean that Christians and Jews also submit themselves to God?

actually, i’m not a big fan of yusuf ali’s translation either, as it too contains many errors - many of which are sufi in origin.

here’s a better translation of the verse: “say: ‘o people of the Book (i.e., the jews and christians), come to an equal word between us and you; that we only worship Allah, we do not associate anything with Him and [that] we do not take each other as lords besides Allah.’ so, if they turn away [from tawheed] then say: ‘bear witness that we are muslims.’”

the common word between us (the muslims) and them (the jews and the christians) is dependant on 1. worshipping Allah alone not associating anything with Him and 2. that we do not take each other as lords besides Allah. this common word cannot occur with just one of these things without the other.

and as Allah informs us about the people of the Book, “they (the jews and the christians) took their bishops and their rabbis as lords besides Allah, as well as the messiah son of mary while they were not commanded except to worship one deity (i.e., Allah), there is no deity worthy of worship except Him. glory be to Him from what they associate with Him.” (9:31).

more to come, God willing…

 

[r.gonzales]

assalaamu ‘alaa man ittibaa’ al-hudaa.

Khan:

True, they should go to Islam and submit themselves totally to God, and only then they are fully Muslim. But what about those who continue to follow prophets of earlier revelations? This is what our argument is mainly centering on, and citing proof from my last post, I still have a strong conviction in my heart that they can enter paradise.

true submission to Allah and worshipping Him alone according to the manner He desires is incumbant on a few things… one of the most important is accepting and believing in all the messengers He sent.

Allah, exalted is He, says, “muhammad is not the father of anyone from your men, however, he is Allah’s messenger and the seal of the prophets. and Allah is knowledgeable of everything.” (33:40)

Allah, glorified is He, says, “surely, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and desire to differentiate between Allah and His messengers saying we believe in some and disbelieve in some. they desire to take a way between that. those, they are the disbelievers in truth. and We prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. and those who believe in Allah and His messengers while not differentiating between anyone of them, those, they will be given their rewards and Allah is Forgiving, Compassionate.” (4:150-152).

those who diselieved in prophet muhammad after his being sent are disbelievers, as is shown by this verse.

not only must we believe in him, but we must obey and follow him as well.

Allah, exalted is He, says, “say: obey Allah and the messenger (muhammad), because if you turn away, surely, Allah does not love the disbelievers.” (3:32).

Allah, exalted is He, says, “say: obey Allah and obey the messenger, because if you turn away, then certainly upon him is what he was burdened with and upon you is what you were burdened with, and if you obey him then you would be guided. and there is nothing upon the messenger except clear conveyance.” (24:54).

Allah, glorified is He, says, “o those who believed, obey Allah and obey the messenger (muhammad) and do not invalidate your deeds.” (47:33).

this last verse is especially important because it is a proof and evidence to show that those who disobey Allah and who disobey prophet muhammad at the very least run a high risk of having their deeds invalidated in the afterlife - which goes against what is mentioned in the posts by the muslim friend of pmv of his belief that the disbelievers will have their good deeds in the afterlife.

Khan:

Hindus worshiping several deities is as important as Muslims calling God by his 99 attributes. No Hindu believes that these Gods are actually powerful on their own: each of them is just one of the innumerable attributes of God. I urge you to study other religions and see that they too have beauty in them. Because remember, the prophet said, "Convey from me even an Ayah of the Qur’an; relate traditions from Banu Israel, and there is no restriction on that; but he who deliberately forges a lie against me let him have his abode in the Hell.’’

this is a false and invalid analogy. muslims believe in Allah’s names and attributes (which come up to more than 99) as desriptions and attributes that are part of Him, they aren’t separate incarnations or entities that make up one god. for example, Allah’s name ar-Rahmaan. it means “the merciful” He is called this because of His all encompassing mercy. ar-Rahmaan is not an incarnation of Allah, or an intermediary or anything of the sort. ar-Rahmaan is Allah. the names and atttributes of Allah are nothing like vishnu and ganesh and brahma, shiva or lingam - where the hindus have different idols to represent each of them. all of those gods are separate entities, which they say are different incarnations of one god.

as for your statement, “No Hindu believes that these Gods are actually powerful on their own”, i urge you to read the two small books, “kashf ash-shubuhaat” (unveiling the doubts) and “qawaa’id al-arba’ah” (the four principles). both of which have been translated into english if you cannot read arabic.

kashf ash-shubuhaat: store.yahoo.com/islamicbookstore-com/b7632.html

qawaa’id al-arba’ah: store.yahoo.com/islamicbookstore-com/b7257.html

they reply to any of the doubts you might have about shirk and its reality.

as for what you mention of other religions having beauty in them, so what? every religion in the world today has some aspect of truth in it. that aspect, no matter how large or small, is not enough to make them right. there is only one religion that Allah is pleased with and will accept from His slaves on the day of standing, and that is the religion He sent with His final messenger, muhammad. as for that hadeeth, “convey from me, even if an aayah”, it has no relevance to this discussion, so why even mention it?

more to come, inshaa’allah.

 

[r.gonzales]

my apologies for taking so long to post this last reply to you, br. khan.

Khan:

Qur’an 3:113-3:115

as is mentioned in the various tafseers, this verse, “they are not equal. from the people of the Book is an upright nation, they recite Allah’s verses during a period of night and they prostrate. they believe in Allah and the last day, they order the good while prohibiting the evil and they rush in [doing] good deeds and they are from the righteous. whatever they do of good, they will not be denied it. and Allah is Knowledgeable of the pious.” is referring to the likes of 'abdullah bin salaam and his companions (r) from the jews and christians who accepted islam. the Allah’s verses mentioned in the this particular verse refers to the Quran they recite during their night prayers.

you can verify this in these tafaaseer:

tafseer al-muyassar,
tafseer as-sa’dee,
tafseer ibn katheer,
tafseer at-tabaree…

and i’m sure you’ll find the same thing in many of the others.

 

[Preacher]

PMV:

Does Islam teach that it is possible for Christians and Jews to attain salvation? I’ve started a thread similiar to this a while ago, and read many different viewpoints that Muslims have on this topic. Certain Muslims claim that anyone who doesn’t go by the Quran is doomed to Hell, and other ones claim that anyone globally who believes in One God and serves Him could achieve it. To the Muslims on this forum, what is the downright teaching about the salvation of Non-Muslims?

Hi there

It is funny to notice that Christians always talks to some unknown and unnamed Muslim/s and take there alleged “hearsay” as pretext to draw conslcusions. I wonder why like others you did not use the authentic and correct source/s to seek answers and what prevented you from doing as such?

Having said that, here is the authentic and authoriative answer for you, to clear up things. Please click on the link below:

What is the concept of salvation in Islaam?

Regards
Preacher

 

[Eetaq]

Preacher:

Hi there

It is funny to notice that Christians always talks to some unknown and unnamed Muslim/s and take there alleged “hearsay” as pretext to draw conslcusions. I wonder why like others you did not use the authentic and correct source/s to seek answers and what prevented you from doing as such?

Having said that, here is the authentic and authoriative answer for you, to clear up things. Please click on the link below:

What is the concept of salvation in Islaam?

Regards
Preacher

preacher your site has too much arabic, I speak some arabic and even I dont get it. Find another site, like islam-online.net or something

 

[fatuma]

Have you ever wondered why before we recite any passage of the Quran we begin with the words: In the name of God The most Merciful, The most Compassionate?

wa salam

 

[Preacher]

Eetaq:

preacher your site has too much arabic, I speak some arabic and even I dont get it. Find another site, like islam-online.net or something

Hi there

Needless to point out that you have answered the question yourself. “Some” is not all, beside what do you know about the Qur’anic Arabic?

Again, “some” is not all or fluent or well versed etc. By the way, I use that authentic website as my source that prevent me from typing or copy and paste etc.

 

[PMV]

Preacher:

Hi there

It is funny to notice that Christians always talks to some unknown and unnamed Muslim/s and take there alleged “hearsay” as pretext to draw conslcusions. I wonder why like others you did not use the authentic and correct source/s to seek answers and what prevented you from doing as such?

Having said that, here is the authentic and authoriative answer for you, to clear up things. Please click on the link below:

What is the concept of salvation in Islaam?

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Preacher

Hi Preacher,

The thing I like about the Catholic faith is that it teaches that non-Christians can be saved too, and that God judges an individual’s life based on what he sincerely did to serve God. What you’re talking about is practically equivalent to Protestant theology, that God bases everything on a simple choice of *how *a person served Him. It just doesn’t make sense to me, and it’s a close-minded view of the world. There are Christians who say that if a person doesn’t ‘accept Jesus’, that person is damned, and Muslims who say if that person doesn’t accept Muhhamad’s message, then they are damned. Seriously, how do you *know *whether someone of a different religion will go to Hell for not? Do you think it’s impossible for a good Christian who’s heard of Islam to go to Heaven, God-willing?

God’s ways are different then our ways, so why do you think it’s impossible for someone not in your religion to go to Heaven?

I don’t see myself converting to Islam, and if I did, it would mean that I’d have to automatically assume that all of my family members are automatically in Hell for being Christians. I ask fundamentalist Christians and Muslims alike, why do you buy into this false view of the world?

I’ve heard various views about salvation according to Islam. Why are there so many disagreements? Is there a ‘true authority’ in Islam that interprets the Koran, rather then various ‘experts’?

 

[r.gonzales]

Preacher:

By the way, I use that authentic website as my source that prevent me from typing or copy and paste etc.

assalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullah.

would that “authentic” site be your own? just curious.

btw, since when is “hi there” a greeting you give to another muslim?

 

[Eetaq]

Preacher:

Hi there

Needless to point out that you have answered the question yourself. “Some” is not all, beside what do you know about the Qur’anic Arabic?

Again, “some” is not all or fluent or well versed etc. By the way, I use that authentic website as my source that prevent me from typing or copy and paste etc.

mmmmmk. Yeah what I meant is that I speak more arabic than most of the people on this forum, and I still dont get it.

 

[Khan]

Thanks for your reply, Gonzales, I have definitely learned much from you! I will be purchasing those two books you reccomended soon.

 

[Preacher]

Eetaq:

mmmmmk. Yeah what I meant is that I speak more arabic than most of the people on this forum, and I still dont get it.

Hi there

That means you don’t know Arabic, case closed.

Regards
Preacher

 

[Preacher]

r.gonzales:

assalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullah.

would that “authentic” site be your own? just curious.

btw, since when is “hi there” a greeting you give to another muslim?

Wa’ Aliekum As’Salam

I recall stating this multiple times that I use that website as my source. Last time I checked, it was not illegal doing that.

I don’t know who is Muslim on the Internet and who isn’t especially in this forum. I also don’t concern myself with that. I simply answer the question/s or refute the attacks. Also if I am not offered Islamic salutation, than I am not obligated to offer one, especially if I dodn’t know every Muslim here beside one or two. With whom I didn’t have any interaction.

Regards
Preacher