What does scripture say about UFOs?

[AnotherFriend33]

The Margaret Murray book, The Witch Cult in Western Europe, transposes nicely to today’s UFO cult belief. Triangular implants are called “faerie bolts,” the little arrowheads thought to be shot by the little people into victims by flicking between the thumb and middle finger. In the Middle Ages these demons in disguise/incubus & succubus didn’t say they were from another planet, they said the Queen of the Faeries sent them.

UFO researcher Jacques Valle got it right. Valle was caricatured in the movie “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” as UFO-friendly, urging parents to load their children onto the mother ship. The real Jacques Valle concluded after years of study that the UFO “aliens” always lie and hurt people. This is, if Father Malachi Martin’s standard of the work of demons being alienating people from God and from each other, demonic oppression. Baptized people are not abducted, excepting one Catholic woman in New York who was abducted in front of her whole family not by force but by first they first had to ask her permission–which she gave, a no-no. So-called “aliens” are in the long tradition all over the world of the jinns/genies and tricksters, pestering spirits. Again, just say, “No!” Maybe even “Hell, no!” Because that’s where these false miracles of the air are from.

That thing that people call “Alien Abduction” is a completely different topic, really.

You imagine they are related, but they aren’t related at all.

You can have a very few people like George Adamski, Billy Meier, or Vitko Novi. Those are “contactees”, they witnessed strange-looking man-made flying machines landing, and humans (like you and me) came out and told them they were Aliens!

Such a stage was done before, and for some reason was abandoned. There are no more real “contactees”.

There are no more UFOs that look like flying saucers either. Isn’t that strange?

Now… the “Abductees” are attacked on their sleep. This does not involve UFOs at all!

People sometimes get hypnotized, and then get “Abducted”, this has ramifications with Shamanism and Mind Control. I described deeper on the thread I quoted before.

Jacques Vallee read a lot about Islam, and based on that proposed something called the Inter-Dimensional Hypothesis, but this is just a trick to make people to think like gnostics. The evil Alien becomes the modern day demiurge, I also explained that in detail on the other thread.

The marks you mentioned are known from Satanic Ritualistic Abuse, I quoted that on the other thread too, is just too long, so I won’t re-type it here.

Most of what is demonic on UFOs/Alien related stuff manifest itself as Sleep Paralysis, and later on as “Alien Abduction”. Either way a blessed medal of St. Benedict will guarantee a safe sleep.

Malachi Martin was a liar, and a traitor. I recommend you not to read him.

 

[johnnyjones]

Certain translations of the bible, the NIV for example translates the word “world” into “universe”. Sometimes, as in EPH 4:10 the words in the Douay are not “world” or “universe”, just “all things”. If we reject the NIV, than we can surely (if Catholic) accept the Douray-Rheims of Genesis 1:1 …heavens and the Earth.

Either way-“heavens”, “universe”, “all things” would not in any way restrict the possibility of other worlds. Of course the bible does not concern itself with whatever life forms may exist elsewhere. It concerns itself with tera firma. The cosmos is most certainly addressed and to skip over the importance of why it is mentioned may not benefit us.

I do agree that many “alien” encounters are of a demonic nature but are a separate issue from actual life forms that may exist. We serve a big God who may have a salvation plan on a planet far, far away. It’s just not for us to know - right now.

 

[AnotherFriend33]

Certain translations of the bible, the NIV for example translates the word “world” into “universe”. Sometimes, as in EPH 4:10 the words in the Douay are not “world” or “universe”, just “all things”. If we reject the NIV, than we can surely (if Catholic) accept the Douray-Rheims of Genesis 1:1 …heavens and the Earth.

Either way-“heavens”, “universe”, “all things” would not in any way restrict the possibility of other worlds. Of course the bible does not concern itself with whatever life forms may exist elsewhere. It concerns itself with tera firma. The cosmos is most certainly addressed and to skip over the importance of why it is mentioned may not benefit us.

I do agree that many “alien” encounters are of a demonic nature but are a separate issue from actual life forms that may exist. We serve a big God who may have a salvation plan on a planet far, far away. It’s just not for us to know - right now.

Antipodes Friend, Antipodes. This possibility was analyzed when Earth was thought to be flat, the opposite side of Earth (Antipodes), and the people who might live there…

There are no E.T.s

There isn’t even the possibility of their existence. And that’s scriptural.

 

[agnes_therese]

Wrong. The Church forbids it.

Where can I find that official pronouncement of the Church forbidding belief in UFOs? I didn’t see anything about Fr. Funes being reprimanded when he spoke of the possibility of life in outer space. Or Monsignor Balducci,either.
And if they’re out there, it logically follows that there’s a possibility they have transportation.

 

[johnnyjones]

Antipodes Friend, Antipodes. This possibility was analyzed when Earth was thought to be flat, the opposite side of Earth (Antipodes), and the people who might live there…

There are no E.T.s

There isn’t even the possibility of their existence. And that’s scriptural.

Yet scripture says," He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth…" Equating the “people who are like grasshoppers” (multitudes) with not knowing what was on the other side of earth with the non possibility life elsewhere in the universe falls flat. I would like to see the "scriptural " proof that we are alone in the universe. Because the bible doesn’t say "alien: or “other worlds” doesn’t mean anything. The stars and heavens are expounded upon often. There are many thought provoking concepts in scripture that are not answered with the clarity that man demands. The trinity is one among others.

 

[AnotherFriend33]

Where can I find that official pronouncement of the Church forbidding belief in UFOs? I didn’t see anything about Fr. Funes being reprimanded when he spoke of the possibility of life in outer space. Or Monsignor Balducci,either.
And if they’re out there, it logically follows that there’s a possibility they have transportation.

Each one of them is wrong: The late Monsignor Corrado Balducci, Fr. Gabriel Funes, and Bro. Guy Consolmagno.

The Antipodes, and the imaginary people who live there were proven to be heretic ideas many centuries ago.

I am sorry to contradict them, but they are wrong.

I am also sorry that the issue has not been made clear by the authorities. That is not my fault. I’m just trying to help by sharing the truth.

Have you read my justification on this thread?:

When demons pretend to be aliens (aka ETs): End Times
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=336602

You can find it all explained on page 6

Saint Augustine of Hippo (November 13, 354 – August 28, 430)
Saint Isidore of Seville (c. 560 – 4 April 636)
Saint Bede (672 / 673 – 26 May 735)
Pope Saint Zachary (Pope from 741 to 752)
Saint Boniface (Latin: Bonifacius; c. 672 – June 5, 754)

All of them rejected the Antipodes’ ideas.

 

[AnotherFriend33]

Yet scripture says," He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth…" Equating the “people who are like grasshoppers” (multitudes) with not knowing what was on the other side of earth with the non possibility life elsewhere in the universe falls flat. I would like to see the "scriptural " proof that we are alone in the universe. Because the bible doesn’t say "alien: or “other worlds” doesn’t mean anything. The stars and heavens are expounded upon often. There are many thought provoking concepts in scripture that are not answered with the clarity that man demands. The trinity is one among others.

Page 6, previously quoted thread. Please read, and then comment.

 

[agnes_therese]

You specifically said “the church has forbidden it.” Now you say “the issue has not been made clear by the authorities.”

Can’t be both. Again, if the Church has specifically forbidden belief in the existence of UFO’s, please provide details so we can see that pronouncement. If there is no such pronouncement, please don’t claim that “the Church has forbidden it.”

You’ve made your personal opinion very clear, but that’s not what I asked for.

Each one of them is wrong: The late Monsignor Corrado Balducci, Fr. Gabriel Funes, and Bro. Guy Consolmagno.

The Antipodes, and the imaginary people who live there were proven to be heretic ideas many centuries ago.

I am sorry to contradict them, but they are wrong.

I am also sorry that the issue has not been made clear by the authorities. That is not my fault. I’m just trying to help by sharing the truth.

Have you read my justification on this thread?:

When demons pretend to be aliens (aka ETs): End Times
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=336602

You can find it all explained on page 6

Saint Augustine of Hippo (November 13, 354 – August 28, 430)
Saint Isidore of Seville (c. 560 – 4 April 636)
Saint Bede (672 / 673 – 26 May 735)
Pope Saint Zachary (Pope from 741 to 752)
Saint Boniface (Latin: Bonifacius; c. 672 – June 5, 754)

All of them rejected the Antipodes’ ideas.

 

[AnotherFriend33]

You specifically said “the church has forbidden it.” Now you say “the issue has not been made clear by the authorities.”

Can’t be both. Again, if the Church has specifically forbidden belief in the existence of UFO’s, please provide details so we can see that pronouncement. If there is no such pronouncement, please don’t claim that “the Church has forbidden it.”

As Antipodes YES, as UFOs, not yet. But Antipodes and UFOs are equivalent today.

That is the clarification missing

 

[agnes_therese]

Then your statement that the Church has forbidden belief in UFO’s was not correct. Thank you for finally admitting that.

As Antipodes YES, as UFOs, not yet. But Antipodes and UFOs are equivalent today.

That is the clarification missing

 

[TevereNauta]

I saw that show. They basically use pictures like the two below to draw the conclusion that angels are really aliens.

http://timhollingworth.webs.com/img/angels.aliens.jpg

The show was actually hilarious to me.

They go on and on with asking stupid questions like, “Could they actually be aliens?” and “What if it were to be true?” and “Could the authors of the Bible have been visited by extra-terrestrials?”

Then they play the sound of a rocket launch and show a picture of an angel and shake the camera as if the angel was blasting off.

I really couldn’t take the show seriously.

-Tim-

So true. To be fair, I think Zachariah Sitchin made some interesting arguments…although they are crackpot they make for interesting conversation. You’re so right that those History Channel alien programs, OTOH, and just bogus. And bogus-ad nauseam at that…recycled footage, questionable hosts, and insane suppositions:

If then aliens came here is rocketships that looked like this…then Ezekiel might have been recording an alien landing…then it is possible that Noah and his family were the product of radical alien genetic engineering…which means the Nephilim were a super alien race that was the predecessor to the Atlantian super-civilization which the secret Nazi scientists were trying to recreate! It always comes down to Goodwin’s Law w/the History Channel, doesn’t it?

And those ‘hosts’, wow, I especially love how it is always the wild-haired fellow and Linda Molton-Howe, they get a lot of play. Oh, and I forgot, regarding those ancient alien shows…how come it always end up with the eccentric non-married researchers talking about “willing, young, beautiful earth-women prepared to comfort the visiting aliens who are lonely, so lonely.”

 

[johnnyjones]

Page 6, previously quoted thread. Please read, and then comment.

I believe that demons can guise themselves as “aliens” or space travelers and have said so on my prior posts. This does not negate the possibility of actual entities created by God existing on another planet of this huge universe. It seems odd to say because our conception of aliens is steeped in the unrealistic world of sci-fi.
We are concerned with the toils of this earth and working out our salvation. Far off creations off God can seem far fetched, but why? Selfishness? It’s just us? That may be we don’t know for sure because there is no clear passage of scripture or piece of tradition that emphatically addresses the topic. The suppositions of men are speculative, and that will remain until it is proven otherwise.

 

[TimothyH]

So true. To be fair, I think Zachariah Sitchin made some interesting arguments…although they are crackpot they make for interesting conversation. You’re so right that those History Channel alien programs, OTOH, and just bogus. And bogus-ad nauseam at that…recycled footage, questionable hosts, and insane suppositions:

If then aliens came here is rocketships that looked like this…then Ezekiel might have been recording an alien landing…then it is possible that Noah and his family were the product of radical alien genetic engineering…which means the Nephilim were a super alien race that was the predecessor to the Atlantian super-civilization which the secret Nazi scientists were trying to recreate! It always comes down to Goodwin’s Law w/the History Channel, doesn’t it?

And those ‘hosts’, wow, I especially love how it is always the wild-haired fellow and Linda Molton-Howe, they get a lot of play. Oh, and I forgot, regarding those ancient alien shows…how come it always end up with the eccentric non-married researchers talking about “willing, young, beautiful earth-women prepared to comfort the visiting aliens who are lonely, so lonely.”

You so nailed it.

It’s always the same “Professor” with an English accent from some university nobody has ever heard of. He invariably wears the courderoy jacket with elbow patches and as you have noticed, is always in need of a haircut. First year adjunct, at best.

My favorite is the “Then this is what we would expect to see…” ploy.

“If aliens did visit the earth, then __________ such as these are what we would expect to see.”

Insert biblical images, pyramids, mysterious disappearances, apparitions, the sinking of the Titanic, People with ESP, bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, or anything else you want into the blank.

-Tim-

 

[JesusBreathinMe]

Holy Spirit…

Nothing.

 

[SWR11]

Alien Intrusion, by Gary Bates, is a good resource. He rebutts most of what is said about UFO’s and the Bible. Blessings

 

[edwest2]

“UFO” is a modern classification for varioius anomalous aerial/atmospheric phenomena that began to be noticed before WW I and were given the name “flying saucers” in 1947. As such we can’t expect to find much objective/scientific distinction for strange sky events before modern times (although, granted, people were capable of making accurate observations before our era, and certainly science’s roots were already beginning to thrive pre-Renaissance).

The point is: the further back we go, the more such reports are likely to be contaminated by lack of knowledge of many things for which we now have understanding and nomenclature.

For example: if an ancient writer recorded the sighting of a “flying, fiery shield”, are we to think that said object was a round, disc-like thing, self-luminous and/or emitting plasma energy or a “jet trail” … and therefore a “real” UFO?
Or are we to think that the ancient writer was being poetic about a bolide, meteor, meteorite, or some other natural thing that he did not comprehend?

Another cause of contamination is the readiness of pre-scientific people to ascribe mythical, magical, and mystical properties to nearly everything they did not recognize or understand. This further opens up ancient anomaly reports to doubt.

Moreover, many ancient religious texts deliberately invoke “wonders in the sky” for the sake of good storytelling and to convey symbolic truths. Again, this further muddies the waters: is the writer objectively reporting a real physical object/event; a particularly useful religious symbol; is the author undergoing an authentic but subjective vision in which he experiences a Jungian archetype; is the author deluded or simply fibbing?

I, for one, prefer to leave the UFO question in the modern era, because the further back in time we go, the muddier the waters become. No biblical-era UFO ever left preserved ground traces or threw back a recorded radar image.

And … I feel that the Bible’s central messages are not dependent on UFOs, ancient or modern. When biblical authors invoke anomalies, they usually do so in order to present a particular spiritual message. The anomalous thing or event becomes what Jung called a “projection carrier” - a vehicle that contains and conveys religious content. The central issue for biblical authors is that their works convey their perspective on God.

Biblical “UFOs”, talking serpents, fiery chariots, etc., function as narrative devices by which the biblical God is identified, revealed, disclosed, and conveyed to the reader. If some “real UFOs” were involved in this process, that’s fine with me, but we have no way of verifying the question. But we can verify the message by believing and living it.

I wouldn’t paint with too broad a brush. And the Bible needs to be examined carefully as well. God did perform actual miracles. To say otherwise, reduces some Biblical events to just fictional accounts that convey a supposedly deeper message. Jesus raised the dead. How? Certainly not by scientific means.

Scripture says nothing about UFOs as understood since World War II. As an amateur UFO historian, I find more evidence for manmade UFOs than any other explanation. There is also a fiction that is posted on this forum on a regular basis: demons need solid, metallic objects to get around in.

Peace,
Ed

 

[perro_sarnoso]

Where can I find that official pronouncement of the Church forbidding belief in UFOs? I didn’t see anything about Fr. Funes being reprimanded when he spoke of the possibility of life in outer space. Or Monsignor Balducci,either.
And if they’re out there, it logically follows that there’s a possibility they have transportation.

Transports from hell.

There are no advanced civilizations or aliens among us any more than the demons loosed upon the earth appearing in our skies.

Neither Funes nor Balducci speak officially for the Vatican or the Pope. There is nothing to be refuted or pronounced by the Vatican or the Pope concerning this moot subject.

UFO encounters and alleged abductions have all the trademarks of demonic oppression and infestation. There isn’t a single report that can not be viewed in this light.

UFO’s; aliens; their philosophy and “technology” are the false miracles and great delusion put together by Lucifer and his demons through the centuries- to culminate in a “great delusion” for the coming of Antichrist.

We are being lulled into a false theory of extraterrestrial alternative. Different from the Salvific action of Jesus Crucified. To the adherents of this doctrine of demons, Jesus is one of the ascended masters…one of many in tune with the "earthly vibrations and part of the galactic brothers.

It goes on and on. Don’t be fooled my brothers and sisters. It is Lucifer in disguise.

 

[agnes_therese]

Transports from hell.

There are no advanced civilizations or aliens among us any more than the demons loosed upon the earth appearing in our skies.

That is your opinion. Others differ.

 

[agnes_therese]

 

[AnotherFriend33]

So true. To be fair, I think Zachariah Sitchin made some interesting arguments…although they are crackpot they make for interesting conversation. You’re so right that those History Channel alien programs, OTOH, and just bogus. And bogus-ad nauseam at that…recycled footage, questionable hosts, and insane suppositions:

If then aliens came here is rocketships that looked like this…then Ezekiel might have been recording an alien landing…then it is possible that Noah and his family were the product of radical alien genetic engineering…which means the Nephilim were a super alien race that was the predecessor to the Atlantian super-civilization which the secret Nazi scientists were trying to recreate! It always comes down to Goodwin’s Law w/the History Channel, doesn’t it?

And those ‘hosts’, wow, I especially love how it is always the wild-haired fellow and Linda Molton-Howe, they get a lot of play. Oh, and I forgot, regarding those ancient alien shows…how come it always end up with the eccentric non-married researchers talking about “willing, young, beautiful earth-women prepared to comfort the visiting aliens who are lonely, so lonely.”

Deep down, what they all want; Sitchin, or The History Channel, is to have people worshiping the non-existing Extraterrestrials as gods.

This is the same kind of garbage New Age Cults sell.

That is the real purpose of the Ancient Astronaut Theory. Is a Religion in disguise.

The Roman Catholic Church, and its Astronomical Observatory made a remarkable job at convincing the whole world, with good Science & Scholastic Thought, that the Planets were nothing else but Big Rocks.

Before that Planets themselves were worshiped as gods too.

Too bad Bro. Consolmagno, Fr. Funes, and the late Monsignor Balducci decided to move backwards and re-animate the outer space again.