What does the Bible say about women pastors? Also your thoughts please

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Lifeisbeautiful3 said:
Yet. I believe our children will see woman Deacons and our grandchildren may well see women as Priests. There is nothing that makes a female unable to perform well in these roles.
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And you will witness a rupture in the Church the likes of which none of us here have ever witnessed! And the SSPX will be considered an excellent option by many…including yours truly!
 
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OP. Here are my thoughts.

Every new generation is going to ask the same questions that previous generations asked, for a simple reason, they don’t know the answer. Looking back on this forum it has already been asked at least twice in the past six months that I can remember.

I would like to place a greater focus on what our sisters (both the contemplative and apostolic) are doing within the Catholic Church when this question comes up. What the women (non married) were doing in the NT book of Acts and the letters are very much what our sisters are doing today.

What a lot of people forget, is that not every man is ordained deacon/priest/bishop in the Catholic Church but very few considering the amount of Catholic men.

Only few select men, all priests, could offer sacrifice among the Hebrews. This is the root of the Church and that is what the Catholic priest is doing during Mass.
 
Well I do think quiet is important when you are in a Catholic church, so no one should really be talking at the time of Mass and yes women should not be giving the homily. That should be left for the priest or deacon
 
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Mark121359 said:
And you will witness a rupture in the Church the likes of which none of us here have ever witnessed!
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That is very true. St John Paul II was perfectly clear that it is not possible to ordain women as priests. By extention it would be difficult to see a way forward for female ordained deacons without some tortured twisting of sacramental theology since there is only one sacrament of Holy Orders.

I think even female deacons will result in massive loss of faithful.
 
It is shameful for anyone to preach out of pride, and does more harm than good. Anyone who stands up and usurps the authority to preach during Mass — who isn’t the deacon, priest or bishop — is acting out of some self-righteousness or pride, which is shameful. For whatever reason, St. Paul was inspired to write that women should not preach in church; any further exegesis is a matter of interpretation.
 
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What does St. Paul mean by speak? One of the meanings of the original Greek word lalein (λαλεῖν) St. Paul uses is gossip. Is it not shameful for a woman to gossip in church? Is that a disagreeable statement?
 
2 Peter 3:16 (Speaking about St Paul)
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

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There are other passages which make it obvious that not only women CAN speak in church but the quote is not to be cherry picked…and yet another example of why we need an authority (which is the Church that Christ Himself started, the Roman Catholic and apostolic Church) to fully understand scripture the way it was written.
 
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Actually, I think the problem is that people think the only preaching that ought to go on is in the context of the Mass. Clergy preach at Mass, but anyone qualified can preach outside of Mass. Laypersons (male or female) can preach outside of Mass. The woman at the well preached the Good News, then people from her town went out and met Our Lord Himself, hosted Him in their town for two days and when it was done they said to her, "We no longer believe because of your word; for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is truly the savior of the world.” (John 4:42)
So–Our Lord did not have any problem with having women preach on His behalf. He simply did not choose any women to be among those in the apostolic succession. Well, there are a few over 400,000 priests…that leaves a great deal of work to do for laypeople, particularly since in the last 50 years the number of priests has remained roughly the same but the number of laypeople has doubled.

It has been made very clear over the entire course of Church history and was reiterated by Pope St. John Paul II that the ordination of women to the ministerial priesthood is impossible.
Can. 521 §1. To become a pastor validly, one must be in the sacred order of the presbyterate.

Ergo, no, women cannot become pastors.
 
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" . . . some . . . women during the time of St. Paul’s message had been known to disrupt services . . . "

I recall hearing or reading the same thing; probably on this very site.
 
I think sometimes people forget Lord Jesus and mary magdalene were very close friends. Jesus loved her very much and two days ago was her festival as a Saint.
 
englands123 said:
Totally. Correct.
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No, delivering a homily at Mass is something that only clergy can do. The kind of preaching that laymen can do can also be done by laywomen.

See the post-synodal Apostolic Exhortation CHRISTIFIDELES LAICI
Christifideles Laici (December 30, 1988) | John Paul II
Certainly the command of Jesus: “Go and preach the Gospel” always maintains its vital value and its ever-pressing obligation. Nevertheless, the present situation, not only of the world but also of many parts of the Church, absolutely demands that the word of Christ receive a more ready and generous obedience. Every disciple is personally called by name; no disciple can withhold making a response: “Woe to me, if I do not preach the gospel” ( 1 Cor 9:16). (Pope St. John Paul II)

See also:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...ocuments/rc_con_interdic_doc_15081997_en.html
especially:
“The hierarchy entrusts the laity with certain charges more closely connected with the duties of pastors: in the teaching of Christian doctrine, for example, in certain liturgical actions in the care of souls”. (Second Vatican Council, Decree Apostolicam actuositatem, n. 24)
 
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I doubt Paul is saying that. But perhaps Corinth had a specific problem with women gossiping, who knows. Men gossiping is shameful as well.
 
I grew up in a church that allowed female priests. Call me dense, but I still can’t figure out why women would want to take holy orders like men. They’d be clericalized and likely lose much of the influence they have in the church. This is exactly what I saw before I was Catholic.
 
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ALL women are members of the royal priesthood. That is solid teaching. Saint Peter wrote of that in his first letter. For that reason, we have such greatly needed ministries as Women of Grace, to name only one.

However, there is a difference between royal and ministerial priesthood. For those who are blaming the Catholic Church once again, an exercise: can you find a female priest or high priest in the Old Testament?

We were made differently for Divine and eternal reason. This is something which God has ordained, not man.
 
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