What does the Book Of Mormon bring . . . .

[zerinus]

Something else to consider…
Classic characteristics of a cult:

1. 
   *]Cultists believe that all Christian churches are wrong and that their cult has the real truth about God.
   *]Cultists attack the deity of Jesus Christ and either lower him to the level of man or raise man to the level of Christ.
   *]Cultists deny that man can be saved by faith in Christ alone. They teach that man can make himself right with God by good works and by obeying the teachings of the cult.
   ]Cultists believe the statements of their leaders who claim to have new interpretations of scripture, or valuable indispensable additions to it.
   ]Many cults claim to believe the Bible, but they distort its teachings to suit their own particular beliefs about man, God, the Holy Spirit, Heaven, Hell, salvation, and other vital doctrine.
   The Mormon church fulfills all 5 of these characteristics of a cult.
   **
   Characteristics of Orthodox Christianity:
   1. 
      *]Acceptance of the Bible as the inspired, infallible, authoritative Word of God.
      *]God became flesh in the physical man Jesus.
      *]Christ atoned for man’s sin through his death on the cross.
      *]Christ arose in bodily form from the grave, conquering death and proving he is God.
      Galatians 1:6-12; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20,21; Revelations 22:18; Deuteronomy 13:1-10
      The Mormon church does not believe any of these 4 characteristics of orthodox Christianity.

1. 1. 
      A classic divershionary tactic. If you can’t beat the guy in debate, change the subject. A cheap shot, my dear lady.
      
      zerinus

 

[zerinus]

They say it…
So why don’t Jews believe in Jesus?The first thing you need to understand is, we do not believe in the Christian “New Testament.” It’s not part of our Bible. Many Christians find this confusing: how can you accept one part of a book without accepting another part of the book. But the Bible is not one book; it’s a collection of books. Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Mormons each have their own idea of what books belong in that collection. You wouldn’t accept another religion’s idea of what belongs in your Bible, so you shouldn’t expect Jews to accept your idea of what belongs in our Bible. jewfaq.org/looking4.htm

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The link goes on to explain more in depth why the Jews do not believe in Jesus…may I suggest that you read it

Another cheap diversionary tactic. I was talking about the Jews who wrote the Bible, not the Jews who live today.

zeromis

 

[Karin]

Another cheap diversionary tactic. I was talking about the Jews who wrote the Bible, not the Jews who live today.

zeromis

The jews that wrote the OT had the religion of Judiasm that is the same religion that is practiced today by them…the Jews who practice Judiasm today same as when the OT was written do not nor have they ever believed in Jesus .

 

[zerinus]

The jews that wrote the OT are the same ones that practice today my dear…

That is the weirdest thing I ever heard. I didn’t know the Jews lived that long.

And why didn’t you answer my question: “If the Jews who wrote the OT didn’t believe in Jesus, how come they made so many prophecies about Him?”

zerinus

 

[Karin]

*It is important to understand that Jesus is simply not a part of Judaism. He is irrelevant to our religion. To ask a Jew, “why don’t you believe in Jesus?” is like asking a Christian, “why don’t you believe in Zeus?” *

*The Jews of Rome weren’t looking for an incarnated god who would die and absolve them of their sins, because the idea of sin and its punishment and concern about salvation aren’t at the heart of Judaism, the way they are in Christianity. From what three of the Christian gospels say, it appears that Jesus’s own followers weren’t expecting a suffering, self-sacrificing messiah. See, for example, Matthew 16: Jesus’s followers knew that he was the messiah (v. 16), but Jesus had to teach them that he was going to suffer and die (v. 21), and even after he said this, one of his most loyal followers couldn’t believe it (v. 22). It sounds to me like Jesus’s closest followers were not aware of any teaching about the messiah suffering and dying, and were not ready to believe it. The same pattern appears in Mark 8 (v. 28: they know he is messiah; v. 30: he teaches about suffering; v. 31: Peter doesn’t believe it), and similarly in Luke 9 (v. 20: they know; v. 22: he teaches; the denial is not there); John never talks about this incident. *

*Jews don’t believe that Jesus is the messiah because, quite simply, he never did any of the things that we expect the messiah to do, the things that the prophets proclaimed the messiah would do. See Moshiach: The Messiah. Christianity gets around this by saying that Jesus will come back to do all of those things. From a Jewish perspective, however, the messiah is identified by his tangible acts, and promises to finish the job in the future aren’t going to convince us. *
jewfaq.org/looking4.htm

 

[Karin]

And why didn’t you answer my question: “If the Jews who wrote the OT didn’t believe in Jesus, how come they made so many prophecies about Him?”

zerinus

I did anwser your question…better than you answer Mark A.'s questions…
I suggest that you read what is provided

 

[zerinus]

It is important to understand that Jesus is simply not a part of Judaism. He is irrelevant to our religion. To ask a Jew, “why don’t you believe in Jesus?” is like asking a Christian, “why don’t you believe in Zeus?”

*The Jews of Rome weren’t looking for an incarnated god who would die and absolve them of their sins, because the idea of sin and its punishment and concern about salvation aren’t at the heart of Judaism, the way they are in Christianity. From what three of the Christian gospels say, it appears that Jesus’s own followers weren’t expecting a suffering, self-sacrificing messiah. See, for example, Matthew 16: Jesus’s followers knew that he was the messiah (v. 16), but Jesus had to teach them that he was going to suffer and die (v. 21), and even after he said this, one of his most loyal followers couldn’t believe it (v. 22). It sounds to me like Jesus’s closest followers were not aware of any teaching about the messiah suffering and dying, and were not ready to believe it. The same pattern appears in Mark 8 (v. 28: they know he is messiah; v. 30: he teaches about suffering; v. 31: Peter doesn’t believe it), and similarly in Luke 9 (v. 20: they know; v. 22: he teaches; the denial is not there); John never talks about this incident. *

*Jews don’t believe that Jesus is the messiah because, quite simply, he never did any of the things that we expect the messiah to do, the things that the prophets proclaimed the messiah would do. See Moshiach: The Messiah. Christianity gets around this by saying that Jesus will come back to do all of those things. From a Jewish perspective, however, the messiah is identified by his tangible acts, and promises to finish the job in the future aren’t going to convince us. *
jewfaq.org/looking4.htm

I don’t know why you are telling me all this. You must be going out of your mind.

zerinus

 

[Karin]

That is the weirdest thing I ever heard. I didn’t know the Jews lived that long.

zerinus

Judiasm has survived since Jesus’s time…it is practiced by Jews today all over the world…did you not know that Judiasm is a relgion and its followers are called Jews?

 

[zerinus]

I did anwser your question…better than you answer Mark A.'s questions…
I suggest that you read what is provided

You are talking nonsnse. You don’t know what you are talking about.

zerinus

 

[Karin]

I don’t know why you are telling me all this. You must be going out of your mind.

zerinus

you stated that Jews believe in Jesus…I am stating these things to prove that you are WRONG…Jews do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

You must be loosing your mind…you did ask a question did you not…

zerinus:

And why didn’t you answer my question: "If the Jews who wrote the OT didn’t believe in Jesus, how come they made so many prophecies about Him?"

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

Judiasm has survived since Jesus’s time…it is practiced by Jews today all over the world…did you not know that Judiasm is a relgion and its followers are called Jews?

Did you not know that the OT prophets prophesied of Jesus, and their perophecies are referred to in the NT? So you mean to say that they didn’t know what they were prophesying about?

zerinus

 

[Karin]

You are talking nonsnse. You don’t know what you are talking about.

zerinus

LOL!!!
Upset that you where proven wrong? Lets not be insulting “zerinus” just becuase you dont understand what is being presented to you!

 

[zerinus]

you stated that Jews believe in Jesus…I am stating these things to prove that you are WRONG…Jews do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

You must be loosing your mind…you did ask a question did you not…

I said that the Jews who wrote the OT believe in Jesus, not the Jews who live today, or even all the Jews who lived in the time of Jesus. Can’t you tell the difference between the two?

zerinus

 

[Karin]

Did you not know that the OT prophets prophesied of Jesus, and their perophecies are referred to in the NT? So you mean to say that they didn’t know what they were prophesying about?

zerinus

Zerinus-
Are you really that “dumb” that you can not comprehend what is being shown to you?

This page explains how Jews/Judiasm view Jesus and what they expect in the Messiah (from a Jewish point of view) …
jewfaq.org/looking4.htm
I have copied excerpts from the site that you seem not to be able to understand…perhaps if you read the whole link you can understand what a Jew thinks about this subject!

 

[zerinus]

Zerinus-
Are you really that “dumb” that you can not comprehend what is being shown to you?

This page explains how Jews/Judiasm view Jesus and what they expect in the Messiah (from a Jewish point of view) …
jewfaq.org/looking4.htm
I have copied excerpts from the site that you seem not to be able to understand…perhaps if you read the whole link you can understand what a Jew thinks about this subject!

You have shown me nothing except a nonsensical response to a very clear question.

zerinus

 

[Karin]

I said that the Jews who wrote the OT believe in Jesus, not the Jews who live today, or even all the Jews who lived in the time of Jesus. Can’t you tell the difference between the two?

zerinus

And that is incorrect
I have shown you that your train of thought is incorrect.
Those who belive in Jesus are Christians not Jewish.
***CHRISTIAN:following the teachings or manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ ***
JUDIASM: Jews collectively who practice a religion based on the Torah and the Talmud.

 

[zerinus]

And that is incorrect
I have shown you that your train of thought is incorrect.
Those who belive in Jesus are Christians not Jewish.
***CHRISTIAN:following the teachings or manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ ***
JUDIASM: Jews collectively who practice a religion based on the Torah and the Talmud.

In that case then the Jews who wrote the OT were Christians not Jews, because they believed in Jesus. How could they have prophesied about Him if they did not believe in Him? Did they not know what they were prophesying about?

zerinus

 

[Karin]

You have shown me nothing except a nonsensical response to a very clear question.

zerinus

Than you really can not read and comprhend what is written.
JEWS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE MESSIAH…
1.Jews do not believe in the Christian NT.
2.The NT is not part of their “Bible”
3.The Jews of Rome weren’t looking for an incarnated god who would die and absolve them of their sins, because the idea of sin and its punishment and concern about salvation aren’t at the heart of Judaism, the way they are in Christianity
*4.Jews don’t believe that Jesus is the messiah because, quite simply, he never did any of the things that we expect the messiah to do, the things that the prophets proclaimed the messiah would do. See *Moshiach: The Messiah
5.*From a Jewish perspective, however, the messiah is identified by his tangible acts, and promises to finish the job in the future aren’t going to convince us. *
*6.Does the Talmud say anything about Jesus? That is open to debate. *
Certainly, there is not now nor was there ever anything in the Talmud referring specifically to a supposed messiah who was crucified by the Romans in or around the year 30 C.E. The Jewish historian Josephus mentions such a person, but Josephus’s works are not part of the Talmud. In fact, Josephus is viewed with some degree of disdain by Jewish scholars, because he was considered to be a traitor: during a war with the Romans, he surrendered and became a favorite of the Roman

• oppressors. *

Once again may I suggest to you the following JEWISH website that explains very simply and clearly their (JEWISH) point of view regarding JESUS…
jewfaq.org/looking4.htm

 

[zerinus]

Than you really can not read and comprhend what is written.
JEWS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE MESSIAH…
1.Jews do not believe in the Christian NT.
2.The NT is not part of their “Bible”
3.The Jews of Rome weren’t looking for an incarnated god who would die and absolve them of their sins, because the idea of sin and its punishment and concern about salvation aren’t at the heart of Judaism, the way they are in Christianity
*4.Jews don’t believe that Jesus is the messiah because, quite simply, he never did any of the things that we expect the messiah to do, the things that the prophets proclaimed the messiah would do. See *Moshiach: The Messiah
5.*From a Jewish perspective, however, the messiah is identified by his tangible acts, and promises to finish the job in the future aren’t going to convince us. *
*6.Does the Talmud say anything about Jesus? That is open to debate. *
Certainly, there is not now nor was there ever anything in the Talmud referring specifically to a supposed messiah who was crucified by the Romans in or around the year 30 C.E. The Jewish historian Josephus mentions such a person, but Josephus’s works are not part of the Talmud. In fact, Josephus is viewed with some degree of disdain by Jewish scholars, because he was considered to be a traitor: during a war with the Romans, he surrendered and became a favorite of the Roman

• oppressors. *

Once again may I suggest to you the following JEWISH website that explains very simply and clearly their (JEWISH) point of view regarding JESUS…
jewfaq.org/looking4.htm

You are talking to the wall, not to me.

zerinus

 

[Karin]

In that case then the Jews who wrote the OT were Christians not Jews, because they believed in Jesus. How could they have prophesied about Him if they did not believe in Him? Did they not know what they were prophesying about?

zerinus

You are thick aren’t you??!!
Once again go and read (as you suggested to someone else) the link I gave you several times…here it is again.
jewfaq.org/looking4.htm