What does this forum think? Catholic event participation with Masons

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What do you folks think of this scenario?

Here’s our Catholic Church sponsored group (I don’t care to reveal the name) who is providing food during a seasonal event to be attended by the public. We will be doing some fundraising for ourselves. At this event, there will be 8 or 9 other groups providing different public types of activities under separate tents/booths. It’s like an outdoor festival. One of these 8-9 booths has the Freemasons in charge of providing a “public service”. So they’re more or less there as a “peer” for us Catholics in this configuration.

Although we had a lot to do with initiating and organizing this thing, another large company got involved, came along and took it over. And, by the way, not in a conspiritorial way. They are the entity most responsible for setting up the fair and not us. I wouldn’t have expected this large company to ask questions about the propriety and thus they are responsible for bringing in the Masons as well as us and everyone else with a booth. A few of us see a bit of conflict here. I think we got caught in a surprise here - some of the “surprise” might be because of the general lack of knowledge about freemasonry vs Catholic teachings. Anyway…

Some might say it’s totally harmless. Some say don’t make a big deal or call attention to it - just let it be - the public will not link the two. Some might say it puts us in the same boat with these folks and the public’s perception is going to be impacted. Some might say it’s too close for comfort to be associated with these kinds of groups.

What say you, group?
 
Hoibie said:
What do you folks think of this scenario?

Here’s our Catholic Church sponsored group (I don’t care to reveal the name) who is providing food during a seasonal event to be attended by the public. We will be doing some fundraising for ourselves. At this event, there will be 8 or 9 other groups providing different public types of activities under separate tents/booths. It’s like an outdoor festival. One of these 8-9 booths has the Freemasons in charge of providing a “public service”. So they’re more or less there as a “peer” for us Catholics in this configuration.

Although we had a lot to do with initiating and organizing this thing, another large company got involved, came along and took it over. And, by the way, not in a conspiritorial way. They are the entity most responsible for setting up the fair and not us. I wouldn’t have expected this large company to ask questions about the propriety and thus they are responsible for bringing in the Masons as well as us and everyone else with a booth. A few of us see a bit of conflict here. I think we got caught in a surprise here - some of the “surprise” might be because of the general lack of knowledge about freemasonry vs Catholic teachings. Anyway…

Some might say it’s totally harmless. Some say don’t make a big deal or call attention to it - just let it be - the public will not link the two. Some might say it puts us in the same boat with these folks and the public’s perception is going to be impacted. Some might say it’s too close for comfort to be associated with these kinds of groups.

What say you, group?
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I would not have anything to do with the free Masons There was a time the Catholic church was accused of being free masons and I thought that once also, I would be realy careful as to who you join up with and how it will reflect on the church. Love of Christ Nancy
 
The Lying and Deception begins with the “G”

Ex-33 degree Mason Jim Shaw says; “The Blue Lodge Mason is taught that the “G” in the basic Masonic symbol represents God. Later on, he is told that it represents “deity”. Later still, he is told that it represents “geometry”. In reality, this letter represents the “generative principle,” the Sun-god and, thus, the worshipped phallus, the male “generative principle…” In its position (along with the square and compass) on the east wall over the chair (throne) of the Worshipful Master, it is the representation of the Sun, thus of the Sun-god, Osiris. Its earthly meaning, then, is of the sacred phallus; its cosmic meaning is of the Sun, worshipped since antiquity by pagans while facing the East. Reference, book: The Deadly Deception”, page 144

Freemasonry is one of many apostate religions dedicated to the destruction of traditional Judaism and Christianity. Those who aspire to grow in their closeness to Jesus Christ, and to increase their discernment in these days, would do well to stay very clear of Freemasonry. Are your loyalties with Jesus Christ or are they with the lodge? Both are diametrically opposed to one another as you will see below.

Masons have mixed idolatry, paganism, the occult, Kabala, fertility cults, Satanism, spiritualism, demonology, and put it into a blender and come up with the Masonic religion. It is not of God! It is a false religion; the Harlot of Babylon. Masons say they offer new candidates “the light”. The light they are actually giving is: Lucifer. The Christian Bible says that Satan walks to and fro on this earth masquerading as an “angel of light”, that many might be deceived.

As occultist Benjamin Creme states, “in Freemasonry is embedded the core or the secret heart of the occult mysteries, wrapped up on number, metaphor, and symbol”…

Unknown to most Masons, there is an occult side to Masonry. It is at levels in Masonry that most Masons never get to.
 
It would depend upon more than the information provided.
My KofC Council in a small town partners with local masons, various churches, and business/service clubs, to provide a number of community services, even a community fiesta. Sometimes this includes joint fundraising dinners and food drives.
 
mystified said:
It would depend upon more than the information provided.
My KofC Council in a small town partners with local masons, various churches, and business/service clubs, to provide a number of community services, even a community fiesta. Sometimes this includes joint fundraising dinners and food drives.
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It has been proven for years that they are an occult society and stem from evil I wonder if they or someone from them started your gruop to? They practally run the USA and will proberly be responsable for their demise some day.
 
I think good Catholics can find better things to do with their time than worry about the Freemasons. The OVERWHELMING majority of Freemasons are God fearing wonderful old men who want to do their best to make the world a little bit better. If you quizzed them, they wouldn’t be anti-catholic, anti-christian, part of the new world order, etc.
 
Rascalking said:
I think good Catholics can find better things to do with their time than worry about the Freemasons. The OVERWHELMING majority of Freemasons are God fearing wonderful old men who want to do their best to make the world a little bit better. If you quizzed them, they wouldn’t be anti-catholic, anti-christian, part of the new world order, etc.
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Sorry God tells us to examine our faith test the spirit, not everything that looks good means it is. Alot of people out there do good deeds but they will not enter into Gods rest.
 
nancy_dalrymple said:
Sorry God tells us to examine our faith test the spirit, not everything that looks good means it is. Alot of people out there do good deeds but they will not enter into Gods rest.
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Yes, I agree with every word you just said. Yes, yes, yes.

But I can only see someones actions, not motives. Masons and Shriners do amazing good in this world. I let God deal with them in the next.
 
Rascalking said:
Yes, I agree with every word you just said. Yes, yes, yes.

But I can only see someones actions, not motives. Masons and Shriners do amazing good in this world. I let God deal with them in the next.
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Dont you want to know if someone is going to shoot you or would you wait until you bite the bullet?Do a study on Masons and find out about where they come from and their roots also My uncle was a grand poober of the Shriners and he beat my aunt until the cows came home and he beat on his kids. But he was wonderful to those burn kids and did parades ETC put on functions yes I can just see him now IN hell for all the great things everyone thought he did. I noticed something on this forum. There are more woman here and they are the ones that come on strong, the other thing i have noticed is that Catholic’s realy don’t agree with each other they realy are not one mind are they? Something to think about. Realy something to think about.
 
I’d say it depends entirely on the nature of the event, who is doing the fund-raising and what the money will be used for. If this is a civic event, say a 4th of July celebration in your town, and all kinds of organizations will have a booth, and raise money for their own causes, that is fine, it does not matter who else is there with you, as long as they are not overtly promoting something immoral or indecent. for instance if another group had a strip show as their event, I would allow my church group to participate. But if they are just selling lemonade, food, pony rides etc. no problem.

If the fundraising is for something objectionable–a health care organization that performs abortions for instance–then no, I would not allow my Catholic group to contribute even if some of the funds go to neutral or worthy purposes.

Your diocese probably has guidelines in place on fundraising in general, and on what activities and events Catholic groups and parishes, Kof C, Catholic youth groups are allowed to take part in.

the other factor as I say is what do the “booths” consist of? If it is different churches proselytizing? Is it neutral activities, games? You don’t know the moral state or beliefs of any of the other people working at the festival so it does not make sense to object to the Masons selling hot dogs, if you are not going to protest the Hare Krishnas selling something vegetarian, or the Baptists selling pies.
 
Here is what Pope Leo XIII has to say in his Encyclical:
“We wish it to be your rule first of all to tear away the mask from Freemasonry, and to let it be seen as it really is; and by sermons and pastoral letters to instruct the people as to the artifices used by societies of this kind in seducing men and enticing them into their ranks, and as to the depravity of their opinions and the wickedness of their acts. As Our predecessors have many times repeated, let no man think that he may for any reason whatsoever join the masonic sect, if he values his Catholic name and his eternal salvation as he ought to value them. Let no one be deceived by a pretense of honesty. It may seem to some that Freemasons demand nothing that is openly contrary to religion and morality; but, as the whole principle and object of the sect lies in what is vicious and criminal, to join with these men or in any way to help them cannot be lawful.”
 
Sarah44 said:
Here is a link to the Vatican; this Encyclical by Pope Leo XIII is one of many strongly condemming Freemasonry. Automatic excommunication for joining. Strong cautions about having anything to do with them.Only the extremely naive would ignore papal warning after warning and listen instead to what the news media tell us about those “nice, wonderful” Freemasons.
Sarah
vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus_en.html
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Sarah44, HI! keep posting this maybe it will sink after a while. You Go Girl!👍 Love of Christ Nancy
 
nancy_dalrymple said:
Dont you want to know if someone is going to shoot you or would you wait until you bite the bullet?Do a study on Masons and find out about where they come from and their roots also My uncle was a grand poober of the Shriners and he beat my aunt until the cows came home and he beat on his kids. But he was wonderful to those burn kids and did parades ETC put on functions yes I can just see him now IN hell for all the great things everyone thought he did. I noticed something on this forum. There are more woman here and they are the ones that come on strong, the other thing i have noticed is that Catholic’s realy don’t agree with each other they realy are not one mind are they? Something to think about. Realy something to think about.
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I’m sorry your uncle was a bad guy, I really am. But that doesn’t mean all the masons and shriners are bad people.

As for him being in hell, I don’t know if he is. I’ve never been, and hopefully never will be. I don’t claim to know where anyone spends eternity. I might have an idea where someone ends up, and even though I’m a fairly confident guy, I’m not going to make bets about it.
 
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Masons & Shriners Exposed as Luciferians. Go and read, see for youe self.God is being used and even the POPE knows that! You are Loved Nancy:(
 
nancy_dalrymple said:
The Lying and Deception begins with the “G”

Ex-33 degree Mason Jim Shaw says; “The Blue Lodge Mason is taught that the “G” in the basic Masonic symbol represents God. Later on, he is told that it represents “deity”. Later still, he is told that it represents “geometry”. In reality, this letter represents the “generative principle,” the Sun-god and, thus, the worshipped phallus, the male “generative principle…” In its position (along with the square and compass) on the east wall over the chair (throne) of the Worshipful Master, it is the representation of the Sun, thus of the Sun-god, Osiris. Its earthly meaning, then, is of the sacred phallus; its cosmic meaning is of the Sun, worshipped since antiquity by pagans while facing the East. Reference, book: The Deadly Deception”, page 144
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Where is your factual unbiased proof of these claims and I hope you know most of the anti Masonic books and information on the web are intentionally biased and written by former masons with an ax to grind who may have been expelled from masonic groups due to some reason which they wish to hide.
A lot like the information posted about protestants
on this site
 
Been Scammed by a Shriner?

Shriners are well known for their “Shriner Circus” where they claim to raise money for their burn hospitals. In June, 1986, a daily newspaper in Florida, the Orlando Sentinel reported that less than 2% of the circus money raised actually went to the hospitals and that, by 1982, the Shriners had become the richest charity in America, amassing $1.2 billion in assets. Of the $17.5 million raised in 1984, $17.3 million went into their own pockets while only $182,051 went to support the hospitals. The Shriner hospitals are a “front” appealing to compassionate hearts in order to accumulate great wealth for the Shriners themselves! Full Article: Orlando Sentinel
  • As of 9-30-04, Forbes reports that the Shriners had assets of $8.62 billion. Of the $948 mil. raised, the Shriners retained $412 mil with only a slight more than half, $505 mil. going to charitable services! Top Shriner, Ralph Semb, was paid $406,659 in salaries.
  • As of 12-31-06, Forbes magazine reports the Shriners have amassed a $9.54 billion empire retaining $636 million of the money raised that same year.
Top Shriner, James Full, collected a healthy $1,207,369 in salaries this same year.

Exposing Masons to the Public

Brian O’Connell; Fishing Masons & Shriners out of the Demonic Lodge!
The KKK was formed by The Masons and Elbert Pike the Luciferian. To this day Blacks are not allowed in White Lodges. If you are a Born- Again Christian, and have some Pictures of You or Your Group Mason Busting, Send them to us and we may Publish them.

( Ashland City police chief questions Michael. They did NOT want us in their city exposing the Masonic cult! )

One Women in a small Town in Ohio Told Brian & I, “My Prayer Group and I have been Praying for One Year, for you to be standing here in this very spot, doing exactly what you are doing. We have been asking The LORD to please send someone to Our City to Expose The Masons and Shriners, and look at you hear in the middle of Our City with Those Signs doing just exactly that.”

This is a Master Masons Addition of “The Holy Bible” I was given it by a Mason I lead out of the Lodge. The First 94 Pages of it are Quotes from “Albert Pike”. All Masons are encouraged to read the writings of Albert Pike such as his book: “Morals and Dogma.” Albert Pike was a Luciferian, and Stated: “Lucifer is the True god of Good and Light, and unfortunately Adoni the GOD of the Bible is also God, the God of darkness and Evil”
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The first 94 pages of this Bible are quotes from a Luciferian Satanist who Mocked the True GOD of the BIBLE and is Currently Burning in Hell.
Albert Pike Confessed to Being a Luciferian Satanist, and He Blasphemed Adonay, The TRUE Living GOD of The Bible;

“Yes, Lucifer Is GOD, and Unfortunately Adonay is also god… Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the GOD OF DARKNESS AND EVIL” (de Larive, A.C., La Femme et l’enfant dans la Franc, Maconnerei Universelle, Paris, 1889, p. 588)

What Does God say about: "Pike calling The True and LIVING God of the Bible “EVIL”, and Satan: “good” “Woe to those who call Evil Good, and Good Evil, who put darkness for light, and light for darkness” (Isaiah 5:20)
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   Bottem Line.   Denouce the Lodge, All the Cursed Vows, and the Blood Oath Covenant you made with your Fellow Masons to: Slit your Throat, Tear out your Tounge, and Rip open Bows... Now Call upon the Name of  The LORD JESUS CHRIST to set You Free, to Break the Masonic Demonic Curse off of You, Your Wife, & Childrens Lives,  Surrender to Jesus Christ and Ask Him to forgive you and to Come Back into Your Heart.
Now Turn in Your Resignation, and Quit Paying Your Dues!

“He that Biddeth him God Speed is Partaker of His Evil Deeds.” (2 John 1:11)

“Ye cannot drink the Cup of The LORD, and the Cup of Devils: Ye cannot be partakers of the LORD’S Table, and of the Table of Devils!” (1st Corinthians 10:21)

Manly P. Hall Famous Masonic Scholar Confessed to being a Luciferian Satanis:

A Brief Expose of the First Masonic Ritual;

At the first level: Level of the “Enter Apprentice” Every Mason has to Bow on his knees, with a Blindfold over his Head. A Hangman’s Noose around his Neck, kneeling before a Cancer Stricken old man he is Blasphemously calling: “Worshipful Master”. While the Worshipful Master presses a Sword to the initiates left Breast, as to threaten to run it through his heart. He then must place his thumb to his throat and Swear a Vow Binding himself by a Blood Oath Curse, to Slice Open His Throat, Gouge out His Tongue…

Actual Words:

“…by binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the seas…”

What would you think about a Club that Threatened to Kill Your Son, and forced your Son to Vow to Commit Suicide if he revealed any of their Secrets?

Every Mason that has made that Vow has Placed a SATANIC CURSE upon Himself, His Wife, His Children and His Grandchildren.

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Amicus_Curae said:
Where is your factual unbiased proof of these claims and I hope you know most of the anti Masonic books and information on the web are intentionally biased and written by former masons with an ax to grind who may have been expelled from masonic groups due to some reason which they wish to hide.
A lot like the information posted about protestants
on this site
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:DI do know something Satan has alot of workers johny on the spot as soon as he thinks he might loose in some way, you watch youe p’s and q’s but you dont safe guard your soul. I cannot believe some of you people. I realy have my doubts the more I talk to you.
 
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