What does this forum think? Catholic event participation with Masons

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The Bench will consider this evidence and will require further sworn witnesses and evidence before passing judgement This court stands at recess until Monday at 2 PM
 
Amicus_Curae said:
nancy dalrymple;5352301:
The Lying and Deception begins with the “G”

Ex-33 degree Mason Jim Shaw says; “The Blue Lodge Mason is taught that the “G” in the basic Masonic symbol represents God. Later on, he is told that it represents “deity”. Later still, he is told that it represents “geometry”. In reality, this letter represents the “generative principle,” the Sun-god and, thus, the worshipped phallus, the male “generative principle…” In its position (along with the square and compass) on the east wall over the chair (throne) of the Worshipful Master, it is the representation of the Sun, thus of the Sun-god, Osiris. Its earthly meaning, then, is of the sacred phallus; its cosmic meaning is of the Sun, worshipped since antiquity by pagans while facing the East. Reference, book: The Deadly Deception”, page 144

Where is your factual unbiased proof of these claims and I hope you know most of the anti Masonic books and information on the web are intentionally biased and written by former masons with an ax to grind who may have been expelled from masonic groups due to some reason which they wish to hide.
A lot like the information posted about protestants
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Wow you will even defend a protestant to prove your point Figures. But when they are here trying to defend themselfs where are YOU?I find more problems with the Catholics not getting along then any religion, you guy’s could sour a grape.
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Amicus_Curae said:
The Bench will consider this evidence and will require further sworn witnesses and evidence before passing judgement This court stands at recess until Monday at 2 PM
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Be there with bells!:DSomeone loves you? Till Monday!
 
is there a reason this discussion is not on the non-Catholic religions forum, isnt that where we repeat every nasty charge, proven or not, every allegation, every slander, every slur we have ever heard or read about another denomination, with or without source or attribution?

if this is the way we evangelize I am not surprised we don’t seem to be making much headway with the Masons

I don’t suppose an answer to my question, what is the nature of the event in OP’s scenario, is forthcoming, because we are having far to much fun slinging mud
 
puzzleannie said:
is there a reason this discussion is not on the non-Catholic religions forum, isnt that where we repeat every nasty charge, proven or not, every allegation, every slander, every slur we have ever heard or read about another denomination, with or without source or attribution?

if this is the way we evangelize I am not surprised we don’t seem to be making much headway with the Masons

I don’t suppose an answer to my question, what is the nature of the event in OP’s scenario, is forthcoming, because we are having far to much fun slinging mud
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For your information they are no denomination, anyone from any denomination can go there they just can’t practice what they believe. If you want to have tea with satan then go, go do it. no one will stop you because you have a free will. There is no nasty charge here there however is truth. Why would you go against your POPE? I do not understand Are some of you stick catholic’s. Why are you not of the same mind as you claim? This is a very confusing religion, and you know what they say about confusion dont you? What is it you are trying to do with the Masons? join them? merge? What do you know that I dont? And why don’t i know? Where are you getting your information? Please maybe there is something i should be learning, since i’m ignorant, spell bad, and my grammer stinks. lay it on me. Nancy
 
Nancy D.

When discussing these hot-button issues, it is best if we stick with the Catholic teaching on the topic. Posting or copy/paste from non-catholic sources does nothing to help the conversation. You have links to the Vatican on this topic, and have had links to the Catechism pasted on many many other threads, best to stick with those readings.

The Church is clear, a Catholic cannot be a member of the Masons.

A Catholic is nor banned from social interaction with people who are members of the Masons. We are called to be a light to the world and not to hide that light. We cannot be light if we fail to act toward all people with love.
 
kage_ar said:
Nancy D.

When discussing these hot-button issues, it is best if we stick with the Catholic teaching on the topic. Posting or copy/paste from non-catholic sources does nothing to help the conversation. You have links to the Vatican on this topic, and have had links to the Catechism pasted on many many other threads, best to stick with those readings.

The Church is clear, a Catholic cannot be a member of the Masons.

A Catholic is nor banned from social interaction with people who are members of the Masons. We are called to be a light to the world and not to hide that light. We cannot be light if we fail to act toward all people with love.
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Thank You for your correction, but it seems to me, i have been put down enough from you people who can put out a light in a dark place. If I cannot find a link that is not catholic that is your problem, and the churches for not having an answer to go to. you remind me of the calvery, to late.:rolleyes:
 
OK - context: We (the Catholics) are the only group at this festival doing fundraising. We’re cooking and selling BBQ. There are no other religious orgs attending. No one else including our Mason counterparts, is raising any funds, for charitable or non-charitable reasons. We’re raising money to support our programs - programs that help members of the public. So that’s it.

We’ll have a banner up and so will they. I do just question this from the angle that now, the somewhat underinformed public, sees this and says, “Well, these two must be in coordination with one another”. I just have some problems with the mere association that comes from being “peer” with them, of being on the same ground with them, of announcing this festival (and in particular their participation) in our Sunday bulletin, of having our Confirmation students work in the Mason’s “public service” booth (which has just been cancelled). That’s what I have a beef with.

Perhaps next time we’ll be more awake alert and attentive and ask a few more questions before it gets out of hand.

I must say that this question has raised my consciousness a bit by reading John Salza’s book and watching the presentation he did on EWTN.
 
A Page about Freemasonry: The Mason’s Lady
… The Mason’s Lady. A man in your family is now a member of the Masonic Fraternity. … a…
web.mit.edu/dryfoo/www/Masonry/Essays/ml.html

Go and read about this fraternity. Nancy
 
Hoibie said:
What do you folks think of this scenario?

Here’s our Catholic Church sponsored group (I don’t care to reveal the name) who is providing food during a seasonal event to be attended by the public. We will be doing some fundraising for ourselves. At this event, there will be 8 or 9 other groups providing different public types of activities under separate tents/booths. It’s like an outdoor festival. One of these 8-9 booths has the Freemasons in charge of providing a “public service”. So they’re more or less there as a “peer” for us Catholics in this configuration.

Although we had a lot to do with initiating and organizing this thing, another large company got involved, came along and took it over. And, by the way, not in a conspiritorial way. They are the entity most responsible for setting up the fair and not us. I wouldn’t have expected this large company to ask questions about the propriety and thus they are responsible for bringing in the Masons as well as us and everyone else with a booth. A few of us see a bit of conflict here. I think we got caught in a surprise here - some of the “surprise” might be because of the general lack of knowledge about freemasonry vs Catholic teachings. Anyway…

Some might say it’s totally harmless. Some say don’t make a big deal or call attention to it - just let it be - the public will not link the two. Some might say it puts us in the same boat with these folks and the public’s perception is going to be impacted. Some might say it’s too close for comfort to be associated with these kinds of groups.

What say you, group?
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*** NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.***

Freemasonry is entirely opposed to Catholicism. They will stop at nothing from destroying Mother Church.

Albert Pike 33rd Degree Mason:
“We must maintain our [masonic] religion in the luciferian [satanic] tradition.”

God forbid any Catholic should have any contact with this group of people.
 
I recently was asked and accepted a speaking engagement to the local Masonic lodge members…I did a whole lot of research and when the big day came I prayed that I would be fair and also spread a tiny bit of angel dust around! I spoke for 30 min.and received a standing ovation…they knew me as an orthodox Catholic and I complimented certain members of the order that contributed much good down thru the centuries to America and thus to the world…I leave it up to the reader if the good they did was because of or inspite of being a member of this organization. I suspect anything that is smeared so much by the ruling class on the history channel etc…is this to keep our eyes off of what is really happening…much like a magician.who with one very fast constantly moving hand attracts our attention while the other hand is in our pockets taking our wallet…re: taxes or in our brains…taking our freedoms.ie hate crimes bill etc…one never has to fear staning in line with other people if one is sure of ones beliefs…good question…
 
Nino, did you read the rest of the posts here? can you see that being with them is leaving the door open for the devil to enter in? When satan does things he alway’s wroks slowly and gradually so you wont notice what he is doing. he makes things look good so you will be charmed by his cleverness. This organization has been around for centrys and it stems from ths devil the worship of gods and other dieties. the symbols are of ancient evil civilizations that God destroyed but some resumed the practice, and it exists today.Masonary is a secret organization and a devil worshiping group. Most people dont know that until they reach almost the top level. You should realy check into this, and know what you are being fed. Love of Christ Nancy
 
Hello everyone, I think the devils best trick is that lots of good old men want to help others, and dont understand what they are joining. Its like becomming mormon, they dont tell you about Kolob, until you have been properly inducted into the cult. William Whalen has written excellent books on both. I believe the lodge is evil… His will be done Garland
 
nancy_dalrymple said:
The Lying and Deception begins with the “G”

Ex-33 degree Mason Jim Shaw says; “The Blue Lodge Mason is taught that the “G” in the basic Masonic symbol represents God. Later on, he is told that it represents “deity”. Later still, he is told that it represents “geometry”. In reality, this letter represents the “generative principle,” the Sun-god and, thus, the worshipped phallus, the male “generative principle…” In its position (along with the square and compass) on the east wall over the chair (throne) of the Worshipful Master, it is the representation of the Sun, thus of the Sun-god, Osiris. Its earthly meaning, then, is of the sacred phallus; its cosmic meaning is of the Sun, worshipped since antiquity by pagans while facing the East. Reference, book: The Deadly Deception”, page 144

Freemasonry is one of many apostate religions dedicated to the destruction of traditional Judaism and Christianity. Those who aspire to grow in their closeness to Jesus Christ, and to increase their discernment in these days, would do well to stay very clear of Freemasonry. Are your loyalties with Jesus Christ or are they with the lodge? Both are diametrically opposed to one another as you will see below.

Masons have mixed idolatry, paganism, the occult, Kabala, fertility cults, Satanism, spiritualism, demonology, and put it into a blender and come up with the Masonic religion. It is not of God! It is a false religion; the Harlot of Babylon. Masons say they offer new candidates “the light”. The light they are actually giving is: Lucifer. The Christian Bible says that Satan walks to and fro on this earth masquerading as an “angel of light”, that many might be deceived.

As occultist Benjamin Creme states, “in Freemasonry is embedded the core or the secret heart of the occult mysteries, wrapped up on number, metaphor, and symbol”…

Unknown to most Masons, there is an occult side to Masonry. It is at levels in Masonry that most Masons never get to.
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Nancy,

Thank you for your post.

I’m afraid someone has misled you about Freemasonry. As a 32nd degree Scottish Rite mason, there is no truth that I can find in the above mentioned accusations.

The sad truth is that more people find more fun (and more profit via book sales) in running down a good groups than telling the truth.

Thank you again for your post.
 
Hi! Dallas Texas, I wish you would look into the roots of the Masons and see for yourself I did not make the rules nor did I post something that i made up in fact the Pope even said you cannot be a Catholic of good standing and be a Mason. So what am I to think? I still love you Nancy:thumbsup:
 
Paul Defends His Apostleship

1 I wish that you would bear with me in a little foolishness; but indeed you are bearing with me. 2 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin. 3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4 For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully. 5 For I consider myself not in the least inferior to the most eminent apostles. 6 But even if I am unskilled in speech, yet I am not so in knowledge; in fact, in every way we have made this evident to you in all things.
7 Or did I commit a sin in humbling myself so that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you without charge? 8 I robbed other churches by taking wages from them to serve you; 9 and when I was present with you and was in need, I was not a burden to anyone; for when the brethren came from Macedonia they fully supplied my need, and in everything I kept myself from being a burden to you, and will continue to do so. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, this boasting of mine will not be stopped in the regions of Achaia. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!
12 But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.
16 Again I say, let no one think me foolish; but if you do, receive me even as foolish, so that I also may boast a little. 17 What I am saying, I am not saying as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting. 18 Since many boast according to the flesh, I will boast also. 19 For you, being so wise, tolerate the foolish gladly. 20 For you tolerate it if anyone enslaves you, anyone devours you, anyone takes advantage of you, anyone exalts himself, anyone hits you in the face. 21 To my shame I must say that we have been weak by comparison.
Love Of Christ Nancy:)
 
nancy_dalrymple said:
Hi! Dallas Texas, I wish you would look into the roots of the Masons and see for yourself I did not make the rules nor did I post something that i made up in fact the Pope even said you cannot be a Catholic of good standing and be a Mason. So what am I to think? I still love you Nancy:thumbsup:
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Nancy,

Thank you for your post.

No one knows for certain what the roots of masonry are. This is a major point of controversy even among masons. Some say that they evolved from the medieval stone masons, some say from the Knight Templar and many even trace them back to the construction of King Solomon’s Temple.

From my research, I believe that the links between the Knights Templar and the Freemasons are incredibly strong. Many of the traditions appear to be identical. Even much of the vocabulary seems to stem more from French as opposed to English.

When the Pope dissolved the order of the Templar Knights, King Phillip IV of France captured most of the templars in France. Some however were able to escape. Many fled to England and Scotland. Even the Templar fleet escaped.

I think the Templars hid with many of their business contacts who they had worked with for centuries to build castles and churches–the operative freemasons. Hence beginning the transition from operative to speculative masonry.

I could go on about this. It’s really interesting. I have read the writings of the popes protesting freemasonry. There are quite a few. Unfortunately however, I have not seen an argument against the fraternity that I would recognize as truthful and substantial that would make me want to quit. There are issues that the Freemasons are accused of that are both truthful and substantial that make me proud to be a mason. Issues such as separation of church and state, democracy, and public education I agree with.

I believe the conflict between the Catholic Church and Freemasonry has more to do with the bad blood of past history than any doctrinal concern.

Thank you again for your post. Have a good weekend, and, as a brother and sister in Christ, I love you too.
 
You know you sound like a real sweet person No doubt and i was talking about the organization not the people expecially. What level are you? i know of the things you do and all the causes the money goes to, and how you in your heart see it as a blessing. But i do know unless someone changed the rules, that the Catholic church does not like the organization.Archives > 10 Reasons Catholics Cannot be MasonsTEN REASONS CATHOLICS CANNOT BE MASONS
Freemasonry, contrary to public perception, is a secret society rather than a fraternity. Its principles are fundamentally contrary to the Catholic faith and explicitly deny key tenets of Christianity. Below are ten reasons why Catholics cannot be Masons or participate in their activities.

1). The Holy See on Nov. 26, 1983, at the direction of the Pope, issued a “Declaration on Masonic Associations” restating the Church’s position condemning the basic principles of Freemasonry. It also states that Catholics who join Masonic organizations are in a state of grave sin and are automatically denied Holy Communion.

2). God as described in Masonic works is an impersonal “Great Architect of the Universeî,” not the personal God of the Patriarchs, the One True God of Revelation, the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit.

3). Masonic writings specifically deny that God has revealed Himself and His truths to us, or that He ever established a Church.

4). In Masonry Jesus Christ is portrayed as merely a man, a great teacher, on a par with Buddha or Mohammed and His Divinity is denied.

5). The Trinity is denied and compared to the "trinitiesî"of pagan religions. The Holy Spirit is blasphemed by Masonry’s denial of the Divine Inspiration of Scripture.

6). Christianity is considered a derivative of ancient pagan religions and like all religions deliberately ladens itself with error. God is portrayed as a deceiver who leads many men away from truth as not all are worthy of it.

7). All truth is relative according to Masonry, thereby rejecting objective, absolute truth and therefore the dogmas of the Catholic faith.

8). Freemasonry is portrayed as the foundation of all religion and it is built on Naturalism, a system of belief that makes human nature and human reason supreme in all things.

9). At the various degrees when an oath is sworn, even the initial ones, it is a blood oath swearing for example, “binding myself by no less penalty than that of having my throat cut from ear to ear, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the sands of the sea…” This is a real oath sworn with one’s hand on the Bible or Torah, etc.

10). One can easily be deceived by Masonry’s rituals and symbols that an objective transformation of man is being carried out. This will lead one away from the workings of God’s grace especially manifested in the Sacraments instituted by Christ. Remember, Masonry denies Christís Divinity and therefore His role as our Savior.

You are Loved Nancy
 
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