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Byzantine_Wolf
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Richard Kastner:
Actually a straw man is “when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position” (source). You argued first that I was saying we had to keep every epistle and gospel in a neat little box, which I clearly was not, then you argued that I was saying “this v. doesn’t mean what it say, it means what I say it means,” which I think any discerning would be able to tell I was not arguing in the least. Therefore, yes, you twice used a straw man.
Now, I think you completely misunderstood my citation of John 14:14 (and honestly, given that I expounded upon it thoroughly in my last post, I don’t see how). I was not saying that one passage refers to believers and the other does not, or that they both refer to believers - the target audience was not even on my mind when I cited John 14:14. What I was trying to show was to continually argue, “Jesus says any one! That means any one literally!” is to go beyond the context, and I was trying to show that with John 14:14, where Christ says to ask “anything” in His name. According to your logic, that would include literally anything, ie. robbing a bank, beating someone up, etc., and so long as you pray it in Jesus’ name it’s A-OK. That isn’t what the context of the passage means, and we shouldn’t abuse pronouns like that.
Not responding to this argumentation, you begin to jump from the verse, running to other passages such as John 3:16 or even John 6. None of these passages, however, are related to Revelation 3:20 in any way, shape or form. I addressed the fullness of the context of the passage in my first post, which you have not even pretended to address nor emulate. Revelation 3:20 doesn’t come after John 3:16 or other random passages, it comes in the chain that makes up Revelation 3. In that regard, I’m sorry but the context, as shown at the beginning of the section and the end, is only to believers, and it is calling them to repent of their lukewarm theology.
Again, you would not take strings of quotes made by someone and string them together to say what you want - neither should we treat the word of God in such a fashion.
Actually a straw man is “when a person simply ignores a person’s actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position” (source). You argued first that I was saying we had to keep every epistle and gospel in a neat little box, which I clearly was not, then you argued that I was saying “this v. doesn’t mean what it say, it means what I say it means,” which I think any discerning would be able to tell I was not arguing in the least. Therefore, yes, you twice used a straw man.
Now, I think you completely misunderstood my citation of John 14:14 (and honestly, given that I expounded upon it thoroughly in my last post, I don’t see how). I was not saying that one passage refers to believers and the other does not, or that they both refer to believers - the target audience was not even on my mind when I cited John 14:14. What I was trying to show was to continually argue, “Jesus says any one! That means any one literally!” is to go beyond the context, and I was trying to show that with John 14:14, where Christ says to ask “anything” in His name. According to your logic, that would include literally anything, ie. robbing a bank, beating someone up, etc., and so long as you pray it in Jesus’ name it’s A-OK. That isn’t what the context of the passage means, and we shouldn’t abuse pronouns like that.
Not responding to this argumentation, you begin to jump from the verse, running to other passages such as John 3:16 or even John 6. None of these passages, however, are related to Revelation 3:20 in any way, shape or form. I addressed the fullness of the context of the passage in my first post, which you have not even pretended to address nor emulate. Revelation 3:20 doesn’t come after John 3:16 or other random passages, it comes in the chain that makes up Revelation 3. In that regard, I’m sorry but the context, as shown at the beginning of the section and the end, is only to believers, and it is calling them to repent of their lukewarm theology.
Again, you would not take strings of quotes made by someone and string them together to say what you want - neither should we treat the word of God in such a fashion.
