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wisdomseeker
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do you understand what you just quoted?
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Texas_Roofer
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please explain, where did the KJV come from or what is its history.
I am suprised you acknowledge Paul ( the first Pope)
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ChristusVincit
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That very quote from our own first pope proves your position wrong.
I kind of feel like you’re not listening to anything I or anybody else says. People tackled you one way first, so I thought I’d take a different tact but both have proved ineffective. So I’ll clarify these points and then leave it. We’ve tried our best and given you the best answers and advice that we can but your hardness of heart is for the time being preventing you from taking them. I hope that this changes.
A) The idea of a new testament had not occurred to the apostles at the time because the Hebrew bible was not an “old” testament. He is comparing them to the hebrew scriptures, not directly calling them scriptures themselves. He might well have thought that they might be taken as such in future, and he was clearly right if he did. However what he says here does NOT prove that we have all of Paul’s letters or all of a written account of what he said.
B) You and me, and the majority of the world are “unlearned and unstable.” Think about it. In order to have an active role as a priest or pastor you need to attend seminary for a number of years. at seminary, our priests are also drawing on and learning from 1700 years worth of scripture scholarship and 2000 years worth of apostolic tradition. you yourself said that you have only recently become a christian. What arrogance to think you know more than these, when the Holy Spirit himself through St Peter warned you PERSONALLY not to presume you can interpret them on your own. Fine; read them on your own, learn to understand them but don’t think you have the correct interpretation, because unless it conforms to what the apostles and the writers of scripture themselves were teaching at the time (preserved in the magisterium/deposit of faith held and protected by the 1hcaChurch) you are WRONG and heading for damnation. Satan only needs you to be a few inches short of the mark to have you. Why else would the Holy Spirit through St Peter to beware of him, our adversary, who prowls around like a lion looking for prey?
Seriously, jump in the ark. We’re not limited by two of each kind here, but sticking to Christ and his teaching preserved by the CC is the only assurance of salvation you’ll ever get. Leave it only slightly and you leave yourself open for fire. You might well be saved at the end, but why risk it?
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ruslan
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So now we are talking about 3 different verses. This started out as Ephesians 2:8-9 and now you are including Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58?
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BRIT72
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His delay in judgement is to give men full opportunity to be saved.
If we find thing’s hard to understand, it should not trouble us as God’s word is infinite and inexhaustable.
Instead of accepting them simply by faith, untaught and unstable people twist some of these difficult truths to their own destruction.
Peter puts Pauls writings on the same level as the rest of Scripture.
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BRIT72
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You asked!
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ruslan
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No, I did not ask!
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ChristusVincit
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He didn’t ask.
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BRIT72
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LOL, no you didn’t, it’s your signiture.
I looked at the top which said, what does this verse mean and there was nothing under it, but John 8:58. So my tired mind thought you were asking me what I though it meant. Sorry, must get more sleep.
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kalt
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I don’t believe that any of us does anything that we don’t want to do, unless we’ve been forced. We know ahead of time that it’s wrong. We know it’s wrong when we do it. And we are sorry after it’s done. But we commit every sin willingly. If we commit an act unwillingly (are forced to do it against our will) it’s not a sin.
I agree that people will keep right on sinning, but I disagree that people don’t want to keep on sinning. When we commit a sin, we’re doing exactly what we want to do at the moment. I think it’s inaccurate to say that born again people are any different in that. Born again people who commit a sin are doing it because they want to.
That’s the problem, actually. We do what we want instead of what God wants.
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BRIT72
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If I could live a life on this earth where I never sinned, I would, but I cant as even my very thoughts are sin. I do not want to sin against God, but my flesh is weak and I sin. The thoughts that pop into my head are not at all wanted and I wish they would never come into my head.
If you dont believe that, I cant prove it to you, I’m afraid.
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kalt
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We agree, then, that Tradition doesn’t go against the word of God.
How do you know we have all of the letters that God wants in the Bible? Who decided what texts would be included in the NT?
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kalt
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And what about the “word of mouth” part?
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ruslan
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I understand. Thanks.LOL, no you didn’t, it’s your signiture.
I looked at the top which said, what does this verse mean and there was nothing under it, but John 8:58. So my tired mind thought you were asking me what I though it meant. Sorry, must get more sleep.
:heaven: :harp:
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Thing
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So apart from grace we need faith and works, or we won’t be saved.
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kalt
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I agree that thoughts pop into our head that seem against our will. But, be honest, they are your thoughts. They originate in your brain from your own thinking. They belong to you. If your thoughts weren’t your own and of your own free will, they wouldn’t be sinful, would they?
When you commit a sin, like, lying, it is a willful act. The willfulness of it is what makes a sin a sin.
Some people are incapable of understanding right from wrong, and they are not guilty of sin, no matter how horrible their actions are.
I can tell by your posts that you are in full control of your faculties.
When you commit a sin, it is because you choose to. If you really didn’t want to tell a lie, you wouldn’t.No one does God’s will perfectly.
I’m not trying to say that born again people should be perfect. I’m saying the exact opposite, in fact. People who call themselves born again may be as sinful as the next. Some more. Some less.
Being born again hardly means that you don’t “want” to commit the sins you commit.
None of us gets up in the morning thinking that it’s a great day to commit a real whopper. People who consider themselves born again don’t have the market cornered on trying to live a more Christ-like life. We’re all striving to live as God wants us to live.
But when you do sin, it’s because you want to do what you’re doing.
To say that born again people don’t want to commit the sins they commit isn’t really honest, I think. I don’t think you’re lying. I just think that you haven’t look at sin with your eyes wide open, with a truly honest eye.
You have never commited a sin that you didn’t want to commit. Oh, you may battle it out with yourself, because even while you’re thinking about doing it, you know it’s wrong. But your will wins out over God’s. You commit the sin because you choose to do what you want to do instead of what God wants you to do.
po18guy
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We will be judged according to what we have done. Why does scripture say that if we all get a free pass into heaven? Could it just be that there is more to the story?
The Lord wants you to eat His Body and drink His Blood - or “you have no life in you” (John 6, Matthew 26, 1 Corinthians 11). That is where He wants you to be. The Apostles believed Him and practiced it. Saint Paul believed Him and practiced it. 1,976 years worth of Christians believed Him and faithfully practiced it. However, some have recently stopped practicing it. Christ neither taught nor ordered this. Then, who did?
In spite of what you have heard, or may currently believe, Catholics follow Christ’s words as taught and as practiced. I do not try to be smarter than Him (impossible), or the early believers (unlikely). His Church is simple in its complexity: He speaks. We obey.
The Holy Spirit unites.
The demon divides.
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