What drives groups like Church Militant?

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Recently, there has been news of vandalism and violence towards a gay church worker in California. And part of the story is that extreme Catholic sites like Church Militant have, in some sense, been behind this homophobic or hateful response — in general and towards this man, in particular.

That aside, it is not necessary to discuss for the current question. The incident simply sparked me to ask this question:

What drives Catholic groups like Church Militant? Of course, some CAF users may be fans of Church Militant. Fine. But it’s no secret that they are controversial, and that their methods have sown division in the Church.

So what drives Church Militant, along with their tone and their methods?
 
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They themselves have said that their motivation is love of souls.
 
Then hopefully they will condemn the violence and hatred towards Aaron Bianco, who has been the target of Church Militant.

For hateful souls are certainly in need of correction. We’ll see if perpetrators of violence and hate will be the subject of Church Militant’s videos and posts as much as alleged homosexuals are.
 
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I’m split on Vorhis. Some of his work I enjoy, some of it I find off-putting.

However, I believe what drives him is a genuine sense of outrage at the state of the Church throughout the world.

We the laity have watch as “Catholics” in office who support evils like abortion, same sex marriage, euthenasia, etc.; have suffered no public denouncement. The Bishops have remained mostly silent in the face of their promotion of evil.

We watch, and we see in-fighting among the bishops, a significant portion of the laity who couldn’t care less about the faith, demands from religious sisters to promote abortion and contraception, and what feels like a breakdown of the faithful life throughout teh western world.

And it is frustrating.

Vorhis, I think, is trying to go, and the directness of his approach is a direct response to what he sees as a completely lack of directness form Church leadership.

Not saying that I completely agree with him, but I can certainly understand where he’s coming from.
 
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Hopefully. I do not claim to know their true motives, and I am not here to make rash judgements about them.
 
Indeed, correlation is not necessarily proof of causation.

But only a Catholic persuaded by the likes of Church Militant would go so far as to commit the following acts against a fellow parishioner, no?

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news...cabal-persecutes-faithful-san-diego-catholics

www.nbcsandiego.com

Vandals Mark University Heights Church with Anti-Gay Graffiti Aimed at Employee

St. John The Evangelist Catholic Church in University Heights was desecrated with hate graffiti aimed at a parish employee.
www.nbcsandiego.com www.nbcsandiego.com
 
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Their very graphics and videos are just full of poor taste. Their obsessiveness with the “homosexual network” in the church sounds a lot like the boy who cried wolf.

For them, it is “the gays” who are persecuting faithful Catholics. Forget about the acts of violence and vandalism of “faithful Catholics” towards LGBT Christians.

And overall, I think it does damage to church unity and charity, not to mention the specific impression they persuade Catholics to have towards their fellow LGBT brothers and sisters.

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Their very graphics and videos are just full of poor taste. Their obsessiveness with the “homosexual network” in the church sounds a lot like the boy who cried wolf.
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Except for that we’ve clearly seen that there is a literal network of homosexual priests in the Church… I mean… have you read the various reports that have come out recently? This is not something specific to Vorhis. Ever Catholic reporter I follow has been discussing the growing evidence that there is a homosexual subculture in the Church, especially in seminaries.
For them, it is “the gays” who are persecuting faithful Catholics. Forget about the acts of violence and vandalism of “faithful Catholics” towards LGBT Christians.
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There is a clear and concerted effort to stifle the Church’s ability to promote it’s beliefs and operate according to them. There are also Christians, and unfortunately, Catholics, who are violent against homosexuals. Both groups are wrong. However, the number of instances of the right’s of faithful Christians being trampled on far outweigh the number of stories of violence against homosexuals by Christians.
And overall, I think it does damage to church unity and charity, not to mention the specific impression they persuade Catholics to have towards their fellow LGBT brothers and sisters.
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They promote the Church’s teachings on homosexuality. I’ve never once heard him call for any act of violence against homosexuals, only a rejection of their lifestyles. He has also called to expose and defrock all clergy who are practicing homosexuals. That’s a pretty reasonable request, and far from a call for violence.
 
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Except for that we’ve clearly seen that there is a literal network of homosexual priests in the Church
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A “network of homosexual priests” or just “homosexual priests.”

What is a “network” meant to imply? It implies malintent. It suggests that priests and church workers with SSA are deranged evildoers focused on hurting the church.

And so it leads to inhumane treatment of LGBT people, of whatever lifestyle. Acts of hate are not justified. Spray painting “No Fags!” is not justified towards any person, even if it is an openly gay man working in a gay parish.

But anyway, I don’t care to talk about homosexuality and the church. Talking about that on CAF usually ends up with me in frustration and disillusionment with regard to fellow Catholics, and therefore usually ends up scandalizing my faith, since I am both Catholic and gay, and have many LGBT friends.

So anyway. I didn’t really think it was that controversial that Church Militant is, in fact, controversial.

Maybe I need to wait and let others reply.
However, the number of instances of the right’s of faithful Christians being trampled on far outweigh the number of stories of violence against homosexuals by Christians.
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How did you come to that conclusion?

And anyways, I’m not sure if that matters. It’s like saying there are more traffic violations than murders. What’s the point in comparing the two in this way?
 
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A network, in this instance, is a collection of priests working in tandem to further their ends. I don’t think any rational human being could conclude otherwise when we see one such man raised to the seat of Cardinal despite heavy evidence that he was engaged in inappropriate conduct with seminarians.

The fact that some people start to mistreat homosexuals does not in any way invalidate the Church’s teachings on the subject.

I agree that Vorhis is controversial, and I agree that his language is rarely nice, but I also maintain that I have never once heard him call for violence against homosexuals.
 
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I agree that Vorhis is controversial, and I agree that his language is rarely nice, but I also maintain that I have never once heard him call for violence against homosexuals.
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We can both agree that we’ve never heard him “call for violence against homosexuals.” That was never my point or claim, though.

Having said that, I’ve stopped listening to him for a while now, because he was not helping my Faith.
 
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I think in the case of someone like Voris, they’re just fed up, and they’ve had it with the bishops and their soft approach on people in the Church who promote ideology opposed to Church teaching and in some cases spreading outright heresy in the Church. If the bishops won’t act, then the laity have to, and the existence of outlets like Church Militant is the end result. If bishops would do their jobs, perhaps this kind of reporting wouldn’t be necessary. I don’t agree with everything Church Militant posts, but they often report stories that official Catholic outlets such as the Register, don’t report as they are more focused on national issues. Essentially, they fill a niche that other outlets could fill, maybe with a less “controversial” and more official tone than Church Militant, but for whatever reason, they choose not to.
 
If bishops would do their jobs, perhaps this kind of reporting wouldn’t be necessary.
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There are too many bishops for me to know if they are “doing their jobs.” I suppose some have not. And some have definitely failed in serious ways.

But again, I don’t know if I have a real way to evaluate what each and every bishop has or has not done. I don’t think anyone has really made an attempt to do such a study.
 
There’s certainly been ample discussion about the “Lavender Mafia” in the Vatican, with a lot of recent evidence to support it. That’s certainly a “network” of those with an agenda.
I equate Church Militant with something like, as a secular equivalent on the hard right, Fox News. With ANY news site it is a very good idea these days to take little to nothing at face value. Lots and lots of fake news out there from both the left and the right.
 
A perfectly understandable reaction. I know lots of people who have. I only bother with about 50% of what he writes. He’s far from perfect, but I definitely understand his frustrations with the world and the Church.
 
Violence and vandalism, perhaps.

At least, I HOPE it’s isolated on the part of Catholics.

But the intent to snuff out any and all signs of homosexuality, of whatever lifestyle, is not rare for Church Militant.

I think someone once said Michael Voris was once a practicing homosexual. Maybe this has something to do with how he perceives the whole thing. Like an all or nothing deal.
 
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Also, don’t forget, I’ve hardly seen any other connection between Church Militant and “faithful” (orthodox, but not extreme) Catholic organizations. I’ve never heard of Church Militant in association with Catholic Answers, EWTN, Ignatius Press, Word on Fire, etc.

This probably says something, no?

He’s not even linked from NewAdvent.org., which occassionally links to lifesitenews.com (another conservative site).
 
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Church Militant is not a Catholic website or ministry. They are in the same category as Catholics for Choice, Call to Action, the National Catholic Reporter, or fundamentalist tracts aimed at Catholics by Jimmy Swaggert ministries, Jack Chick, Mission to Catholics, and others.

None of them are affiliated with the Church either.
 
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