What every average latin rite cath should know about the ECCs?

[GrandChurch]

Do Eastern Catholics have the same translations of prayers and do they pray the rosary

 

[Cavaradossi]

Do Eastern Catholics have the same translations of prayers and do they pray the rosary

I believe that the Eastern Catholic Churches don’t use the same translations as the Latin Catholics do (especially true for the Divine Liturgy, which is different from the Mass, and all of the canonical hours, which are also different from their Latin counterparts). Not all Eastern Catholics pray the rosary, as it is not part of Eastern tradition, but some do. You can find many on this forum who probably pray the rosary.

 

[Mostyn]

I was wondering why the Eastern Orthodox Church use unleavened bread at their communion services. I am RC , but I get confused as to whether we should use leavened or unleavened bread.

 

[Stephen_Korsman]

7-An EC can become a RC and an RC can become an EC.

My understanding is that this can only take place with permission from Rome, your local Latin bishop, and the bishop from the Eastern Church you’re joining, who may or may not reside locally. Permission from all three is needed, and is rarely granted for someone who wants to move away from the Eastern Church. Permission requires a good reason as well, and may only be done once in a lifetime.

I don’t really understand what would constitute such a good reason. Likely marriage, especially where the male is Latin rite and the family wants the kids to be Eastern rite. (The children take the rite of the father, irrespective of which rite of baptism is used. There could therefore be thousands of people who think they are Eastern rite who are, according to canon law, really Latin rite, and vice versa, without even knowing it, especially if the baptismal records have been less than scrupulously kept. Imagine in influx of Mormon genealogists into Ireland resulting in the discovery that most of the Irish Catholic priests are really Ethiopian rite Catholics!! )

Since a Latin-rite Catholic can legitimately receive all his sacraments and do all his devotions and worship at a Eastern Catholic parish, I don’t see the need for a formal change of rite.

I think it should be compulsory for all diocese to have parishes from at least two sui iuris Churches other than their own primary rite. Obtaining the congregations for such parishes might not be easy, though.

 

[davinpa]

Sounds a lot like the experience of Eastern Catholics in the US when they began to arrive in the late 19th century. We would have hoped that things have progressed beyond that after more than a century has passed …

We pray for you, the Catholic Church, and especially the Melkite community in Indonesia!

Well, none of us are canonically ECs yet. I suppose that complicates matters quite a bit, but then we consider ourselves more at home with Byzantine liturgy, spirituality and so on.

 

[Strevel]

In my humble practice, respect foryour ancestors is a good thing. No where in Catholicism does it say to not respect and revere them. Quite to the contrary … it is the work and effort of our anscestors that we build upon, brick by brick, to make us the good person we are today. Wherewould any of us be with out our Church Ancestors??
I also prefer the Latin Rite. Burning incense is not wrong. It is the intent of our hearts that make things good or bad. Your “intentions”, that is to say, what do you intend when you do something that makes it good or bad. i burn incense… for aromatic reasons.
One of my guiding precepts is that others do not define me, I and only little old me, define who and what i am. I am Catholic to the core of my heart.

Know of my brotherly and respectful love for you and yur family and friends.

Don, dstrevelatgmail

So i’m a Chinese latin rite catholic who gets the occasional heresy/idolatry/“It isn’t from Western Europe so it must be Satanic!” comment from his fellow latin rite faithful for such actions as burning incense and respecting my forebearers on their birth and death anniversaries, participating in Chinese New year, and having a large collection of Confucian paraphernalia.

(Do you know how many times i’ve had to explain Confucianism is not a religion? the statue probably doesn’t help. )

In my younger days i’d usually try to explain the whole Chinese Rites controversy. Part of me is so jaded at this point i usually just walk up to a computer during the tirade, print out the appropriate section of “Plane Compertum” and hand it to the person.

…and even then at times that’s not enough.

But the tiny pebbles i am pelted with are in comparison rather small to the giant boulders i see hurled at you members of the ECC on occasion by members of my own rite who simply have no inkling of the wider world.

So here’s my question for you all today - What is it that every member of the Latin Rite should know about the Eastern Catholic Churches? (Well aside from your existence )

Wait wait - i know the CAF mentality is about to kick in and the onslaught of theology, philosophy, histories of individual churches, and primary sources are going to accumulate sky high.

Perhaps we could umm…start off smaller?

 

[melekali]

So i’m a Chinese latin rite catholic who gets the occasional heresy/idolatry/“It isn’t from Western Europe so it must be Satanic!” comment from his fellow latin rite faithful for such actions as burning incense and respecting my forebearers on their birth and death anniversaries, participating in Chinese New year, and having a large collection of Confucian paraphernalia.

(Do you know how many times i’ve had to explain Confucianism is not a religion? the statue probably doesn’t help. )

In my younger days i’d usually try to explain the whole Chinese Rites controversy. Part of me is so jaded at this point i usually just walk up to a computer during the tirade, print out the appropriate section of “Plane Compertum” and hand it to the person.

…and even then at times that’s not enough.

But the tiny pebbles i am pelted with are in comparison rather small to the giant boulders i see hurled at you members of the ECC on occasion by members of my own rite who simply have no inkling of the wider world.

So here’s my question for you all today - What is it that every member of the Latin Rite should know about the Eastern Catholic Churches? (Well aside from your existence )

Wait wait - i know the CAF mentality is about to kick in and the onslaught of theology, philosophy, histories of individual churches, and primary sources are going to accumulate sky high.

Perhaps we could umm…start off smaller?

I understand. Confucianism is an interesting philosophy. Religion? Hah! You have my sympathies. It is frustrating but in the larger picture of charity and being in union with God, they are so small as to not even be worth worrying yourself over. People will misunderstand no matter what you do. I pray God give you patience, grace and love to fill your heart, MatteoRicci.

 

[bluecake]

I feel right at home, reading this topic! - since my mother’s family was among those who escaped to Harbin, as Jews. Although we did not keep kosher, yet I have always known and felt that I am both Jewish and Catholic ; and since I was born and brought up in an Eastern country, my very earliest memories are of both Hindu and Buddhist celebrations, since my" ayah" was Buddhist and the cook in our household was Indian. Many of the other members of the household were Muslim.
Best way to be, we all grew up in tolerance and respecting all the customs and religions around us.

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Best way to be, we all grew up in tolerance and respecting all the customs and religions around us.

Amen!

 

[KathleenElsie]

Same here. All I’ve heard is, “if you’re not Roman Catholic, then you’re a Protestant.”

Yep. Most of the people I know have no idea what Byzantine Catholics are. LOL
Today a good Roman Catholic friend of mine and I had a conversation about how we receive communion and what she would need to do when she and her husband visit us this next Sunday. When I told her our priest uses our name when we receive the first thing that came out of her mouth was “that is not allowed” so I had to explain that for us this is proper. So our traditions are different and also valid.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Yep. Most of the people I know have no idea what Byzantine Catholics are. LOL
Today a good Roman Catholic friend of mine and I had a conversation about how we receive communion and what she would need to do when she and her husband visit us this next Sunday. When I told her our priest uses our name when we receive the first thing that came out of her mouth was “that is not allowed” so I had to explain that for us this is proper. So our traditions are different and also valid.

Yes, it seems to be a huge roadblock for many that we do things quite differently. But come to think of it, there are certain rubrics in the Extraordinary Form that is quite different from the Ordinary Form. Like in receiving Communion, you also do not say “Amen” in the EF.

 

[Stephen_Korsman]

Yep. Most of the people I know have no idea what Byzantine Catholics are. LOL
Today a good Roman Catholic friend of mine and I had a conversation about how we receive communion and what she would need to do when she and her husband visit us this next Sunday. When I told her our priest uses our name when we receive the first thing that came out of her mouth was “that is not allowed” so I had to explain that for us this is proper. So our traditions are different and also valid.

How does it work if a visiting Catholic attends the Divine Liturgy at a your church? In a Latin-rite parish (and the Maronite one I’ve been to), you can pitch up and take communion without knowing the priest. You could even be Jewish or Muslim - he’d never know. Is that possible at your church, or do you have to visit the priest and make yourself known prior to that? (And perhaps wear a name tag - if the priest is anything like me, he could take weeks to months to remember someone’s name.) What would the priest do if an unknown person presented themselves for communion?

 

[ByzCathCantor]

How does it work if a visiting Catholic attends the Divine Liturgy at a your church? In a Latin-rite parish (and the Maronite one I’ve been to), you can pitch up and take communion without knowing the priest.

No difference. All Catholics who are properly disposed are welcome to receive the Holy Eucharist in any Catholic Church. Attendance at a Sunday or Holyday Divine Liturgy also fulfills your obligation.

You could even be Jewish or Muslim - he’d never know.

No different as might possibly occur in a Latin Rite church. We would hope this does not take place in any case.

Is that possible at your church, or do you have to visit the priest and make yourself known prior to that? (And perhaps wear a name tag - if the priest is anything like me, he could take weeks to months to remember someone’s name.) What would the priest do if an unknown person presented themselves for communion?

Given that our parishes are typically of “manageable” size, a good priest knows his parishioners and recognizes a guest right away. When a guest approaches to receive the sacrament, the priest will normally pause briefly after saying “The servant of God …”, whereas he would normally follow with one’s name before completing the prayer. One may say their own name at that point. It is not necessary, however, but preferred, as we believe this emphasizes the personal nature of the encounter with Christ in the Holy Eucharist.

Hope that helps!

 

[Stephen_Korsman]

Hope that helps!

Yes, it does - thank you!

 

[objectiv1]

The danger here is to make too much out of nothing. If your conscience tells you that you are not violating the First Commandment while submitting respect for your ancestors, that is just fine. The uneducated don’t realize that Confusionism is a philosophy and paying respect to ancestors is a cultural exercise. We all pledge allegiance to the flag and not violate God’s commandments. As to the Eastern Church there is no requirement for westerners to be knowledgable about it but it would be a good idea to acquaint oneself with Eastern Rites and our Brothers and Sisters therein. Most parochial school students are briefed on that subject but, unfortunately, the C&E Catholics are generally ignorant of that subject as well as much of their own faith. And please close your ears to the arm chair preachers out there who will drive you crazy with their psychotic, repetitious mal-interpreted quotings from the Bible.

 

[dochawk]

Not all Eastern Catholics pray the rosary, as it is not part of Eastern tradition, but some do. You can find many on this forum who probably pray the rosary.

Also, there are parallel eastern devotions that fill similar rolls.

hawk

 

[Busy_bee]

Okay! So, I’m completely lost as to what these other churches are, how they started, why they are “differently the same” (if there is such a thing), are they under the leadership of the pope, what is the difference between them and frankly, I’ve never imagined nor heard of all these. Wow! Is this the catholic church?

Is this the right thread to try and learn a bit about these Eastern, Byzantine, orthodox…churches? Can I get some help? (I’m roman catholic)

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Okay! So, I’m completely lost as to what these other churches are, how they started, why they are “differently the same” (if there is such a thing), are they under the leadership of the pope, what is the difference between them and frankly, I’ve never imagined nor heard of all these. Wow! Is this the catholic church?

Is this the right thread to try and learn a bit about these Eastern, Byzantine, orthodox…churches? Can I get some help? (I’m roman catholic)

You came to the right place - the stated purpose of this sub-forum is to discuss “Eastern Catholicism - its practices, heritage, and role within the universal Church”.

We do have a fair number of well informed Orthodox contributors to this sub-forum, which adds to the depth of the discussion, as we Eastern Catholics share a common heritage with our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters. That said, direct questions about Orthodoxy are often directed to other sub-forums.

FYI - as a member of the Roman Catholic Church, you are part of the largest of the 23 Churches in Communion with Rome comprising the entire Catholic Church. We look forward to sharing more with you as you participate in this sub-forum.

 

[Vico]

Okay! So, I’m completely lost as to what these other churches are, how they started, why they are “differently the same” (if there is such a thing), are they under the leadership of the pope, what is the difference between them and frankly, I’ve never imagined nor heard of all these. Wow! Is this the catholic church?

Is this the right thread to try and learn a bit about these Eastern, Byzantine, orthodox…churches? Can I get some help? (I’m roman catholic)

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[Busy_bee]

Yep. Most of the people I know have no idea what Byzantine Catholics are. LOL
Today a good Roman Catholic friend of mine and I had a conversation. When I told her our priest uses our name when we receive the first thing that came out of her mouth was “that is not allowed” so I had to explain that for us this is proper. So our traditions are different and also valid.

For the record, I think that is wonderful.
I have called you by your name; you are mine.

B-e-a-u-tiful!:extrahappy: