What exactly is a "progressive Catholic?"

[Fitz]

katherine2:

Shall we just say a progressive Catholic is one that endures attacks and name calling before she can even get a word out, and leave it at that?

I am all for social justice. I don’t know what this is all about really. I guess I should have read all the other posts before posting. I personally have heard the term progressive to describe parishes or individuals that do not follow Rome, and that think they can decide to interpret on their own. I have many Protestant friends and they shop for churches and wait to find the perfect fit. I don’t think Catholicism is are ever has been about that. If you mean progressive in a different way, then just tell us. Does it include acceptance of abortion? Just really wondering now why all the upset.

 

[Tanais]

rlg94086:

A lay Catholic who believes they are the Magisterium.

I would say it isn’t necessarily a lay Catholic though, there are plenty of dissenters withint the hierarchy and the clergy.

 

[dumspirospero]

Kevin Walker:

The term ‘Progressive’ is a politically correct euphemism used by members of the political left and their liberal allies to indicate a high tolerance of materialism, Marxism, communism, and non-teleological thought.

A Baptist Church in Harvard Square has: “A Progressive Church” written on its front sign, so predictably the church holds headquarters in its basement for Gay Marriages, Homosexual Ministers, and various causes run by the political left.

Also, tonight as I walked past a ‘Progressive’ Protestant church on Arlington street in downtown Boston, they were chiming “We Shall Overcome One Day” on their church bells.

So the tem ‘Progressive’ is a euphemism for left-wing activism the way the word ‘Gay’ is a euphemism for homosexual.

 

[CrusaderNY]

A “Progressive Catholic” is A liberal who happened to be born Catholic but really hates the church but is to lazy to convert to Protestantism or Zuluism or whatever so stays Catholic, and then decides they want to do away with whatever is left of the church and her traditions, as if V2 and Ecumenism has not done that already, I guess a progressive would be someone who would like, as anything just about goes now in Mass, to have a woman priest offering Mass, with apes and dogs as altar “beings”, with people receiving the eucharist on their heads or in a tote bag for later consumption, all in a large arena with rock, disco, rap or maybe a New York Knicks Basketball game going on in the background. With the way the churh is today after the changes after V2, I dont think there is to much left to “Progress” to , or am I wrong???

dennisknapp:

I asked a poster who used this phrase to explain what it meant. I did not get an answer, so I am ask all of you.

What does this phrase mean?

Peace

 

[rwoehmke]

CrusaderNY:

A “Progressive Catholic” is A liberal who happened to be born Catholic but really hates the church but is to lazy to convert to Protestantism or Zuluism or whatever so stays Catholic, and then decides they want to do away with whatever is left of the church and her traditions, as if V2 and Ecumenism has not done that already, I guess a progressive would be someone who would like, as anything just about goes now in Mass, to have a woman priest offering Mass, with apes and dogs as altar “beings”, with people receiving the eucharist on their heads or in a tote bag for later consumption, all in a large arena with rock, disco, rap or maybe a New York Knicks Basketball game going on in the background. With the way the churh is today after the changes after V2, I dont think there is to much left to “Progress” to , or am I wrong???

Hey Dude, I detect a lot of hyperbolic animus in this post. I have always thought of myself as a “progressive” Catholic, but am beginning to see that it is a nasty name for anyone who might be a little bit to ones left, in other words the definition kind of floats. It is like obscenity, I know it when I see it, but I really can’t define it. Say, tea with some of that John Daniels sounds mighty fine but I live in Wisconsin west of Knapp. Thanks anyway.

 

[Fitz]

OK, so I did a little looking on the forums to see what people were so upset about. It seems that some that came to this thread had a previous axe to grind. So, be forwarned one and all.

 

[INRI]

It should seem obvious to anyone that’s waded this far down the thread that what katherine2 is referring to as “progressive” and what others have been labelling as “progressive” are two different things. By my standards, “progressive” as katherine2 defines it (minus all the needless snide comments about conservatives) is not really progressive at all, but merely a concern for social justice which should be every Catholic’s concern. However, in my experience most self-described “progressive” Catholics use the term to denote outright heresy or disobediance to the pope and the magisterium. This is usually with regards to the church’s teaching about human sexuality, women’s ordination etc. I have also heard other self-described “progressive” Catholics use the “seamless garment” argument to make an excuse for voting for pro-abortion candidates, even though knowingly voting for a pro-abortion candidate is a mortal sin…
So tell me katherine2, does your definition of a ‘progressive’ catholic include someone who supports women’s ordination, acceptance of homosexuality (actively practiced, not just orientation), abortion rights, and embryonic stem cell research? Just asking.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

INRI:

It should seem obvious to anyone that’s waded this far down the thread that what katherine2 is referring to as “progressive” and what others have been labelling as “progressive” are two different things. By my standards, “progressive” as katherine2 defines it (minus all the needless snide comments about conservatives) is not really progressive at all, but merely a concern for social justice which should be every Catholic’s concern. However, in my experience most self-described “progressive” Catholics use the term to denote outright heresy or disobediance to the pope and the magisterium. This is usually with regards to the church’s teaching about human sexuality, women’s ordination etc. I have also heard other self-described “progressive” Catholics use the “seamless garment” argument to make an excuse for voting for pro-abortion candidates, even though knowingly voting for a pro-abortion candidate is a mortal sin…
So tell me katherine2, does your definition of a ‘progressive’ catholic include someone who supports women’s ordination, acceptance of homosexuality (actively practiced, not just orientation), abortion rights, and embryonic stem cell research? Just asking.

Read Katherine2’s post and you will see exactly the definition of a progressive Catholic.God Bless

 

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dennisknapp:

I asked a poster who used this phrase to explain what it meant. I did not get an answer, so I am ask all of you.

What does this phrase mean?

Peace

It is usually a code word for the heresy called “modernism”; meaning that truth changes with time.

 

[MonicaC]

Hello, I had listed yesturday what I thought a progressive catholic to be. But i have asked this very same question to someone who is a progressive catholic and they told me that they believed that the church was behind in the times that women should be priest that birth control was outdated that the rosary and confession were small traditions and just not that important. I was shocked when a few weeks later after expersing my point of view I was told that I was too old fashion and just too marian. I almost feel over considering I was the youngest in the group.

 

[Michael_C]

A Catholic that pursues social Justice is not progressive, they are just being Catholic.

 

[MarkInOregon]

Fitz:

I am posting without reading the other replies because I did not want to be influenced. However, without sounding too flip, a progressive Catholic is usually a Protestant. They take matters into their own hands and interpret the Bible and the church as they see fit.

 

[Exporter]

Katherine2,

1. Was St. Ignatius of Loyola a “progressive Catholic”?
2. If yes, were the Spiritual Exercises of Ingio progressive?
3. How would the Church be different if every person in the Vatican and every Bishop and priest were “progressive Catholics”?
4. How would the Church be different if every priest, Bishop and Vatican official were "conservative Catholics?

Having read your posts on this thread, I venture to say you will answer these questions.