What happened to last rites?

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I am wondering if someone can explain to me what happened to last rites? Someone told me that one receives anointing of the sick but wasn’t there a seperate sacrament for those who were dying? What’s the different between anointing of the sick for healing and those received when one is dying?

Thanks for your help as I’m a little confused on this,

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I am wondering if someone can explain to me what happened to last rites?
Nothing.
Someone told me that one receives anointing of the sick but wasn’t there a seperate sacrament for those who were dying?
No.

“Last Rites” consists of three sacraments to help those who are dieing: Anointing, Confession, and Eucharist. These together comprise the “last rites”.

Anointing can be given in the case of someone who is unconscious or has diminished capacity and who cannot receive the other two sacraments.
What’s the different between anointing of the sick for healing and those received when one is dying?
There isn’t any difference.
 
It is alive and well at traditional parishes. These parishes are the ones often called latin Mass parishes. My parish is operated by the FSSP. The Rite is called extreme unction. We often go with the priest on these visits so we can kneel around the bed and say the prayers of the dying. There is a rite for commending the soul to heaven. The dying person is given a crucifix to hold and the priest kneels and whispers in the persons ear so he dies while hearing Christs name. Here is how you prepare. In the sick room have a table covered with a linen. Have one of those sick call cruficix on the table with two bees wax candles that were blessed at candlemass. Also have cotton balls, water, salt, and bread and lemons ( for washing). When the priest comes to the home, you greet him with a lighted candle because he will be carrying the Blessed Sacrament. You genuflect and escort him to the sickroom without talking. While in the sick room you kneel. When Father hears the confession everyone leaves and then returns for communion and extreme unction. The priest will impart the Apostolic Blessing with its plenary indulgence. After that the prayers of the dying are said and the soul is commended to heaven. The crucifix the dying person holds in placed on the casket at the funeral. Ours is passed down in the family. Hope this helps
 
Another changed brought about by Vatican II.

EWTN
The Second Vatican Council addressed the usage of the sacrament in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy (1963): “Extreme Unction,” which may also and more fittingly be called ‘anointing of the sick,’ is not a sacrament for those only who are at the point of death. Hence, as soon as one of the faithful begins to be in danger of death from sickness or old age, the fitting time for him to receive this sacrament has certainly already arrived" (#73). Moreover, the Council highlighted the healing ministry of the Church and the salvific healing of our Lord: “Through the sacred anointing of the sick and the prayer of her priests, the entire Church commends the sick to the suffering and glorified Lord, imploring for them relief and salvation. She exhorts them, moreover, to associate themselves freely with the passion and death of Christ” (<Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, #11>). The Council recommended that a continuous rite be prepared which would include confession, anointing and viaticum.
According to the EWTN article linked to, around the 12th century, extreme unction was mostly used " or at the point of death."

There is something beautiful about these “last rites”.

I’m not so sure the anointing of the sick has the same meaning. I see posts with people wondering whether they should get anointing of the sick for a back problem or something like that.

When it was called extreme unction, no one was confused about what it was for.

This frustrates me. It’s like we’re losing our Catholic identity in little ways.

Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding.
 
Nothing.

No.

“Last Rites” consists of three sacraments to help those who are dieing: Anointing, Confession, and Eucharist. These together comprise the “last rites”.

Anointing can be given in the case of someone who is unconscious or has diminished capacity and who cannot receive the other two sacraments.

There isn’t any difference.
I think that the laity and priests should also consider the Apostolic Pardon, whenever deemed possible and appropriate, as part of the last rites.
 
Thank you very much…I wasn’t sure as someone told me differently. Another question: if you can’t make a confession (coma, unconscious) does the priest still give you absolution?
 
Thank you very much…I wasn’t sure as someone told me differently. Another question: if you can’t make a confession (coma, unconscious) does the priest still give you absolution?
A conditional absolution is given.
 
Another changed brought about by Vatican II.

EWTN

According to the EWTN article linked to, around the 12th century, extreme unction was mostly used " or at the point of death."

There is something beautiful about these “last rites”.

I’m not so sure the anointing of the sick has the same meaning. I see posts with people wondering whether they should get anointing of the sick for a back problem or something like that.

When it was called extreme unction, no one was confused about what it was for.

This frustrates me. It’s like we’re losing our Catholic identity in little ways.

Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding.
People thinking that Anointing of the Sick is only for those at the point of death was the confusion that was corrected by moving away from the term “Extreme Unction”.
 
The thing is that anointing of oil for healing was not only intended for the dying, but it became to be associated with it. So much so that people were almost afraid to ask for it! They associated it so strongly with the dying that they thought they had to be dying in order to ask for that healing grace. The bible and tradition was very clear that we should ask when we are very sick for healing from God, and that the Holy Spirit through the hands of the priest can indeed be used to heal. (Look at all the examples in the history of the church).

Vatican II didn’t change it or make it less, it clarified it so that people wouldn’t be afraid to call a priest for fear that they were sealing their death.
 
A conditional absolution is given.
Young Trad Cath is correct. The priest will give conditional absolution. He will also give the Apostolic Blessing which carries the indulgence, so very important to the persons soul. The last sense that goes is often hearing so that is why the priest kneels and constantly whispers in the ear. He will say things like “repeat the act of contrition with me” " Say youre sorry for your sins". I even saw a young FSSP priest go to a nursing home to see a protestant and he knelt in the evening and and while she was unconscience, he kept saying when you see Jesus tell him you would have become a Catholic if you had known of the Catholic church. Do you know what kind of an impression it made to see a priest on his knees in cassock, surplice and biretta kneeling doing everything he could to save the soul of a heretic!!! How great God is to send us such holy men. Later this month we will be blessed with more of these great FSSP priests.
 
Another changed brought about by Vatican II.

EWTN

According to the EWTN article linked to, around the 12th century, extreme unction was mostly used " or at the point of death."

There is something beautiful about these “last rites”.

I’m not so sure the anointing of the sick has the same meaning. I see posts with people wondering whether they should get anointing of the sick for a back problem or something like that.

When it was called extreme unction, no one was confused about what it was for.

This frustrates me. It’s like we’re losing our Catholic identity in little ways.

Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding.
I pray that we do not make this yet another “blame Vatican II” issue. The Sacrament is based on the practice described in the Epistle of James. The wording is fairly clear that it is a Sacrament for the living. As to some additional procedure associated with the Sacrament in the case of the dying, I believe the OP may be thinking of the Viaticum (last communion), or “food for the journey” which is normally administered to those at the point of death. Since the Sacrament cleanses of sin, the recipient can worthily receive the Holy Eucharist.

During the European plagues, the Anointing may have been used mainly in the cases of those who were dying en masse, and its use as a healing Sacrament may have been unintentionally downplayed when employed out of necessity in the cases of the many who were succumbing to various plagues. Looked at in this way, what we see occurring today may indeed be a restoration of the Sacrament to its original purpose.

As to anecdotal evidence of abuses, well, those are common to each of the Sacraments, as well as the liturgy itself. For this very reason, the Church is in the midst of a reformation from within, as was intended from the beginning. Some prudence must be used in the administration of all Sacraments. I have received the Anointing three times in as many years, but as a stage 4 cancer patient, it appears to have been entirely appropriate.

The humbling aspect of the Sacrament is that it is curative if healing is conducive to one’s salvation. I am at the three-year remission point, so the Lord is revealing to me that more progress needs to be made in my spirit.
 
Another changed brought about by Vatican II.

EWTN

According to the EWTN article linked to, around the 12th century, extreme unction was mostly used " or at the point of death."

There is something beautiful about these “last rites”.

I’m not so sure the anointing of the sick has the same meaning. I see posts with people wondering whether they should get anointing of the sick for a back problem or something like that.

When it was called extreme unction, no one was confused about what it was for.

This frustrates me. It’s like we’re losing our Catholic identity in little ways.

Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding.
I don’t think there’s anything “beautiful” about depriving someone of the graces and strengths of the Sacrament until they are a few minutes away from death and perhaps mentally unable to process what’s happening – as so often was the case in the “Extreme Unction” days when the mindset was not to call the priest until a few minutes (hopefully) before death.

Similarly, I don’t think our “Catholic identity” is particularly threatened by providing this beautiful Sacrament to someone who is seriously ill but perhaps has more than an hour to live. Breaking way from the “Extreme” label I believe was a positive and maternal action on the part of the Church that moved the Sacrament closer to its Scriptural basis.
 
I don’t think there’s anything “beautiful” about depriving someone of the graces and strengths of the Sacrament until they are a few minutes away from death and perhaps mentally unable to process what’s happening – as so often was the case in the “Extreme Unction” days when the mindset was not to call the priest until a few minutes (hopefully) before death.

Similarly, I don’t think our “Catholic identity” is particularly threatened by providing this beautiful Sacrament to someone who is seriously ill but perhaps has more than an hour to live. Breaking way from the “Extreme” label I believe was a positive and maternal action on the part of the Church that moved the Sacrament closer to its Scriptural basis.
As I see it, if we are going to go back in time to correct any perceived flaws in Church behavior, let’s go back to day one. We might like the Church at a particular point in time, but that is based more on a sense of nostalgia than it is on correct practice. Let us conform ourselves to the Church as Christ founded it. And, that does indeed include a Sacrament particularly for the sick, and not exclusively for the dying.

How many times has the Sacrament been refused, since it has been inappropriately associated with one’s death?
 
Another changed brought about by Vatican II.

EWTN

According to the EWTN article linked to, around the 12th century, extreme unction was mostly used " or at the point of death."

There is something beautiful about these “last rites”.

I’m not so sure the anointing of the sick has the same meaning. I see posts with people wondering whether they should get anointing of the sick for a back problem or something like that.

When it was called extreme unction, no one was confused about what it was for.

This frustrates me. It’s like we’re losing our Catholic identity in little ways.

Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding.
I think many misunderstand “Extreme Unction” and “Anointing of the Sick” and confuse it with “Last Rites”

“Last Rites” is not Extreme Unction. Extreme Unction was really the sacrament of annointing of the sick but may began to confuse it with “Last rites” which also includes confession and Viaticum or reception of the Eucharist for the last time. Extremen Unction is annointing of the sick. Last Rites is anointing of the sick, confession and last Eucharist. Last Rites has not changed.

The wikipedia article on Last Rites actually does a good job
The ministration known as the last rites in the Catholic Church does not constitute a distinct sacrament in itself. It is rather a set of sacraments given to people who are believed to be near death. These are the sacraments of Anointing of the Sick (which, in spite of not being reserved for the dying, is sometimes mistakenly supposed to be what is meant by “the last rites”), Penance and the Eucharist. If all three are administered immediately one after another, the normal order of administration is: first Penance then Anointing, then Viaticum.
What the Second Vatican Council actually did was restore anointing of the sick to its proper Biblical place as a sacrament instituted by Christ. In giving the sacrament of annointing of the sick only to people who were at the point of death, the Church was unnecessarily restricting the sacrament, preventing people from recieving the sacrament who because of illness should have actually recieved it.

Remember that all sacraments are instituted by Christ. Christ healed many from sickness and infirmity who were not in immediate danger of death. Jesus sent the twelve apostles out and part of their mission was to anoint and cure.

They drove out many demons, and they anointed with oil many who were sick and cured them. (Mark 6:13)

Also remember James 5…

Is anyone among you sick? He should summon the presbyters of the church, and they should pray over him and anoint [him] with oil in the name of the Lord, and the prayer of faith will save the sick person, and the Lord will raise him up. If he has committed any sins, he will be forgiven. (James 5:14-15)

James says that those who are sick should be anointed by the presbyters.

I know several people who are confused by the sacrament and approached to get anointed out of ignorance even though they are not sick. I know it happens quite a bit.

But if Vatican II changed anything regarding anointing of the sick, it changed it for the better. It removed and unnecessary restriction of the sacrament and opened it up to a whole population of people who should have recieved it in the first place. But “Last Rites” hasn’t gone anywhere. You can still call a priest for last rites if someone is dying.

TrueLight, not everything in Vatican II is bad. It has restored much to the Church which we have lost in the past 1000 years. Don’t get caught up in the rhetoric. Trust God and his Church. Remember why you joined.

-Tim-
 
A conditional absolution is given.
This is what my mother received when she was very ill in the hospital. She could not respond, and was receiving emergency care, but the priest went into the room and annointed her, gave her conditional absolution, and the blessing. She did recover and I am very grateful.

I did know that she could have died, but I would have called the priest anyway. I am sure that the graces imparted in the annointing worked with the medical treatment to heal her.
 
This is what my mother received when she was very ill in the hospital. She could not respond, and was receiving emergency care, but the priest went into the room and annointed her, gave her conditional absolution, and the blessing. She did recover and I am very grateful.

I did know that she could have died, but I would have called the priest anyway. I am sure that the graces imparted in the annointing worked with the medical treatment to heal her.
What is taught is that the sacrament of anointing of the sick is always effective.

It will remove sin and give you strength to suffer, and God may even heal you physically if it is necissary for your salvation that you life.

The medical treatment may have saved your mother physically or God may have granted her great mercy, knowing that she needed time to live to save her soul.

How great a God we have!

-Tim-
 
It will remove sin and give you strength to suffer, and God may even heal you physically if it is necissary for your salvation that you life.
This is intended to be humbling for those who are healed. I am still working on that aspect of it. :o
 
Another changed brought about by Vatican II.

EWTN

According to the EWTN article linked to, around the 12th century, extreme unction was mostly used " or at the point of death."

There is something beautiful about these “last rites”.

I’m not so sure the anointing of the sick has the same meaning. I see posts with people wondering whether they should get anointing of the sick for a back problem or something like that.

When it was called extreme unction, no one was confused about what it was for.

This frustrates me. It’s like we’re losing our Catholic identity in little ways.

Or maybe I’m just misunderstanding.
James 5:14-15, and the CCC 1499-1525. The tradition for this Sacrament is found in the cited passages of James, where if anyone is sick, they should call on the elders of the Church for anointing and prayer, and forgiveness of sin. There is nothing in the passage which says that a person must be near death. Jesus healed the sick when He was alive. They did not have be near death. The Church has restored this tradition, which was present from Biblical times. Read the CCC for a full explanation.

Glory should be given to God that He has provided this Sacrament of healing, and we don’t have to wait until we are dying. People actually have been healed after receiving this Sacrament. I received it myself before a serious surgery I had done and was so grateful for the graces, and also for a very quick recovery. My husband received it when he had a stroke last year and he fully recovered in about 2 days and needed almost no rehab. He of course received treatment for the stroke, but the Dr told me that he probably would have serious deficits even with treatment. He has none. His recovery was remarkable and I consider it miraculous.

I am sorry, but I just do not understand why anyone would want to wait until they are near death and even unconscious to receive this Sacrament.
 
My husband received it when he had a stroke last year and he fully recovered in about 2 days and needed almost no rehab. He of course received treatment for the stroke, but the Dr told me that he probably would have serious deficits even with treatment. He has none. His recovery was remarkable and I consider it miraculous.
I had a rare and aggressive non-Hodgkin’s T-cell lymphoma, for which there is no standard medical treatment. Stage IV. 50+ tumors throughout my lymphatic system and cancer in my bone marrow. About two months to live. I received the Anointing. This was almost four years ago now, and there is no evidence of the disease today. My Fred Hutchinson research oncologist, not a religious man, calls it a miracle.
sw85 said:
I am sorry, but I just do not understand why anyone would want to wait until they are near death and even unconscious to receive this Sacrament.
Unlike the three Sacraments of initiation, or of Holy Orders, the Anointing is a Sacrament that we are intended to receive as often as we have need. The very humbling aspect of this is that, if we receive healing, it is a revelation from God that our salvation is not yet complete.
 
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