What happened to Sirach 2:23

[michelleds]

I’m reading The Sinner’s Guide and on page 9 is a quote from Ecclesiasticus 2:23. Ecclesiasticus is Sirach, of course. I go to my New American Bible St Joseph Edition to read this verse and it’s not in there. Sirach 2 stops at verse 18.

Puzzled, I go to the USCCB website to check out the online NABRE with the same result.

I go to biblegateway.com to check out the Douay-Rheims 1899 version and 2:23 is in that one.

So what happened between the DR and the NAB? verse 23 is present in the Vulgate also.

Sirach 2:23 “According to His greatness, so also is His mercy with Him.”

thanks!

 

[David_Castlen]

I’m reading The Sinner’s Guide and on page 9 is a quote from Ecclesiasticus 2:23. Ecclesiasticus is Sirach, of course. I go to my New American Bible St Joseph Edition to read this verse and it’s not in there. Sirach 2 stops at verse 18.

Puzzled, I go to the USCCB website to check out the online NABRE with the same result.

I go to biblegateway.com to check out the Douay-Rheims 1899 version and 2:23 is in that one.

So what happened between the DR and the NAB? verse 23 is present in the Vulgate also.

Sirach 2:23 “According to His greatness, so also is His mercy with Him.”

thanks!

Fasinating… I look forward to the answer

 

[edward_george]

From first glance it seem to be that there are probably different versions of numbering it; all the same text is still there. In the NAB reckoning, it seems that a verse or two is condensed. But I’d have to dig a little more to say for sure.

-ACEGC

 

[po18guy]

From first glance it seem to be that there are probably different versions of numbering it; all the same text is still there. In the NAB reckoning, it seems that a verse or two is condensed. But I’d have to dig a little more to say for sure.

-ACEGC

I have also noted slightly different verse numbering in the D-R as compared with other translations.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I’m reading The Sinner’s Guide and on page 9 is a quote from Ecclesiasticus 2:23. Ecclesiasticus is Sirach, of course. I go to my New American Bible St Joseph Edition to read this verse and it’s not in there. Sirach 2 stops at verse 18.

Puzzled, I go to the USCCB website to check out the online NABRE with the same result.

I go to biblegateway.com to check out the Douay-Rheims 1899 version and 2:23 is in that one.

So what happened between the DR and the NAB? verse 23 is present in the Vulgate also.

Sirach 2:23 “According to His greatness, so also is His mercy with Him.”

thanks!

As said it looks like the verse numbering (which by the way is an addition and not part of the inspired text).

The verse is there, in the NABRE Sirach 2:19 reads

Let us fall into the hands of the Lord
and not nito the hands of mortals,
For equal to his majesty is his mercy:
and equal to his name are his works.

The Orthodox Study bible has close to the same in its last verse for Sirach but it is verse 18.

So it is just the numbering of the verses . If anything was omitted it would be explained in the study notes. I have run into a case of this in the past but can not clearly recall it right now.​

 

[hockeyfan]

One time I was talking to a Protestant about the Bible, and we got into a reading from the Book of Malachi, and a reading from my Bible was numbered differently then hers. At first we were thrown off, then I noticed that she still had the reading but the chapter broke a couple of verses earlier then on my Bible. So what was a late verse on a chapter in my Bible was a early verse in the next chapter in hers. Who know’s, maybe that could be the same in your case about Sirach.

 

[michelleds]

As said it looks like the verse numbering (which by the way is an addition and not part of the inspired text).

The verse is there, in the NABRE Sirach 2:19 reads

Let us fall into the hands of the Lord
and not nito the hands of mortals,
For equal to his majesty is his mercy:
and equal to his name are his works.

The Orthodox Study bible has close to the same in its last verse for Sirach but it is verse 18.

So it is just the numbering of the verses . If anything was omitted it would be explained in the study notes. I have run into a case of this in the past but can not clearly recall it right now.
​

Yes, thank you everyone. I should have analyzed more closely, not sure how I missed this. Obviously The Sinner’s Guide is a very old writing, so whatever the reason for the different numbering, the verse isn’t actually missing.

Thanks for everyone’s help on my whodunit that wasn’t!​

 

[Bible_Reader]

There are different Greek (and Hebrew) versions of Sirach; in particular, there is the Old Greek and the GKII Greek texts. The Vulgate text is largely based on GII, but includes more doublets and additions.

For a rapid understanding of the Greek, I recommend looking at the New English Translation of the Septuagint, which includes the GKII textual additions in brackets. If you have a strong control of Greek, then I recommend consulting Joseph Ziegler’s Göttingen text. If you have only a moderate control of Greek, then I would suggest reading a standard English commentary, such as Father Di Lella’s Anchor Bible commentary.

Note that while most contemporary scholars (including the NAB translators) universally prefer the Old Greek text as a base; Liturgiam Authenticam requires that Deuterocanonical lectionary passages use the same textual base as Nova Vulgata, which follows the Vulgate and GKII versions.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

This variation in numbering occurs in several places. The Jerusalem Bible gives both numberings.

I find it a particular nuisance in the Psalms. The Responsorial Psalms for the mass in the NAB tend to number the editorial comment at the beginning of a Psalm as verse one; sometimes as a separate verse and sometimes as a part of the next text. I like to use the RSV-CE which starts the numbering with the first line of text. This is especially a nuisance when the Responsorial uses several isolated verses.