What happened with Ireland?

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I mean, Ireland was a symbol of Catholic piety and faithfulness, a really proud beacon of our faith and what it has become? Abortion, same-sex marriage… It seems like Ireland turned completely their back to Our Lord, Jesus Christ. How the situation reach this level and does the Ireland clergy has no shame to allow such a disaster under their watch?
 
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The clergy cannot stop people from creating such a disaster. I think that is unfair to lay it at the clergy’s feet.

The clergy are not the ones that stopped attending mass or stopped putting Christ first in their lives. People are influenced by media, and what they see and hear other people do. Little by little Ireland crumbled like most other countries in the world.
 
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by Britain for a few centuries, and when the 20th century came along the independence movement was taken over by commies and terrorist sympathizers. They fell victim a materialist ideology.
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Well, for what I know, the clergy were quite mild during the abortion debate referendum. Was the clergy very clear in their homilies prior to the referendum about the extremely mortal sinfulness of abortion, that it is murdering your own baby and that means probably eternity burning in excruciating pain?
 
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One reason for the change may be the youth culture, which transcends nationality, ethnicity, religion, and culture. There is a certain kindred spirit among many young people regarding freedom of choice as it pertains to such social and moral issues as abortion and same-sex marriage. The times they are a-changing (for better or worse) on a global level.
 
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Modernism. You can’t prevent it unless you control the media the people take it in the strictest form possible. My little country gets influenced by the west very easily (in both good and bad ways), despite the government being very involved in media.
 
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Cultural Catholicism led to nominal Catholicism. I actually think this time of cultural- only Catholics falling away is a good time. A huge cleaning out is occurring across many countries. The Church in the future will be small but faithful.
 
The sex abuse scandal was particularly vile in Ireland. The cover up apparently continued even after everything that happened in the US starting in 2001.
 
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The Church in the future will be small but faithful.
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And, hopefully, with courageous clergy that speak the truth about salvation, heaven and hell, sin, the need of the Catholic Church, sacraments, confession, insolubility of marriage, etc…
 
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But the United States had plummeting attendance and everything that goes with that long before the latest scandals. So I am saying I do not believe the scandals were the cause of the church losing members.
 
There is a “controversial” bishops meeting in the 60s that maybe can help the understanding of the entire thing…
 
Ireland is like any other country in the world. From the outside, maybe it seemed like a shining beacon, but Catholicism in Ireland was to a large extent cultural only. So ask yourself why people are falling away from the church in any other western country in the world and you have your answer.

People don’t realise that the Irish constitution was the primary thing holding back legislation on abortion. Probably would have been brought in decades ago “under limited circumstances” otherwise.
 
Clergymen who preach one thing but do the opposite and then cover it up hurt the cause of Christ and that of the Church, causing the Church to lose the moral high ground in the eyes of the people.

I think that is what has happened in Ireland, which paved the way for more secular and modernistic elements to gain a foothold and ultimately push their way into power and influence.

The Church can rebound (in Ireland and elsewhere) only if it can regain the moral high ground in the eyes of the people through transparency and by setting a virtuous example for others to follow.
 
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The Magdalene Laundries story reminds me a little of the movie ‘Philomena’ which was based on a true story, from what I understand.
 
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The film was very different to Martin Sixsmith`s book however. Steve Coogan (lapsed Catholic from the Irish diaspora-Manchester UK branch) greatly changed the narrative including the early death of the “evil nun” and the fact that Philomena never visited the USA until the film premiered there. So I tend to view the film as more entertainment that informative.
 
I tend to agree that the faith in Ireland was pretty strong, but I think this was also a reaction to the British subjugation, particularly since Elizabethan times. Certainly Irish nationalists recognised this fact and utilised it often. Wolfe Tone used it shrewdly despite being somewhat disdainful of Irish clerics and the concept of fusing Catholicism and independence reached its apex with the rule of De Valera I think. Since the struggle for freedom was achieved, the role of the Church as a rallying point against British rule was no longer an issue and Irish Catholicism followed a similar path to much of the rest of the Church in the Western World with a very similar trajectory.
 
Those calling out the Irish Clergy have you no shame.

Do you know all the facts or are these just made up allegations ?

A great Prophet Daniel maintained a vibrant faith in God despite living and working in an ungodly culture surrounded by unbelievers.

Priests are the Lords Holy men on earth so please show some respect
 
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