What happened with Ireland?

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The West disgustingly influences so many countries. Can’t understand the attraction of the West. Look at the fashions young people choose to wear in their own countries. Tight, tight jeans. Materialism the great deceiver. The music ,even in their talent shows they sing English songs…how tragic to let go of your own traditions and easily follow the crowd that ends up in boring complacency
 
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I think the priest scandal had a ton to do with it. There were also some scandals about nuns too. The people lost trust in the church. I’m not saying they should have, I’m not saying I agree with it. But I think that played a huge role in Ireland has become today.
 
Reading about grinding poverty in Ireland is never fun. It’s why I could never read Angela’s Ashes, etc.
Does it bother you equally that abortions are legal in Ireland now? How will they dispose of the human remains? Are you concerned about that?
 
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I’d rather use a more dignified term.
 
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PickyPicky said:
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Loud-living-dogma:
Does it bother you equally that abortions are legal in Ireland now?
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I’m afraid abortion is a subject I don’t discuss on this site. I hope you’ll excuse this reply.
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I understand.
 
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VanitasVanitatum said:
Why are you bringing in abortion in the first place?
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Look at the thread title. Picky picky has been posting about the child burial situation in various mother-baby institutions in Ireland from the earlier part of the twentieth century. So I think abortion is an appropriate topic to compare with the mother-baby institutions that used to exist.
 
Arguing abortion with someone who doesn’t see it as wrong is a waste of time. They won’t accept it as a valid comparison.
 
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I withdraw my statement that was in error and I apologize.
 
No, the logic is not that both are evil. The logic is that @PickyPicky seems extremely concerned about how human remains were handled 80-100 years ago, and I wondered if he is equally concerned about how human remains are being handled in current day Ireland. But he refuses to discuss abortion (and presumably the human remains that come from it) so I can’t indulge my desire to argue with him about it.
 
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Plenty of blame to go around here - - looks like Galway and Mayo County Councils share some. I’m sure @PickyPicky will be excoriating them in future.

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9.In the light of a great deal of inaccurate commentary about the Tuam site, the Commission considers it important to emphasise what it has established and what it has not established.The memorial garden site contains human remains which date from the period ofthe operation of the Tuam Children’s Home so it is likely that a large number of the children who died in the Tuam Home are buried there.The human remains found by the Commission are not in a sewage tank but in a second structure with 20 chambers which was built within the decommissioned large sewage tank.The precise purpose of the chamber structure has not been established but it is likely to be related to the treatment/containment of sewage and/or waste water. It has not been established if it was ever used for this purpose although soil analysis illustrates that it is likely it was so used for an unspecified duration. The Commission does not consider that any of its features suggest that it was deliberately formed as a crypt or formal burial chamber. If that were the case, an entirely different type of structure would have been expected that would allow for easy human access. It has not been established that all the children who died in the Tuam Children’s Home are buried in this chamber structure. There is some evidence that there may be burials in other parts of what were the grounds of the Home.
10.It seems clear that relatively extensive work and construction was conducted in around the site of the Children’s Home in Tuam, particularly during the July –December 1937 period. The Commission thinks it possible that the reworking of the old sewage tank and the construction of the second structure described above may and have occurred at this time. If this is so, then the human remains found in the chambers are likely to date from after 1937. This raises the question of where the children who died before then are buried.
 
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  1. The more difficult question to answer is why the children were “buried” in such an inappropriate manner.
    12. All the residents of the Tuam Home were the responsibility of the Galway and Mayo County Councils. It seems to the Commission that responsibility for the burials of deceased children rested with the local authorities and Galway County Council had a particular responsibility as the owner of the institution.
    13.The Sisters of Bon Secours who ran the Tuam Home were unable to provide any information about the burials there.
    14.The Commission is surprised by the lack of knowledge about the burials on the part of Galway County Council and the Sisters of Bon Secours. Galway County Council members and staff must have known something about the manner of burial when the Home was in operation. The Board of Health and its sub-committees sometimes held their meetings in the Home. Employees of Galway County Council must have known about the burials. County Council employees would have been in the grounds of the Home quite frequently as they carried out repairs to the building and possibly also maintained the grounds. It seems very likely that Galway County Council must have been aware of the existence of burials when they were planning the Athenry Road housing scheme in 1969.
    15.The Sisters of Bon Secours continued to live and run a private hospital in the town of Tuam until 2001. They must have been aware of the building works which were carried out on the Children’s Home site in the 1970s.
    16.The Commission considers that there must be people in Tuam and the surrounding area who know more about the burial arrangements and who did not come forward with the information.
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
No, the logic is not that both are evil. The logic is that @PickyPicky seems extremely concerned about how human remains were handled 80-100 years ago
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To be truthful I am not “extremely concerned” about that, I am more concerned with the epistemology of the subject… It seemed to me that coming to a firm conclusion on this unhappy business on the basis of partial news articles is unwise when we have the reports of the commission and the prospect of fuller information when the investigation is complete.
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Plenty of blame to go around here - - looks like Galway and Mayo County Councils share some. I’m sure @PickyPicky will be excoriating them in future
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I have done no excoriating. And I will not be surprised if the final report has some pertinent things to say about the rôle of local government in the affair.
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But he refuses to discuss abortion (and presumably the human remains that come from it) so I can’t indulge my desire to argue with him about it.
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My opinions on abortion are not as straightforwardly clear-cut as those of the Catholic Church. Rehearsing them here — uninteresting and unauthoritative as they are — would serve no purpose other than to offend the many posters here who feel passionately about the matter. I will not do so.
 
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