What happens in Germany

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Great article here from Archbishop Chaput regarding the German debate about inter-communion for Lutheran spouses.

His Excellency indirectly gives the best arguments I’ve ever heard regarding why inter-communion with Protestants is not allowed, while inter-communion with the Orthodox is.

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A good, succinct restatement of what’s already been said, AKA

NOPE​

 
Thanks for posting. I hope that Archbishop Chaput and others will continue to speak out if this proposal goes further, which I think there’s a very good chance it will unfortunately.
 
Excuse my ignorance but I was convinced that inter-communion with the Orthodox Church (not Eastern catholics, they are, after all, still catholics) is NOT permitted. At least the Orthodox priests will not give you the communion if you aren’t orthodox.
 
sororetfilia said:
Excuse my ignorance but I was convinced that inter-communion with the Orthodox Church (not Eastern catholics, they are, after all, still catholics) is NOT permitted. At least the Orthodox priests will not give you the communion if you aren’t orthodox.
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Catholics are not typically allowed to receive in Orthodox churches unless there is a grave reason to do so. Because they have valid Sacraments, we can receive there under grave reasons.

But we are NEVER allowed to receive in Protestant communities.
 
Thanks for your response. I try to learn as much as possible on this topic (espcially) and to share it with fellow catholics. Most of us here in Germany have no clue about the eucharist, really, and I doubt that even one out of four of them believe in the real presence. Anyways, thanks again and God bless you.
 
sororetfilia said:
Most of us here in Germany have no clue about the eucharist, really, and I doubt that even one out of four of them believe in the real presence.
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You should watch and encourage others who speak English (or Spanish) to watch the new 4 episode series called “Presence” on FORMED.org

Your can get a free 7 day subscription to FORMED, and the monthly subscription for individuals is $9 USD a month.

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God Bless
 
On a different thread, another poster (I believe it was @Maximilian75) described Germany as the place where “cultural Catholicism meets crazy liberalism” and it seems to me an accurate statement of much (not all) of Catholic Germany.
 
I’m baffled as to why a non-Catholic spouse would even want to receive Catholic communion. I have several types of Protestants in my own family with whom I’ve attended weddings, funerals, Masses for wedding anniversaries, etc and none of them have ever shown the slightest inclination to want to receive.
 
Yes, unfortunately, even after two weeks, it is difficult to shed those images from my memory. shudders
 
Yeah…

And, as I said in the thread, it looked really trad otherwise - A bishop in episcopal gloves, a nice church, cassocks and surplices, and then… boom! dancing nuns
 
You are very correct, it was so incongruous in relation to all the traditional elements in the picture that you wonder if the dancers were photoshopped in.

And then when you find out it was in Germany, you’re like, “oh, ok. makes sense now.”
 
Like, it would almost be okay in a way if it was some baby-boomer snow-bird United States church-in-the round with pantsuit sisters…

but in that environment it seems almost more wrong…
 
Yeah.

That Catholic/Lutheran divide runs way deeper and is way more evident in Germany, making both sides even more anxious in some ways to stitch it up, even if it’s with barbed wire.
 
Despite many eloquent posts on here from people like Don Ruggero, I’m still at a loss as to why we care so much about mending fences with Protestants who won’t accept Catholic rules.
 
If it helps, these are liturgical Protestants who believe in the real presence. I understand that it can be difficult to get on board with the movement when dealing with the more fundamentalist evangelicals of North America.
 
We also have Lutherans in USA, but I don’t see the Church going out of its way to bother very much about them.

There were about three Lutheran churches in the neighborhood of where I lived when I was growing up. At this point, two have shut down and the third one is being shared with an Anglican church. Meanwhile, the four Catholic churches in town are still going, though we might lose one of them due to an aging and dwindling base in that part of town. The other three have fairly large attendances.

I know in Germany, Lutherans are more of a force to be reckoned with, but with the numbers of these Protestant churches shrinking over time, it seems like eventually they may just disappear.
 
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If it helps, these are liturgical Protestants who believe in the real presence. I understand that it can be difficult to get on board with the movement when dealing with the more fundamentalist evangelicals of North America.
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Yeah, but did you read Archbishop Chaput’s post? Even if the believe in the real presence, they believe it in a Lutheran way, not a Catholic / Orthodox way.

Lutherans don’t believe in the same 7 Sacraments as us. Therefore, their belief in the nature of Eucharist is not the same as ours, because they don’t share the same view of the Sacrament of Holy Orders as we do, which is fundamental for the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
 
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