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StrawberryJam
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You can give us all the christian doctrine you wish, but it is not passing the sniff test to simply declare it so.
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Cristiano
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Are you for real?
This is a discussion about Christian doctrine. If you are not a Christian you do not have any reason to discuss this topic. I agree with you that this topic does not belong in a general philosophy forum, but it is still a philosophical question.
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StrawberryJam
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Christian doctrine? Or Chrisitan Catholic doctrine? Non catholic christians support opposing views on this and many other topics.Are you for real?
This is a discussion about Christian doctrine. If you are not a Christian you do not have any reason to discuss this topic. I agree with you that this topic does not belong in a general philosophy forum, but it is still a philosophical question.
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Cristiano
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Which Christians disagree on the concept of heaven or hell?
Which Christian disagree on the fact that humans have body and soul?
Please specify which are the opposing views on the resurrection of the body or whatever you are thinking of.
What disagreement on other topics has anything to do with this one?
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StrawberryJam
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Cristiano,
Not all that proclaim Christ as Lord and Messiah and Saviour and God and have hope in resurrection believe in a hell that is physical flesh burning for eternity. Not only is that an optional belief to hold, it is an insane one that defies all of what we know about what the body can withstand.
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catholictiger
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no disrespect to you or anything but could we please keep this debate out of this thread I want this thread to be focused on the question where are the condemned bound for hell bodies going to be after the resurrection of the body?
if you want to debate this dammed souls thing please start a thread about it.
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Cristiano
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Optional belief to hold? Not for Bible Christians. Insane belief? What do you know about the resurrected body? The only thing that we know is about the corruptible body that we have now.
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StrawberryJam
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Your thread title is:
What happens to the bodies of the (sic)dammed?
The correct way to spell damned is damned. Not dammed. Just a tip.
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StrawberryJam
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Are you telling me that there are no christians who deny a physical flesh burning, even ones who are catholic christian theologians?
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Dolllover
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Hey stay in the ground like the rest of us
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StrawberryJam
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I really don’t understand why this is in Philosophy. Do you have a guess?
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catholictiger
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sorry for the typo i make them all the time
but the bible is very clear on this
maybe we should call them Evil doers instead of the damned I just want to know where the bodies of the people who will not reach heaven will go after the resurrection of the body
its very simple
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catholictiger
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i explained why i put this here in an earlier post
some of the explanations for where they go could be philosophical in nature
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SunshineZA
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Their bodies will be cast in hell.
[, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
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even as angels were cast in hell.
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catholictiger
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where is hell
you are right but there is more to this issue then they go to hell atleast for me there is.
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GEddie
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It’s a meaningless question, because Hell is part of eternity. As such, it is real and physical, just like Heaven, and there are real human beings with genuine BODIES experiencing it. But like Heaven, it is not part of the cosmos we understand, and one cannot point a finger into space and say it is “there,” because anyplace we can see is reached by natural light through time.
It’s like asking where did our LORD go after HIS ascension. HE’s not just swimming around in deep space; but HE’s definitely somewhere physical, because HE is a human BODY. Heaven is physical, too, but we’d search in vain for it with our human eyes, because natural light cannot reflect off of eternity, it has a definite speed.
Again, to see Eternity, you need eternal eyes. And you need our LORD to breathe them open.
ICXC NIKA.
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catholictiger
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thanks againIt’s a meaningless question, because Hell is part of eternity. As such, it is real and physical, just like Heaven, and there are real human beings with genuine BODIES experiencing it. But like Heaven, it is not part of the cosmos we understand, and one cannot point a finger into space and say it is “there,” because anyplace we can see is reached by natural light through time.
It’s like asking where did our LORD go after HIS ascension. HE’s not just swimming around in deep space; but HE’s definitely somewhere physical, because HE is a human BODY. Heaven is physical, too, but we’d search in vain for it with our human eyes, because natural light cannot reflect off of eternity, it has a definite speed.
Again, to see Eternity, you need eternal eyes. And you need our LORD to breathe them open.
ICXC NIKA.
sorry if i forgot but this is still an intresting questionbut it seems you believe this
Hell will exist after the ressurection of the body
it is seperate from Heaven
but becuase we don’t know eternity we can’t see where hell it and be able to point it out.
A very good possibility
but I agree we should focus on how to get to heaven and avoid hell
but its still something interesting to bring up becuase you can really go into this deeply philosophically i think you can anyway
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JDaniel
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St. Thomas has indicated that, matter and form, as principles, make an intrinsic and essential contribution to the resultant mobile being. The soul is, after all, the union of form and matter. Our souls are not separate ethereal entities, though many of us think that is so.
Our corporeal bodies do not precisely constitute the union of form and (primary) matter, per se, but, proceed from that union. Our corporeal bodies corrupt, but, our form/matter union does not. All is in God, but not part of God. Our corrupted exoderms become other entities or matter. IMHO, our matters and forms resolve back into that state that was obtained at the very moment of conception, when it was neither, a “soul”, or purely corporeal. That exact point at which God introduced our forms to our matters.
Our corporeal bodies are, in effect, secondary matter, as are all corporeal bodies. So, think of our souls as a primary matter/form unions and our beings as secondary matter+primary matter+form compositions.
My thoughts. Feel free to correct.
God bless,
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Our corporeal bodies do not precisely constitute the union of form and (primary) matter, per se, but, proceed from that union. Our corporeal bodies corrupt, but, our form/matter union does not. All is in God, but not part of God. Our corrupted exoderms become other entities or matter. IMHO, our matters and forms resolve back into that state that was obtained at the very moment of conception, when it was neither, a “soul”, or purely corporeal. That exact point at which God introduced our forms to our matters.
Our corporeal bodies are, in effect, secondary matter, as are all corporeal bodies. So, think of our souls as a primary matter/form unions and our beings as secondary matter+primary matter+form compositions.
My thoughts. Feel free to correct.
God bless,
jd
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JDaniel
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Catholictiger,thanks again
but it seems you believe this
Hell will exist after the ressurection of the body
it is seperate from Heaven
but becuase we don’t know eternity we can’t see where hell it and be able to point it out.
A very good possibility
but I agree we should focus on how to get to heaven and avoid hell
but its still something interesting to bring up becuase you can really go into this deeply philosophically i think you can anyway
You must go toward God, not away from Him. I’m sorry if that upsets some atheists. But, that’s the Truth as I see it. And, it isn’t too complicated.
God bless,
jd
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catholictiger
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i hope you don’t think im growing away from God
i am very devote in my faith and im just trying to get a deeper knowledge of it
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