What has caused the homosexual boom in our time?

[oneofmany]

Maybe from the scare of over-population? Remember the book, “The Population Bomb”? The earth was going to die from all the people inhabiting it. Now people only have 2 children to replace them, that has become the norm. It did backfire in some countries though like Japan were the population is dying out and the government is trying to give couples incentives to have children.

Encouraging people to experiment with being gay would stop them from being able to have children anyway. Remember the slogan—“try it, you may like it”?

 

[cjforJesus]

Maybe from the scare of over-population? Remember the book, “The Population Bomb”? The earth was going to die from all the people inhabiting it. Now people only have 2 children to replace them, that has become the norm. It did backfire in some countries though like Japan were the population is dying out and the government is trying to give couples incentives to have children.

Encouraging people to experiment with being gay would stop them from being able to have children anyway. Remember the slogan—“try it, you may like it”?

seriously? encouraging people to experiment with homosexuality would reduce the population? I hope our government does not hold to such illogical conclusions.

 

[pianistclare]

I made a comment before quoting you regarding something else. Then I quoted you and asked a question in reference to the quote. Sorry about the confusion.

I am asking you if you really think there was such a great amount of people with SSA back let’s say before this boom. It just seems to be so many people. I do think they are promoting their situation well, use the media well and have succeeded in getting laws passed etc…which calls a lot of attention to them. But, taking a look back in history I question that there were so many people with SSA as there are now.

I already said that I believe, yes, there were. But it was taboo to talk about it, acknowledge it, or to be “out”. There is very little stigma to it anymore, and they enjoy favor in the press and the secular world.
I thought I answered that.
Anyway, I was not confused. I didn’t like my comment being lumped in with your observation.
I’m out of this thread. Unsubscribing.

 

[Abba]

I already said that I believe, yes, there were. But it was taboo to talk about it, acknowledge it, or to be “out”. There is very little stigma to it anymore, and they enjoy favor in the press and the secular world.

I suppose it was my way of saying I disagree. Yes, there is very little stigma now but there is also a lot of promotion and encouragement of our youth to practice homosexuality which would increase the amount of people. I think there are on top of that other reason for the boom, such as, social problems (divorce, the so-called women’s liberation movement, and amongst others the sex revolution).

Anyway, I was not confused. I didn’t like my comment being lumped in with your observation.

It’s not such an awful thing to have done.

I’m out of this thread. Unsubscribing.

Tata.

 

[Abba]

I don’t think its all that new. Saint Paul mentions and speaks against it several times in his letters. I think it was just much more hidden. I think these people were treated as outcasts so many just did these things in secret.

Also with the Internet and media everything seems so much more prevelant because it is brought to attention much ore frequently than before there was TV and Internet.

I agree with you. The practice of homosexuality is not new at all. Even before Saint Paul we read in the Old Testament about the destruction of the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah (and two adjoining ones) and the case of the Benjamites. What I am wondering is in regards to the quantity we have today - the boom. I agree with the posters who have noted that the increase or the quantity is not as much as it is made out to be by the media.

Romans:

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for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.s
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While claiming to be wise,t they became fools
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and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.u
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Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts* for the mutual degradation of their bodies.v
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They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.w
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Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
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and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.x
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And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
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y They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
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and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.

origin.usccb.org/bible/romans/1/

1 Corinthians, Chapter 6

• Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes* nor sodomitesc
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  nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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  That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

origin.usccb.org/bible/1corinthians/6/

1 Timothy, Chapter 1

• We know that the law is good, provided that one uses it as law,g
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  with the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for the lawless and unruly, the godless and sinful, the unholy and profane, those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers,
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  the unchaste, sodomites,* kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is opposed to sound teaching

origin.usccb.org/bible/1timothy/1/

Sodom and Gomorrah:

Genesis 19
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19

Benjamites:

Judges 1920 “You are welcome at my house,” the old man said. “Let me supply whatever you need. Only don’t spend the night in the square.” 21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink.

22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%2019&version=NIV

I think one problem is the bunching of all who suffer from SSA with those who practice it out of pure perversion and other groups.

 

[GEddie]

seriously? encouraging people to experiment with homosexuality would reduce the population? I hope our government does not hold to such illogical conclusions.

It will, to a limited extent.

The biological norm was courtship in the teens and marriage/children starting in the low 20s (with some leeway for schooling and career beginnings).

Now the norm is to spend the teens and low 20s experimenting with one’s sexuality and the rest of the 20s playing relationship games. Children, if at all, are pushed back almost a decade and already out of the biological peak years.

That alone will lower the population some. (ITASM).

ICXC NIKA

 

[SwizzleStick]

I am just realizing in reading this thread that the vast majority of homosexuals I “know” are fictional characters on television, in movies, and in books.

One rarely encounters them in real life.

That has been my experience also.

Here is a link to a thread that I posted seven years ago (nearly to the day).

Do you know anyone who is homosexual?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=250261

To my knowledge, I still don’t know anyone who is homosexual. Perhaps that will change with this latest issue.

 

[SwizzleStick]

I forgot to answer the original question: What has caused the homosexual boom in our time?

I would guess acceptance, “normalization,” the anything goes mindset, the blurring of the lines between genders and roles? Maybe there is another physical reason too, perhaps birth control hormones in the water source (that sounds silly and maybe not at all feasible, but that is change so who knows?).

Or, maybe there really is no boom. Maybe the number has been steady and low and we just hear more about it today because it is acceptable to more people?

 

[EasterJoy]

I forgot to answer the original question: What has caused the homosexual boom in our time?

I would guess acceptance, “normalization,” the anything goes mindset, the blurring of the lines between genders? Maybe there is another physical reason too, perhaps birth control hormones in the water source (that sounds silly and maybe not at all feasible, but that is change so who knows?).

If I were forced to guess, I’d say a combination of population stress (of the sort that increases homosexual and decreases heterosexual behaviors in animals), removal of taboo, and these days a sort of heroic popular validation. There are a lot of very confused people out there, too. These are times when self-definition is a very prevalent emotional problem.

 

[cjforJesus]

It will, to a limited extent.

The biological norm was courtship in the teens and marriage/children starting in the low 20s (with some leeway for schooling and career beginnings).

Now the norm is to spend the teens and low 20s experimenting with one’s sexuality and the rest of the 20s playing relationship games. Children, if at all, are pushed back almost a decade and already out of the biological peak years.

That alone will lower the population some. (ITASM).

ICXC NIKA

I don’t mean to be rude ,but are you being serious?

 

[cjforJesus]

I agree with you. The practice of homosexuality is not new at all. Even before Saint Paul we read in the Old Testament about the destruction of the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah (and two adjoining ones) and the case of the Benjamites. What I am wondering is in regards to the quantity we have today - the boom. I agree with the posters who have noted that the increase or the quantity is not as much as it is made out to be by the media.

origin.usccb.org/bible/romans/1/

origin.usccb.org/bible/1corinthians/6/

origin.usccb.org/bible/1timothy/1/

Sodom and Gomorrah:
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19

Benjamites:

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%2019&version=NIV

I think one problem is the bunching of all who suffer from SSA with those who practice it out of pure perversion and other groups.

Thank you for this post,Abba. You pointed out some great scripture verses. Same sex attraction is just one of many disordered orientations, though because of societies acceptance it is the most vocal group.

People are attracted to all sorts of things.Some have feet and shoe fetishes and others like to be dominated or hit. I read recently though that the final battle will be over intergenerational sexual intimacy which is defined as sex between adults and children or other family members… It is sort of creepy to see Kinseys dream coming true in my lifetime though.

 

[jmcrae]

I don’t mean to be rude ,but are you being serious?

Why not? His idea makes sense to me, too. Get the young people wasting their fertile years on unproductive activities of any kind and they’re bound to have a lot fewer children.

 

[DarkLight]

I suspect there’s also an increasing tendency to label anyone with any degree of SSA as “homosexual.” Previous generations would have considered a man who had some degree of attraction to men, but was primarily oriented to women, as a straight man, at least so long as he didn’t engage in any obvious behavior. Nowadays such a person is more likely to be considered a gay man.

 

[Allegra]

I think that in the past, homosexual people just got married and lived normal lives because that’s what everyone did. Some sought professions that became a vocation for them and took up their time and talent. Those that did engage in homosexual relationships kept them discrete. With the rise of a “homosexual community” other options for alternate lifestyles are now available, supported, and even celebrated. In short, I think there has been a rise in people with homosexual attraction at all.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Holy Cow!! I just read that article. Kind of scary to think “the elite” have driven this whole thing. And for what? 4% of our population? What are they working on now?

Thanks Marco. God Bless You.

Likewise. :tiphat:

 

[PLinz]

Richard the Lionheart had male sexual partners

That hasn’t been conclusively found (it’s actually less likely than more likely). There’s still a fair amount of controversy about it (though scholars have lately been pushing it for political reasons, just like they’ve done with various other historical figures - e.g. da Vinci).

 

[PLinz]

Holy Cow!! I just read that article. Kind of scary to think “the elite” have driven this whole thing. And for what? 4% of our population? What are they working on now?

Thanks Marco. God Bless You.

1.6%, give or take. Here’s the source: cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

1.6%, give or take. Here’s the source: cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf

It is weird how such a tiny number, a really fringe group has become the symbol of the progressive struggle against history, nature and all authority.

I am always amazed by people who lead very mainstream lives in terms of having a very traditional family life, who sneer at the mention of traditional family and its values. I honestly don’t understand what goes on in their heads and how they have come to at the same time strive to live in a traditional family and despise it in the name of new tolerance. The whole thing is so incredibly insane and I believe Brendan O’Neill, linked previously, is right: it was a top down project, most people are easily led like sheep and the support for homosexual ‘marriage’ is a great example of mass conformity.

 

[Xantippe]

I suspect there’s also an increasing tendency to label anyone with any degree of SSA as “homosexual.” Previous generations would have considered a man who had some degree of attraction to men, but was primarily oriented to women, as a straight man, at least so long as he didn’t engage in any obvious behavior. Nowadays such a person is more likely to be considered a gay man.

A few thoughts:

1. In many traditional societies, it’s thought normal for boys to have a period of same sex experimentation with peers (see English boarding schools, for example). As long as a boy “graduated” to women eventually, he wouldn’t be considered homosexual or consider himself anything but a normal, red-blooded guy.
2. Likewise, there’s a lot of traditional opportunistic homosexuality among adults (in prison, for example). As long as the preference is for women (when one is available), a man might consider himself heterosexual.
3. Also, in some traditional societies, it’s possible for a man to have sexual contact with more “effeminate” men and consider himself a “normal” manly man. He’s not homosexual–that would be those other people!
4. It’s even fuzzier with women. Girls are pretty! Lots of women experience sexual feelings toward other women while living “normal” heterosexual lives.

Here, I think culture starts being even more important than it is with men.

“Psychologist John Buss estimates that for most of human history, perhaps 2% of women have been lesbian or bisexual (see note 1, below). Not any more. Recent surveys of teenage girls and young women find that roughly 15% of young females today self-identify as lesbian or bisexual, compared with about 5% of young males who identify as gay or bisexual (see note 2, below).”

psychologytoday.com/blog/sax-sex/201004/why-are-so-many-girls-lesbian-or-bisexual

 

[Yeoman]

I haven’t read through all of this, but one thing to keep in mind is that we’re hearing a lot of talk, but that doesn’t necessary mean that there’s been a big increase in the percentage of people with same gender attraction. What I suspect is:

1. There’s a lot more talk, but probably not a huge increase in the number of people with the condition.
2. People who self identify with the condition are more common, because a), they have it and the social stigma is largely gone; b) there’s so much more talk that people who have the condition to some marginal (or perhaps more) degree in a prior era but who would have not acknowledged or self identified in that way previously now are; and c) there’s a huge industry promoting it right now; and d) it’s sort of hip and cool right now, so people who don’t have the condition will claim they do.

That last one sounds odd, but a person can always tell when some condition or class of any kind that was at one time looked down upon no longer is when the great followers suddenly claim to have it and be oppressed. Any number of Hollywood Starlets now identify in this fashion and chances are, in other eras, they’d be some other formerly oppressed class.

1. There may actually be more due to some environmental or social condition, which is something we should consider. Some who have studied this claim that the condition tends to manifest itself where a child has the parent of his gender basically checking out and the other parent provides the parenting role for both. And frankly in the two instances of which I know somebody with this condition, that’s true to varying degrees. Both instances involve women, and in one case the mother was really checked out while the father was really dialed in, and did indeed to the whole parenting role while the mother collapsed into mental illness and alcohol. In the other instance, a brother was assaulting his sister repeatedly in the worst way, and I don’t think she actually has the attraction so much as she’s really afraid of men but still has a maternal instinct.

If this is right, we as Catholics have a double problem to consider, or we as a society in general do. One is that our modern economy, which has been criticized by at least two Popes in the past century (more or less) strongly favors separating spouses from their children and each other almost every day, and that isn’t really natural. Secondly, the experiment the Supreme Court has now launched us into will almost certainly result in confused children in future years with many more interesting problems.