What has provoked muslim violence?

[sedonaman]

Some post shows a complete and dangerous lack of comprehension. Islam is a religion, not a terrorist group.
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When you compare all of Islam to these terrorists, you essentially say every Sunday clothed bible reading Christian is a Branch Dividian fundamentalist. The linking of such actions to Islam or the Qur’an is incorrect. Rather, such inhumane actions clearly contradict the teachings of Islam …

You are the one with the dangerous lack of comprehension:

… dualism is the foundation and key to understanding Islam. Everything about Islam comes in twos starting with its foundational declaration: (1) there is no god but Allah and (2) Mohammed is His prophet. Therefore, Islam is Allah (Koran) and the Sunna (words and deeds of Mohammed found in the Sira and Hadith).

Endless ink has been wasted on trying to answer the question of what is Islam? Is Islam the religion of peace? Or is the true Islam a radical ideology? Is a moderate Muslim the real Muslim?
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All of Western logic is based upon the law of contradiction – if two things contradict, then at least one of them is false. But Islamic logic is dualistic; two things can contradict each other and both are true.

No dualistic system may be measured by one answer. This is the reason that the arguments about what constitutes the “real” Islam go on and on and are never resolved. A single right answer does not exist.

Dualistic systems can be measured only by statistics. It is futile to argue one side of the dualism is true. As an analogy, quantum mechanics always gives a statistical answer to all questions.

For an example of using statistics, look at the question: what is the real jihad, the jihad of inner, spiritual struggle or the jihad of war? Let’s turn to Bukhari (the Hadith) for the answer, as he repeatedly speaks of jihad. In Bukhari 97% of the jihad references are about war and 3% are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle. Is jihad war? Yes – 97%. Is jihad inner struggle? Yes – 3%.

… almost every argument about Islam can be answered by: all of the above. Both sides of the duality are right.

… Let’s examine the ethical basis of our civilization. All of our politics and ethics are based upon a unitary ethic that is best formulated in the Golden Rule:
Treat others as you would be treated.
The basis of this rule is the recognition that at one level, we are all the same. We … do not have equal abilities. But everyone wants to be treated as a human being. In particular, we all want to be equal under the law and be treated as social equals. On the basis of the Golden Rule – the equality of human beings – we have created democracy, ended slavery, and treat women and men as political equals. So the Golden Rule is a unitary ethic. All people are to be treated the same. All religions have some version of the Golden Rule except Islam.

… The term “human being” has no meaning inside of Islam.[1] There is no such thing as humanity, only the duality of the believer and unbeliever. Look at the ethical statements found in the Hadith. A Muslim should not lie, cheat, kill, or steal from other Muslims. But a Muslim may lie, deceive, or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam.

There is no such thing as a universal statement of ethics in Islam. Muslims are to be treated one way and unbelievers another way. The closest Islam comes to a universal statement of ethics is that the entire world must submit to Islam. After Mohammed became a prophet, he never treated an unbeliever the same as a Muslim. Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule.

By the way, this dualistic ethic is the basis for jihad. The ethical system sets up the unbeliever as less than human and therefore, it is easy to kill, harm, or deceive the unbeliever.

… all of science is based upon the law of contradiction. If two things contradict each other, then at least one of them has to be false. But inside of Islamic logic, two contradictory statements can both be true. Islam uses dualistic logic and we use unitary scientific logic.

Since Islam has a dualistic logic and dualistic ethics, it is completely foreign to us. Muslims think differently from us and feel differently from us. So our aversion is based upon fear and a rejection of Islamic ethics and logic. This aversion causes us to avoid learning about Islam so we are ignorant and stay ignorant.

Another part of the aversion is the realization that there is no compromise with dualistic ethics. There is no halfway place between unitary ethics and dualistic ethics. … In short, Islamic politics, ethics, and logic cannot be part of our civilization. Islam does not assimilate, it dominates. There is never any “getting along” with Islam. Its demands never cease and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: submission.

… Religious Islam is what a Muslim does to avoid Hell and go to Paradise. These are the Five Pillars – prayer, charity to Muslims, pilgrimage to Mecca, fasting, and declaring Mohammed to be the final prophet.

But the Trilogy (Koran, Sira, and Hadith) is clear about the doctrine. At least 75% of the Sira (life of Mohammed) is about jihad. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the unbelievers, or politics. Of the Koran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the unbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari’s Hadith is about jihad and politics. Religion is the smallest part of Islamic foundational texts.

Source: B. Warner, “The Study of Political Islam” [Emphasis added]

Note 1. This is why Muslims have been taught not to believe that everyone is created in the image and likeness of God.

So, if you don’t think a religion should have some form of the Golden Rule, then what is your definition of religion?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

“Thou shalt not kill”. As usual, you resort to tu quoques to justify Muslim violence. Murder is murder no matter who does it and Tiller’s murder cannot be condoned. It is just as sinful as the killing of babies in an abortion clinic.

What a frightening thing it is to claim, as you have done that “religion can give one a comforting motivation to resort to violence”. Not surprising that you think that way, since the Quran is full of exhortations promoting it.

Vickie

Funny, isn’t it? Pro-aborts only seem to have a moral issue with murder when it’s not being done in an abortion mill.

Aparently, all of this muslim violence and hate against america started in 1973. The same year the ‘supreme’ court legalized infinticide in the womb.

Maybe the terrorism is a result of God passing judgment on this country for abortion?

 

[dzheremi]

Aparently, all of this muslim violence and hate against america started in 1973. The same year the ‘supreme’ court legalized infinticide in the womb.

Maybe the terrorism is a result of God passing judgment on this country for abortion?

Huh?

 

[lid2]

CWBetts,

I won’t get into comparing Islam to other religions but I need to clarify one part that is always misunderstood.

Islam is to be interpreted according to the time and place one lives in. Otherwise, it’ll lead to all these controversies and make people think that the ones who really practice Islam are in fact those terrorists. And it is not correct…

It’s true that Qur’an demands Muslims to fight (jihad) but only in DEFENDING Islam. Phrases describe how Muslims should act if and when they are ATTACKED by non-Muslims, i.e. in DEFENDING their faith. Otherwise they’re required to live in peace and to be just with members of any other faith.

Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. As Muslims see it, injustice would be triumphant in the world if good men were not prepared to risk their lives in a righteous cause. The Quran says:

Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. (2:190)

If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. (8:61)

War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term jihad literally means ‘Struggle’, and Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other ‘jihad’ is the inner struggle which everyone wages against egotistic desires, for the sake of attaining inner peace.

The Holy Quran

Surah 60. Al-Mumtahana

[60:8] - Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just…

[60:9] - Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong…

AL-Amaidah [5:82] Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

[5:83] And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! We believe; write us down among the witnesses.

[5:32] whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one; it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

So it is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.

 

[CWBetts]

CWBetts,

I won’t get into comparing Islam to other religions but I need to clarify one part that is always misunderstood.

Islam is to be interpreted according to the time and place one lives in. Otherwise, it’ll lead to all these controversies and make people think that the ones who really practice Islam are in fact those terrorists. And it is not correct…

It’s true that Qur’an demands Muslims to fight (jihad) but only in DEFENDING Islam. Phrases describe how Muslims should act if and when they are ATTACKED by non-Muslims, i.e. in DEFENDING their faith. Otherwise they’re required to live in peace and to be just with members of any other faith.

Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. As Muslims see it, injustice would be triumphant in the world if good men were not prepared to risk their lives in a righteous cause. The Quran says:

Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. (2:190)

If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. (8:61)

War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term jihad literally means ‘Struggle’, and Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other ‘jihad’ is the inner struggle which everyone wages against egotistic desires, for the sake of attaining inner peace.

The Holy Quran

Surah 60. Al-Mumtahana

[60:8] - Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just…

[60:9] - Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong…

AL-Amaidah [5:82] Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

[5:83] And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! We believe; write us down among the witnesses.

[5:32] whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one; it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

So it is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.

Toloerant of others my eye! Islam is as tolerant of the Jews as Nazis were.

 

[Agabriel]

Some post shows a complete and dangerous lack of comprehension. Islam is a religion, not a terrorist group. The media classifies Muslims as “terrorists,” “highjackers” and “kidnappers.” So why would anyone even look at Islam? Why are so many priests and preachers going to Islam?

David Karesh was a Christian, shall we ban all Christian momentous?
When you compare all of Islam to these terrorists, you essentially say every Sunday clothed bible reading Christian is a Branch Dividian fundamentalist. The linking of such actions to Islam or the Qur’an is incorrect. Rather, such inhumane actions clearly contradict the teachings of Islam - just as the bombing at Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh and the killings that occurred at Abraham Mosque, Hebron - Philistine by Dr. Baruch Goldstein clearly contradict the teachings of Christianity and Judaism, respectively.

Well, I disagree with you about it being a religion and not being a terrorist group.

Quran surah 4, allah recruits suicide bombers: ‘Those who barter their life in this world for the next should fight in the way of Allah; whether he is killed or victorious, a glorious reward awaits.’ ‘Urge the believers to fight to keep back the might of the Infidels.’ ‘Seize them and kill them wherever they are.’

Ishaq:576 ‘Allah and Muhammed humiliated every coward and made our religion victorious… I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink…’

In one hadith Muhammad boasted, “I have been made victorious through terror”. Bukhari 4:52.220

I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose allah and his apostle. Quran 8:12

Allah said, ‘No prophet before Muhammed took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammed said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. the earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five priviledges were awarded to no prophet before me’. Ishaq 326

Surah 8:5 from the 5 translations of the Quran.
AA As your Lord sent you from your home (to fight) for the true cause, a section of the faithful were averse,
NQ As your Lord caused you (O Muhammad SAW) to go out from your home withthe truth, and verily, a party among the believers disliked it;
PK Even as thy Lord caused thee (Muhammad) to go forth from thy home with the Truth, and lo! a party of the believers were averse (to it).
SH Even as your Lord caused you to go forth from your house with the truth, though a party of the believers were surely averse;
YU Just as thy Lord ordered thee out of thy house in truth, even though a party among the Believers disliked it,

And the Quran also says that the Muslims who do not fight are hypocrites and are to be killed too if they do not give of their wealth, but they are not equal to those who fight.

Quran 9:88 ‘The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s cause.’

surah 4 - ‘Muslims who sit idle are not equal to those who fight in Allah’s cause with their wealth and lives, Allah has exalted those who fight for Islam.’

Quran 33:26 ‘Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And he made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.’

Islamic Sira: Ishaq:587 'Our onslaught will not be a weak flattering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to

Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight no caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.’

I could go on since there is so much in the Quran, Sira and Hadith to prove that Islam is indeed a religion of terror.

 

[Agabriel]

CWBetts,

I won’t get into comparing Islam to other religions but I need to clarify one part that is always misunderstood.

Islam is to be interpreted according to the time and place one lives in. Otherwise, it’ll lead to all these controversies and make people think that the ones who really practice Islam are in fact those terrorists. And it is not correct…

It’s true that Qur’an demands Muslims to fight (jihad) but only in DEFENDING Islam. Phrases describe how Muslims should act if and when they are ATTACKED by non-Muslims, i.e. in DEFENDING their faith. Otherwise they’re required to live in peace and to be just with members of any other faith.

Like Christianity, Islam permits fighting in self-defense, in defense of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes. It lays down strict rules of combat which include prohibitions against harming civilians and against destroying crops, trees and livestock. As Muslims see it, injustice would be triumphant in the world if good men were not prepared to risk their lives in a righteous cause. The Quran says:

Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. (2:190)

If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. (8:61)

War, therefore, is the last resort, and is subject to the rigorous conditions laid down by the sacred law. The term jihad literally means ‘Struggle’, and Muslims believe that there are two kinds of jihad. The other ‘jihad’ is the inner struggle which everyone wages against egotistic desires, for the sake of attaining inner peace.

The Holy Quran

Surah 60. Al-Mumtahana

[60:8] - Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just…

[60:9] - Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong…

AL-Amaidah [5:82] Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

[5:83] And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: "Our Lord! We believe; write us down among the witnesses.

[5:32] whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one; it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

So it is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world. History provides many examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faiths: when the caliph Omar entered Jerusalem in the year634, Islam granted freedom of worship to all religious communities in the city.

hhhmmm, I don’t see you telling us about abrogation, or the weaker surahs. Basically where the Quran contradicts itself or Allah contradicts himself.

but, as for, ‘So it is one function of Islamic law to protect the privileged status of minorities, and this is why non-Muslim places of worship have flourished all over the Islamic world.’ this is bunk too. the persecution of Christians and Jews have actually increased in the 20th century so that there is a tiny minority.

And why would they need to be protected? From whom do they need to be protected from? And why can’t they vote, work in a political office, build/repair churches, have any rights under sharia laws if anyone (such as a Muslim) does anything bad to them, or even show that they are Christian by wearing a cross, or carrying a Bible or anything such as that?

Because they are NOT free - they are subjugated and to be humiliated daily. They are to pay the Jizya tax and sometimes that tax is so burdensome, they cannot pay it. They even, quite often, get taxed as they lay in their graves. Their children are not safe and their lands are not safe.

This is just a fairy tale you are writing.

 

[Agabriel]

Toloerant of others my eye! Islam is as tolerant of the Jews as Nazis were.

It is why Mein Kampf and the Quran can be compared so easily.

What both Hitler and Muhammed did was to denigrate, or dehumanize, the Jews. It makes it easier for people to carry on atrocities against a people when they dehumanize them.

the passages in the Qur’an in which Allah curses Jews and transforms them into apes and pigs (2:62-65; 5:59-60; 7:166).

By using religious forces for political purposes, Hitler awakens a spirit most would not have believed possible. ‘Righteous Providence’ and also Hitler’s ‘Fate’ are comparable to Allah. ‘Fate’ in Mein Kampf is always capitalized and used in place of ‘God’ by Hitler.

• Mein Kampf: 120 ‘but once it is in danger of being oppressed, it is justified in fighting with all available weapons. For any man who is not willing to fight, righteous Providence has already decreed his doom. The world is not intended for the cowardly.’

 

[GraceDK]

I wish to know why muslims are willing to blow them selves up and
innocent people?

…

Dear brother,
There are social, cultural and religious reasons for violence. Religious violence is a great perversion of beauty, because it claims to serve God. But God is Love and every human person is created in God’s own image and likeness.
We cannot seperate Hamas or Taliban from Islamism. And we cannot seperate islamism from Islams revelations, Koran and Hadith. Fx. it says in Sharia law: “Whoever changes his religion, kill him!” (Bukhari hadith)
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but you will find that the more fundamentalist a muslim becomes the more he will isolate himself - and to not be willing to meet other kinds of people always fosters more misconceptions - and litterally interpret Muhammad and his actions as a role model, which is dangerous because Muhammad did some really horrible stuff to the people that didn’t believe in his prophetic mission.

So I’d say read the Koran and Hadith, or if you have less time you can read a small book written by a former Muslim: Daniel Ali: Inside Islam.

Islamism like any ISM, seeks to wipe out people that hold other oppinions than the ISM it self. Christianity is a contradiction to the Islamic world view and thus a burden for islamists…
Islam, furthermore, seems to foster a so-called victim mentality, where muslim cultures lack self-scrutiny, lack religious freedom/freedom of conscience, and lack humility. Humility is seen as weakness. Also there is an honour-concept that is foreign to Christian thinking.

Throughout history different ideologies and religions have made attempts to create a “pure society”. Islam is now in their phase of that experiment… its sad to see the casualties…

Peace to you.

 

[GraceDK]

Some post shows a complete and dangerous lack of comprehension. Islam is a religion, not a terrorist group. .

The problem is not that Islam is a religion, Lid, the problem is that Islam is an ideology. Religion - that is: relationship with the Almighty- is per definition a personal thing. An ideology is something that seeks political dominance over everyone. Islam/sharia is a contradiction to democracy and secular justice systems. .
That’s why I equal communism and nazism with islamism, because these take their opponents and cast them in prison, subdue them, kill them etc. We see this today all over the muslim world. You cannot talk, eat, dress or believe what you want but the political religion of islam seeks to dominate even those who do not believe in islams concepts of justice. This is the problem. Try empathy and you might understand it too.

peace.

 

[sedonaman]

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I won’t get into comparing Islam to other religions but I need to clarify one part that is always misunderstood.
Islam is to be interpreted according to the time and place one lives in.

We’ve been told by Muslims that Islam is the true word of Allah for all times and places. If your statement is correct, then we should interpret the Crusades according to the time and place the Crusaders lived in.

Otherwise, it’ll lead to all these controversies and make people think that the ones who really practice Islam are in fact those terrorists. And it is not correct…

To paraphrase a famous 1950s quiz show, “Will the real Islam please stand up?!!” Muslims like to brag that Islam beat the West in many [if not all] scientific discoveries. Isaac Newton observed that for every force there was an equal but opposite force, and I have to hand it to Mohammed for beating him by 1,000 years: for every passage in Islamic text, there is an equal but opposite one. We are by now all well aware of abrogation, and we’ve been over this ground many times before and are familiar with Muslim circular reasoning. To answer, “What is Islam?”, one need only say, “All the above”, because there is a passage to prove anything. However, a statistical study is the only way to analyze a dualistic system like Islam. Is Islam peace? Yes 3% of Islamic foundational texts; is Islam war? Yes 97%. Is jihad an inner struggle? Yes 2%. Is jihad war against un-believers? Yes 98%. So it’s no accident that religion is the smallest part of Islamic foundational texts. The best description of Islam is a Mafia with a manual: It takes over territory; it eliminates the competition; it runs a “protection” racket; and you are in it for life.

It’s true that Qur’an demands Muslims to fight (jihad) but only in DEFENDING Islam. Phrases describe how Muslims should act if and when they are ATTACKED by non-Muslims, i.e. in DEFENDING their faith. Otherwise they’re required to live in peace and to be just with members of any other faith.

I’m glad you emphasized the words you did because their definitions are important. The Muslim definitions of “defense” and “attack” are not the same as the Western understanding. Islam was born of the notion that it should rule the world, what it considers the “normal” state of affairs, so anyone or anything standing in the way of its ultimate goal is waging “aggressive” war against Islam, ergo, the mere existence of non-believers is an “attack” against Islam, and Islam must “defend” itself. That is why Islam’s wars from Medina through the Middle East, North Africa and Spain, to Southern France, and through Eastern Europe to the gates of Vienna were “defensive”. Some Muslims go so far as to claim these wars needed to be fought to ensure that Islam “got a fair break” and could be practiced without “persecution” – never mind that Muslims could have reached that goal if they had just remained in Arabia.

Obviously, not all Muslims are terrorists, but the fact that most Muslims do not practice their real religion, or think it’s something else, don’t define Islamic doctrine any more than non-practicing Catholics, and what they think, define Catholicism; Islamic texts do define Islam, and it is becoming more and more clear that the real Islam is war, conquest, and death. Ayatollah Khomeini summed it up rather well:

Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam [Sharia] is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under Light Celestial [Sharia] Law.

Those Muslims who say that Islam counsels against war are deceivers, for deception is mandatory if it advances Islam. Those unbelievers who pretend Islam is peaceful are [to Islam] useful fools. Islam says: “Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!” Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the unbelievers? Islam says: “Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies.” Does this mean sitting back until the unbelievers overcome you? Islam says: “Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you!” Does it mean that you should surrender? Islam says: “Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors!” Does this mean that you should turn the other cheek?

 

[Agabriel]

the last part to your post is that Muhammed says that the Muslims who do not fight, or give their wealth and morale to Jihadists, are hypocrits and, according to Muhammed, are on the same level as the Kufir - they should be killed too.

I took about a week off and this is one of the more glaring things that stared me in the eyes is this part about the true peaceful Muslims being hypocrits.

This is why we see Muslims celebrate after such attacks as 9/11, or silence after such attacks as Mumbai, or protests in defense of Hamas, or Muslim charities shut down, etc. It is because they are indeed in the group that cannot be considered ***true ***peaceful Muslims. Because they are afraid of being labeled a hypocrit in Allah’s ‘eyes’.

Some surahs that go into this definition of hypocrits are 59:11, 63:3-4,

Quran’s definition of a bad Muslim: are peaceful. Allah calls them hypocrites because they are unwilling to fight. It even says that peaceful

Muslims are the ‘most vile of creatures’ and that hell’s hottest fires await them.

Quran 2:190, the koran’s first mention of JIhad - you will find this passage: ‘Jihad is holy fighting in Allah’s cause with full force of numbers and weaponry.’ It is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars. By Jihad, Islam is established, Allah’s word is made superior (which means only Allah has the right to be worshiped) and Islam is propagated. If they abandon Jihad, Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape from this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.’

Quite a number of passages of Surah 2 go into this description of those who do not fight to spend for Allah’s cause, which is Jihad (which was explained in sedonaman’s post previous to this one). And I am not referring to that ‘inner struggle’ type of Jihad.

All of this is why Muslims were instructed not to take their Quran with them when they went to other’s lands to start settling. So they wouldn’t know their true intent. Now that we have the internet, all it takes is a person who is willing to take the time to read to find out and the Muslims are not used to that since they have enjoyed almost 1400 years of infidels being ignorant of the Quran.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Huh?

God has handed America over to it’s enemies as part of his judgment against abortion. The economic collapse is a part of it too. He’s using the muslim terrorists to punish this nation.

 

[dzheremi]

Uh…wow…

 

[CWBetts]

God has handed America over to it’s enemies as part of his judgment against abortion. The economic collapse is a part of it too. He’s using the muslim terrorists to punish this nation.

Are you for real? I see you are an Evangelical. Where is that in the Bible? It seems to me you may be adding to the Scriptures.

 

[sedonaman]

… Where is that in the Bible? It seems to me you may be adding to the Scriptures.

Ever hear of the Babylonian Captivity?

 

[CWBetts]

Ever hear of the Babylonian Captivity?

Of courde I have. I have read the Bible several times. I just think that the idea that God has “turned us over” is ludicrous! Why? THis country has never been pleasing to God! Our country has been guilty of genocide and slavery. Predjudice (an intrinsic evil) runs rampant, evn to this day. We have been involved in one unjust war after another. To say that the evil of abortion is the only evil that God cares about is simply stupid. In the 1950’s, the United States had unprecedented prosperity, and we had institutionalized racism. In antebellum south, whites prospered, even as we exterinated Native Americans and kept slaves. No, the problems we are facing now are entirely man-made. God has allowed them to happen, he did not make them happen.

 

[GraceDK]

God has handed America over to it’s enemies as part of his judgment against abortion. The economic collapse is a part of it too. He’s using the muslim terrorists to punish this nation.

But I think you are wrong. Do not get God and the devil mixed up, please. God does not send terrorism on America. The devil does. Our sin does… its a vicious circle: sin does create catastrophe. God does not.
The punishment for sin has been put on Christ and that’s sufficient.
Jesus said to the diciples: “The tower collapsed over the men in Siloa, but do you really think that the reason was that they were more guilty than others? No. I tell you… But if you do not repent you too will perish”.

You see what Christ says to such logics…

 

[KingAlfred]

I wish to know why muslims are willing to blow them selves up and
innocent people?

What provoked these actions?
What exactly did christians do to provoke all the violence?

What exactly did jews do?

What is realy going on in these countries?

Islamic Fundamentalism is mostly to blame. It’s primitive, violent, oppressive, ignorant. Islamic Fundamentalists will always cause trouble, wherever they live. Pouring fuel on this fire is America’s support of Israel, and Israel’s perceived mistreatment of the Palestinians. That’s about it, IMO.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

But I think you are wrong. Do not get God and the devil mixed up, please. God does not send terrorism on America. The devil does. Our sin does… its a vicious circle: sin does create catastrophe. God does not.
The punishment for sin has been put on Christ and that’s sufficient.
Jesus said to the diciples: “The tower collapsed over the men in Siloa, but do you really think that the reason was that they were more guilty than others? No. I tell you… But if you do not repent you too will perish”.

You see what Christ says to such logics…

Whenever Israel turned their backs on God, He responded by removing His protection from them and their enemies were allowed to invade and lead them into captivity. America has turned its back on God also, and the same is happening here.