What has provoked muslim violence?

[Chris_LaRock]

Are you for real? I see you are an Evangelical. Where is that in the Bible? It seems to me you may be adding to the Scriptures.

I read it in Habakkuk. Israel fell into apostacy and God handed them over to their enemies as part of His judgment. Everything that’s going on with America and terrorism makes sense when you look at what takes place here today and look at how God has delt with nations that willingly break His commandments.

 

[sedonaman]

If I am responsible for this thread getting OT, I regret it. Let’s all get back onto “What has provoked Muslim violence?”.

Peace.

sedonaman

 

[CWBetts]

I read it in Habakkuk. Israel fell into apostacy and God handed them over to their enemies as part of His judgment. Everything that’s going on with America and terrorism makes sense when you look at what takes place here today and look at how God has delt with nations that willingly break His commandments.

What of the other evils the United States has been guilty of throught its history? Did God decide those sins didn’t matter?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

What of the other evils the United States has been guilty of throught its history? Did God decide those sins didn’t matter?

Funny you should ask that.

President Lincoln was convinced that the civil war was part of God’s judgment against slavery.

God isn’t a casual observer, and does pass judgments when nations sin.

I know from a Catholic perspective, that sounds nutty. But America has lost its position and influence in the world as the sins became more and more repulsive.

 

[rpp]

If I am responsible for this thread getting OT, I regret it. Let’s all get back onto “What has provoked Muslim violence?”.

Peace.

sedonaman

I think the answer is very simple. One man, and one man only, has provoked Muslims to violence. This man is not George Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan or even Azriel Weizmann (first President of Israel). No the name of the man who has provoked Muslims to violence is Mohamed (b 570, d 632).

In the same manner, it was Christ who requires Christians to love their enemies, not destroy or dominate them.

 

[sedonaman]

I think the answer is very simple. One man, and one man only, has provoked Muslims to violence. This man is not George Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan or even Azriel Weizmann (first President of Israel). No the name of the man who has provoked Muslims to violence is Mohamed (b 570, d 632).

In the same manner, it was Christ who requires Christians to love their enemies, not destroy or dominate them.

P.S. I like your signature.

 

[CWBetts]

Funny you should ask that.

President Lincoln was convinced that the civil war was part of God’s judgment against slavery.

God isn’t a casual observer, and does pass judgments when nations sin.

I know from a Catholic perspective, that sounds nutty. But America has lost its position and influence in the world as the sins became more and more repulsive.

America’s greatest propperity came during the Jim Crow Era. I guess God endorses racism.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

America’s greatest propperity came during the Jim Crow Era. I guess God endorses racism.

You’re missing my point.

Whenever a nation embraces evil, God passes judgment. Sometimes his judgments come in the form of handing nations over to their enemies to be destroyed. I feel this is happening to America now.

 

[dzheremi]

That’s what I would call a self-fulfilling prophecy. I’ve never been comfortable with those Christians (or anyone else) who will point to a natural disaster or other event and say “See, God is judging us!”, because what about all those people who don’t do evil and still have terrible things happen to them? I find it hard to believe that God is so capricious. Surely there must be a difference between the farmer in the highlands of Ethiopia or a peasant in the Beqa’a valley or what have you and someone who is a worker of inequity either in the West or wherever. And yet it’s the farmer and the peasant who suffer, even though they often have only a strong faith in God to sustain them, while the stereotypical Westerner has faith in all sorts of things that aren’t God. So is it that God’s judgment is so arbitrary and out of whack with the behaviors that we have been told time and time again are pleasing or displeasing to Him, or is it that your thesis is wrong?

Why all these tornadoes through the midwest of the USA that we are told is full of God-fearing, simple people (or so the stereotype goes)? Why do famine and pestilence grip people of faith across the third world, while first world people are generally fine no matter what they believe in? Why do major earthquakes strike places like Bam, Iran or Mexico City, while places like Las Vegas remain unscathed? Was God angry with Iranian Muslims in 2003, or Mexican Catholics in 1975 or what?

As far as terrorism goes, that has been prepetrated by Muslims against non-Muslims, by Muslims against Muslims, by Christians against non-Christians, by Christians against Christians, etc. Which of these combinations is God “punishing” people, and which aren’t?

 

[CWBetts]

You’re missing my point.

Whenever a nation embraces evil, God passes judgment. Sometimes his judgments come in the form of handing nations over to their enemies to be destroyed. I feel this is happening to America now.

Was was the judgement during the Jim Crow Era? Our Nation embraced racism–an intrinsic evil–but no jusgement. Some might say “What aqbout the Great Depression?” Nice try, but no dice. The Depression ended 19 years before the Equal Rights Act and 20 years about the Voting Rights Act. Your hypothesis fails even the most basic testing.

 

[sedonaman]

Was was the judgement during the Jim Crow Era? Our Nation embraced racism–an intrinsic evil–but no jusgement. Some might say “What aqbout the Great Depression?” Nice try, but no dice. The Depression ended 19 years before the Equal Rights Act and 20 years about the Voting Rights Act. Your hypothesis fails even the most basic testing.

What has any of this to do with “What has provoked Muslim violence?”

 

[Agabriel]

You’re missing my point.

Whenever a nation embraces evil, God passes judgment. Sometimes his judgments come in the form of handing nations over to their enemies to be destroyed. I feel this is happening to America now.

Or it could be a test to see who stands up against evil and who does not. Look at what happens when evil takes over - backwardness, barbarism, cruelty, continual warfare, thugs in power, etc. All attributes of Islamic countries.

Look at what happened when we, as a nation, sat back and let the left wingers/Marxists (or some could say commies) take control of our colleges - we have a left wing that is ‘heck’ bent on turning our country into another (failed) socialist country. How many countries have to fail in socialism before we realize that it doesn’t work. It takes away incentive, innovation, and our freedoms.

But, more importantly they are also in the midst of appeasement/apologizing for Islam. They don’t know too much about it (if they did they would realize they are nothing but useful idiots), but they call us names if we do learn about it and tell others it isn’t what it is cracked up to be - it is the complete opposite of peaceful, in fact. They help to muddy the waters of knowing Islam innocently while the Muslims do it per orders of the Quran.

We can sit back and let organizations like the MSA (muslim student association with direct ties to the Muslim brotherhood) have their way with our kids and in 10-30 years we will see the result of that as we have seen when communism started infiltrating our institutions in the middle of the 20th century. Progressives, progressive liberals, etc are the result of that. What will the result of the MSA, and other Islamic sources, have on our society in a few decades? (I shudder)

We become lazy and cloudy minded when we are not confronted with what would like us to fail if we are not attacked, or at least feel threatened, by it. Just as the time that passed between the Barbary Pirates and now - we have grown ignorant of what Islam is all about. Our left wing media, and politicians, are a result of this laziness. They are nothing but products of what our colleges turn out.

 

[Agabriel]

What has any of this to do with “What has provoked Muslim violence?”

Many of us have strayed, including me.

I have tried to answer it and found it easy to stray.

Thanks for keeping us in line.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

Was was the judgement during the Jim Crow Era? Our Nation embraced racism–an intrinsic evil–but no jusgement. Some might say “What aqbout the Great Depression?” Nice try, but no dice. The Depression ended 19 years before the Equal Rights Act and 20 years about the Voting Rights Act. Your hypothesis fails even the most basic testing.

Maybe that’s because America repented of those things and allowed the civil rights movement to go forward?

 

[CWBetts]

Maybe that’s because America repented of those things and allowed the civil rights movement to go forward?

I do not believe that God is sending judgement on the United States because the majority of Americans describe themselves as Pro-Life. Our Merciful God will not destroy all because he honors the righteousness of the few. Remember God and Abraham before the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah? Or don’t you believe that part of the Bible?

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I do not believe that God is sending judgement on the United States because the majority of Americans describe themselves as Pro-Life. Our Merciful God will not destroy all because he honors the righteousness of the few. Remember God and Abraham before the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah? Or don’t you believe that part of the Bible?

The fact that a majority of Americans profess to be pro-life doesn’t change the fact that innocent blood has been shed on our soil, and continues to be shed on a daily basis. That blood cries out to be avenged. Just like Able’s blood did in Genesis. Do you believe that part?

 

[CWBetts]

The fact that a majority of Americans profess to be pro-life doesn’t change the fact that innocent blood has been shed on our soil, and continues to be shed on a daily basis. That blood cries out to be avenged. Just like Able’s blood did in Genesis. Do you believe that part?

God is longsuffering and merciful, and honors the prayers of his faithful. He will not punsih the innocentfor the crimes of the just. IF you believe that, then you believe in a differnt God than the one in the Scriptures.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

God is longsuffering and merciful, and honors the prayers of his faithful. He will not punsih the innocentfor the crimes of the just. IF you believe that, then you believe in a differnt God than the one in the Scriptures.

But is God so merciful that He neglects justice altogether?

 

[CWBetts]

But is God so merciful that He neglects justice altogether?

No, but he is not the twisted being presented bt Evangelical Protestantts think he is.

 

[rpp]

God is longsuffering and merciful, and honors the prayers of his faithful. He will not punsih the innocentfor the crimes of the just. IF you believe that, then you believe in a differnt God than the one in the Scriptures.

This is a bit off-topic, but where in Scripture has God punished the innocent?