What HAVE you heard in homilies?

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We had a great homily a few weeks ago on the need to follow the Magistrarium.

It went along the lines of:

It might seem like a lot of ‘rules and regulations’, but it is in reality Christ guiding His Church. He is the Shepherd and as a Shepherd, He leads, we are Sheep and Sheep follow.

It was great!

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I am part of a Newman Center chapel at the University of Illinois and these issues are all dealt with frequently during homilies.
 
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jccurtis:
I am part of a Newman Center chapel at the University of Illinois and these issues are all dealt with frequently during homilies.
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Wow, is the diocese in charge of your Newman Center, or a religious order?

I have actually never heard of a Newman Center before that was considered orthodox in teaching… but all of the Newman Centers I know of are overseen by Paulist priests, maybe that has something to do with it?
 
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jccurtis:
I am part of a Newman Center chapel at the University of Illinois and these issues are all dealt with frequently during homilies.
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What Newman Center do you go to? Mine is a den of dissent and heterdoxy. I will probably start attending the more Orthodox Parish in the area next year instead. Though I will stay involved as a student, because someone has to stand up for Orthodoxy.
 
Fr. Bryan at my church is VERY orthodox. As a Byzantine priest, Father is not afraid to-tell-it-like-it-has-to-be. We have a large 30foot Icon of Christ the Teacher behind the altar and when Father has his homily, his favorite remark is this: “We are here to love, honor, and serve Him!” and after he says this, he always turns around and points directly at the icon. This is why I really cherish and honor my Pastor. He takes part in the Right to Life group here and talks about many other topics on his radio program.

We need more priests like Fr. Bryan.
P.S. My twin brother is a priest and he talks a good homily too!

Go with God!
Edwin
 
I have yet to hear preached from the pulpit:

PERSONAL SIN
the need for FREQUENT confession
the error of homosexuality
cohabitating before marriage
sex before marriage
abortion
The Catholic church as the ONE TRUE CHURCH… and what that MEANS… during the homily for the assension, the priest actually had the NERVE to compare ISLAM…how they believe Mohammed ascended, just like Jesus did…except we believe Jesus is the son of God!..HUH??? I dont beleive Mohammed ASCENDED ANYWHERE! …and NO PRIEST should be confusing catholics that there was POSSIBLY another ASCENSION!!! :mad:

My priests are very amibiguous… they say mundane things like… “Jesus loves us…and we must love one another”… HUH??? This is cool for 3rd graders being taught about God…but adults need to be fed MEAT…not BABYFOOD… or they’ll get REALLY DEEP and say something PROFOUND like…“there are things we shouldnt do”… REALLY FATHER??? Like WHAT??? Man, if there was ONE thing I would LOVE to be able to do, and thats have the Church allow for the laity to either say the homilies or write them… the Deacons where I am at arent that great either… its all very mundane… me and my family have yet to walk out and feel like the homily was intertwined and applied with whats going on in the world today and how Gods message needs to be applied and lived in these times. 😦

Theres too much assuming on their part… too much laziness, too much fear that they may offend someone and lose $$$$ either THAT or they dont believe the teachings themselves anymore.
 
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NWUArmyROTC:
American Soldiers = Terrorists

Peter was married = so priests should be

shouldn’t call priests Father

We are the body of Christ, theological differences don’t matter
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Gods peace be with you Theophilus,

I assume this is a ‘real’ post and not a joke, so:

Point 1,

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

“Terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion”

*“Terror: 1 : a state of intense fear 2 a : one that inspires fear : scourge b : a frightening aspect c : a cause of anxiety : *worry d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT3 : reign of terror4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands ”

So your first point is wrong since the US Soldiers are none of the above! Every group has a few bad apples and if you refer to the so called ‘prisoner abuse’ it pales in comparison to sawing off some poor innocent mans head with a dull knife! I saw the video and can still hear him scream & scream & scream etc. I also saw the Daniel Pearl beheading and again, no comparison. I saw two airliners ram two buildings, and again, no comparison.

I do not think the Jews liberated by American Soldiers in WWII thought they were terrorists, do you?

As human beings we have a right to defend ourselves from those minions of Satan and his evildoers. You have a right to your opinion but I suggest you study the facts, history and the Bible.

OK, so if you need to know, I spent two years in the Air Force ROTC, 5 years in the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS (UGH-RAH!), and 16 years in the United States Army. I met –and may have been a bad apple at one time – but I never met anyone close to a terrorist.

Point 2,

Jesus was single! Was he mentally ill? Was he in violation of Gods will? Did he have problems? Why should we follow a single man (God)? I won’t start on God the Father or the Holy Spirit either! If its good enough for God should not our clergy aspire to follow in Gods footsteps?
 
Part 2,

Mt 19:3-12 “3 Some Pharisees approached him, and tested him, saying, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause whatever?” 4 He said in reply, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.” 7 They said to him, “Then why did Moses command that the man give the woman a bill of divorce and dismiss (her)?” 8 He said to them, “Because of the hardness of your hearts Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.” 10 [His] disciples said to him, “If that is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” 11 He answered, “Not all can accept [this] word, but only those to whom that is granted. 12 Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.””

Mt 19:27 “27 Then Peter said to him in reply, “We have given up everything and followed you. What will there be for us?””

Lk 5:10-11 “…“Do not be afraid; from now on you will be catching men.” 11 When they brought their boats to the shore, they left everything and followed him.”

1 Cor 7:7 “Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am {Celibate}, but each has a particular gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.”

1 Cor 7:25-38 “Now in regard to virgins, I have no commandment from the Lord, but I give my opinion as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 So this is what I think best because of the present distress: that it is a good thing for a person to remain as he is. 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek a separation. Are you free of a wife? Then do not look for a wife. 28 If you marry, however, you do not sin, nor does an unmarried woman sin if she marries; but such people will experience affliction in their earthly life, and I would like to spare you that…32 I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord. 33 But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34 and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 I am telling you this for your own benefit, not to impose a restraint upon you, but for the sake of propriety and adherence to the Lord without distraction. 36 If anyone thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, and if a critical moment has come and so it has to be, let him do as he wishes. He is committing no sin; let them get married. 37 The one who stands firm in his resolve, however, who is not under compulsion but has power over his own will, and has made up his mind to keep his virgin, will be doing well. 38 So then, the one who marries his virgin does well; the one who does not marry her will do better. ”

Should Gods clergy leave their wives as would be widows? Desert their family to dedicate their lives to God? These men have chosen to give their lives to God 100%. Even the ones who are bad I still respect for this. That goes for our Nuns and Sisters too and Brothers and all religious too! They made a commitment to God that I can only dream about in its greatness!

OK side note: the Roman Rite came out with the celibacy law about 1,000 years ago. There were married clergy before that. Due to problems with marriages and the Word as given in Scripture, the Roman Rite accepted celibacy. There are by the way over 100 active married priests in the Roman Rite today in the US alone! There are over 100,000 married Roman Rite priests in the western hemisphere they just are not active. Once a priest always a priest. The other Rites do allow married priests and they are valid and licit priests. (I only barely touched this topic and paraphrased too). By the way, I am for married priests and would accept and support them 100%! I would even become one and quit my job to do it but if the “Holy ‘Father’” says no, it means no and I accept it and support our “Holy ‘Father’” 100%. That called obedience to Scripture and God!
 
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Point 3,

God only referred to calling other gods father (like as in creator) and not men on earth. Use “context”, it is the Catholic thing to do.

Do you not have a ‘father’ or did you come from a virgin birth?:confused:

Is not George Washington the ‘father’ of the USA?

Have you ever watched Leave It To Beaver? A few years ago children were taught respect for their parents and called their ‘old man’ by ‘father’.

Did not our Church have its ‘Church Fathers’? By the way, most protestant sects call them that too? Hum, double standard?

Even St. Paul said it was OK for clergy to be called ‘father’:

1 Cor 4:14-17 “14 I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. 16 Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me.”

So, ‘Sola Scripture’ would dictate that God mandates us to call our clergy ‘father’ since Scripture is from God. God also tells us we have multiple ‘fathers’ in the above passage.👍

Point 4,

Theological differences DO MATTER!:clapping:

I believe in 1 God, many protestants do not like Mormons.

God said abortion is murder, some disobey him and say its OK! (Includes erroneous Catholics too)

Some teach Jesus is only human and not divine and was adopted by God? I believe in the Trinity!

Most sects treat ‘faith and morals’ like a ‘buffet line’ taking some of this, a little of that and leaving all of that awful stuff like one wife, one God, authority, one Church, obedience, Faith, unity, ‘Real Presence’, baptism, etc…

Faith alone in Jesus only or Faith in all of Gods Word combined with obedience to it?

Sola Scripture or Tradition (which includes Scripture since it came from Catholic Tradition) and Gods Word?

Good works or no works. Let the poor feed and cloth themselves, their parents shouldn’t have had them if they couldn’t afford them?

Go to church and help others or stay home and just ‘feel good’ cause I’m saved?

Assurance or Hope?

Theology does make a difference!:banghead:

Finally the end, Praise God!

A prisoner of Christ

PS, I wanted to say more, I hope I did not offend anyone and that was not my intention. I apologize if I did. I just wanted to get some facts straight. Some “CONTEXT”. I was offended greatly by the person who posted the above post. But as a Christian I have forgiven them and forgotten what was said.
 
I DON"T AGREE WITH WHAT I POSTED!!! BUT I HAVE HEARD IT IN HOMILIES!!! I don’t agree with it, heck, I’ve walked out before.
 
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I don’t agree with the things I posted that I have heard in homilies. Malachi gave an excellent refutation of those false claims. Sadly, I think he assumed I personally agreed with that dribble I’ve heard. I don’t. I’ve walked out of a homily because of that ****. Look at my handle, I hope I don’t think soldiers are terrorists, otherwise I am going into the wrong profession. Again, those are things I have heard in a homily, I don’t agree with them, it is liberal dissent and heterdoxy and disgusting.
 
I have two parishes now - I’m in the process of moving to another state and spend time in both places. In my parish of 12 years, I hear much about the Real Presence in the Eucharist… but not too much about the others… the pastor is ordained 36 years and a great man - a good friend of mine…

In my newer parish, I hear ALL of it! This priest is 4 years ordained - one of the “new young conservatives” and I have to say it’s wonderful and inspiring to worship with him. I feel so blessed to have found this parish and this holy priest. His reverence in celebrating the liturgy is astounding, his courage in addressing the tougher issues is refreshing. I pray daily that cynicism will never win over him.

Although I’d love to keep him to ourselves in my new little rural town, he is a valuable gift to the church and the larger church needs him (and more like him) baldly!!! There is HOPE!
 
In our small parish in this small corner of Washington State we have experienced Sunday Celebrations in the absence of a Priest. Which means lay people have led the prayers and given reflections on the readings. I did this for a while and posted most of my reflections to a website. www.willapabay.org/~ljcarney

(click on trogiah and follow the link at the bottom)

I understand that some people have real problems with the very idea of a lay person leading a service but our only other choice was to not have a service. I am interested to know what people think of these reflections.

I still being able to lead a service in this way was an experience I will treasure for the rest of my life. (I am no longer at that parish) I think many people at our parish found value in the lay presider services. (There were 3 other people who regularly gave them)

Any opinions?
 
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NWUArmyROTC:
TO ALL:

I don’t agree with the things I posted that I have heard in homilies. Malachi gave an excellent refutation of those false claims. Sadly, I think he assumed I personally agreed with that dribble I’ve heard. I don’t. I’ve walked out of a homily because of that ****. Look at my handle, I hope I don’t think soldiers are terrorists, otherwise I am going into the wrong profession. Again, those are things I have heard in a homily, I don’t agree with them, it is liberal dissent and heterdoxy and disgusting.
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Gods peace to you Theophilus,

You were right I was wrong, I did “ASSUME” you made these comments and you know what happens when we assume? I should have remembered the string? I just saw red! I did also start my repley with a question as to whether or not I had it right. I also ended it in certanty that I forgive and forget.

So, I apologize to you for the sin of “self-interpretaion” of what you said. It proves we need an authority to guide us lest we error in “self mis-ijnterpretation” that I am guilty of!

I redirect my comments I stated to the “priest” or whoever said it!

A prisoner of Christ,

Simper Fihttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

PS, Thank you for your service to our nation (I ‘assume’ your in the USA?) I shall pray for you so that God keeps you safe on your journey’s as I pray for all our soldiers and MARINE’s in harms way. I also pray for the civilians in the countries where our soldoiers operate or fall victum to terrorists. And I pray for terrorists too, just like Mel Gibson did when he prayed for the enemy with his son in the movie “We Were Soldiers Too” if you get my drift? I am still debateing right and wrong since the Holy “FATHER” said things about this war?

Dan
 
There is only one parish in my area where I have heard any of those topics…and it is regarded by many as the church the “radical traditionalists” go to.

At the other parishes? Generalities and Platitudes.
 
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Malachi4U:
Gods peace to you Theophilus,

You were right I was wrong, I did “ASSUME” you made these comments and you know what happens when we assume? I should have remembered the string? I just saw red! I did also start my repley with a question as to whether or not I had it right. I also ended it in certanty that I forgive and forget.

So, I apologize to you for the sin of “self-interpretaion” of what you said. It proves we need an authority to guide us lest we error in “self mis-ijnterpretation” that I am guilty of!

I redirect my comments I stated to the “priest” or whoever said it!

A prisoner of Christ,

Simper Fihttp://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

PS, Thank you for your service to our nation (I ‘assume’ your in the USA?) I shall pray for you so that God keeps you safe on your journey’s as I pray for all our soldiers and MARINE’s in harms way. I also pray for the civilians in the countries where our soldoiers operate or fall victum to terrorists. And I pray for terrorists too, just like Mel Gibson did when he prayed for the enemy with his son in the movie “We Were Soldiers Too” if you get my drift? I am still debateing right and wrong since the Holy “FATHER” said things about this war?

Dan
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Thank you. We all can have hair triggers, I know I do and it takes some work for me to overcome it. I am in the USA, NWU is a hint as to where I go to school. I am at about my wits end as to this Church. It is the University Catholic Center, so I want to stay involved so their is some voice for Orthodoxy, but at the same time, I don’t get a lot out of the homily.

God Bless
 
It’s really quite sad. Recently I’ve felt like I shouldn’t let some of my less-catechized friends go to Mass alone. It seems like there is *always * something heterodox or just plain insipid in our pastor’s homilies. My friends are constantly asking me to make sense of it, and as much as I hate to say it, my answer usually has to be “Just ignore him. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.” I’ll always explain the real Church teachings, but I hate taking credibility away from our pastor. It’s never pleasant to lower your Father’s reputation, even if it’s necessary to correct error.
 
I have a bit of a problem with the last poll question as phrased.

Let me explain: I am a candidate for the Order of Deacon. I have studied homiletics, and I have observed the reactions of ordinary Catholics to homilies.

Most people that I have spoken with will not be well-served by hearing “As Saint Athanasius said…” frequently. Many will tune out.

But when Athanasius’ teaching is presented to them, or Clement of Rome, or … MAN! do they eat it up!

The truth has its own attraction. It is, I suppose, important that Athansius said it. But it is more important that it is true, and that the Church says it.

As I present practice homilies in class, and present prayerful reflections at prayer services, I liberally draw upon the deposit of faith, and often in the phrases and with the examples that the Fathers used. But I don’t hit people over the head with where these things come from each time.

So when I am ordained and preaching homilies, how will people score me on this point?

Pax,
Joe Prioli

(BTW, FWIW, my pastor scores pretty well on all these points.)
 
I checked them all. I guess that’s a good sign!!!

In fact, just a few weeks ago, my pastor said: “If you don’t believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist, you need to go worship somewhere else.”

God bless,

Dave
 
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